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[X] Good for her, it sounds useful

lets not interfere any further.making her own contacts outside our group( and approved people) will be good for her,mentally. which i think is more important then marcone
 
[X] Tell her to be careful, this is the kind of thing that raises her profile and as the story itself shows, it is the kind of profile some people are liable to treat as a shooting gallery
 
DragonParadox said:
It does not take Essence-sharpened sight to see he'd really like you to argue against Tiffany getting her hooks into Marcone.
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I can't actually think of any arguments against it. Even on moral grounds. Marcone has put himself in a position where squeezing him for personal advantage doesn't feel like a moral wrong. Maybe I am missing something?
 
[X] Tell her to be careful, this is the kind of thing that raises her profile and as the story itself shows, it is the kind of profile some people are liable to treat as a shooting gallery

I want to deal with Marcone now...But it's better to put it off until we're ready. But still, I think you need to be careful...Hmm, can Lash change her face with flesh lore?
 
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Zoolimar said:
Gard will recognize her by spirit anyway. And Odin should already know about her. So it's useless.
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It's not against them. And against more mundane methods of observation. Odin, Mab and other players are unlikely to be bothered. Rather, the problem is in the Library of Congress, as stated earlier. Well, the USA as a state in general.
 
[X] Good for her, it sounds useful

Warning Tiffany to be careful is crazy when she's so much more experienced than us.
 
[X] Tell her to be careful, this is the kind of thing that raises her profile and as the story itself shows, it is the kind of profile some people are liable to treat as a shooting gallery
 
[X] Good for her, it sounds useful
-[x] If Tiffany didn't I would have to put my own hocks in the Mob boss sooner or later. I can't exactly justify him as a necessary evil when every good he does I have the resources to fill with less human suffering.

Sort of want to use IDU on him just to make sure that he is ineligible for an Exaltation if any others break loose.
 
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einargs said:
Warning Tiffany to be careful is crazy when she's so much more experienced than us.
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Tiffany is less than a year old. She has memories relevant to her original purpose but that's different from direct experience with a body of her own and consequences she'll actually have to deal with later if she screws up unlike the other shadows that seem to see themselves as temporary constructs and act with that perspective.
 
[X] Ask her not to cut deals with Marcone, it does not seem worth it
[X] Tell her to be careful, this is the kind of thing that raises her profile and as the story itself shows, it is the kind of profile some people are liable to treat as a shooting gallery
 
I think one big misunderstand that Harry is laboring under, the difference in paradigms and perspectives, is that to him Marcone is larger than himself. He is used to think of himself as a solo operative, and a private detective with limited funds and backing. Yes, he's also a warden, but he isn't thinking of himself as a representative of a global superpower. For Lash and Molly, however, Marcone is smaller than they are. More so for God-Empress Molly, I think, but Lash also has the inherent perspective of an immortal angel. Yes, he's dangerous locally, and perhaps somewhat distasteful, but in the ultimate scheme of things, he has maybe a century to live, and a single city on a single planet in a single realm to claim as his own.
 
[X] Tell her to be careful, this is the kind of thing that raises her profile and as the story itself shows, it is the kind of profile some people are liable to treat as a shooting gallery
 
Yog said:
Yes, he's dangerous locally, and perhaps somewhat distasteful, but in the ultimate scheme of things, he has maybe a century to live, and a single city on a single planet in a single realm to claim as his own.
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That probably is where a good bit of the disconnect is coming from. That and Marcone sells drugs to addicts along with facilitating other crimes that ruin lives for money.

It's important to keep in mind that the Gov(branches aware of magic, Molly's position, both and neither) probably aren't going to be looking at it this way either if they learn that one of our friends makes deals with crimelords. I'm still tempted to just warn her though because I do think that Lash needs as much power as she can reasonably get in a short time frame.
 
[x] Tell her to be careful, this is the kind of thing that raises her profile and as the story itself shows, it is the kind of profile some people are liable to treat as a shooting gallery

I do really like Yog's suggestion of slowly build up more pieces of being a primordial with our custom charms from earlier. What else would we need? I mean, other than way more power? Empowering our world soul is… probably going to be necessary, though I've no idea on how to make that balanced…
 
Nyarky said:
It really seems like the creator feared it would be too powerful and nerfed it to the ground to stop that with the *clones are bog standard mortal parts* (which is overreacting).
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Yeah.

This gave me an idea though. What if we're approaching this the wrong way?

Instead of making a new charm that wastes a slot in our new set or completely remaking the old one, what if we made it a charm synergy thing?

ExWoD doesn't do prerequisites, but it does let charms interact in a high gain way.

For a house rule example of this we have that thing with MHM and TTC letting us build city sized domes when used together.

I don't want to get too cheesy, but making a charm that does something related to a soul hierarchy that has the synergy effect of making a very narrow correction to the base charm (in conjunction with the existing house rules DP has set) could work.

Keeping it limited to what can be justified as charm interactions puts a cap on how much we can break the charm, and is interesting on a narrative level because it makes the process of developing a soul hierarchy one of taking a crippled Yozi thing and making it more when Molly grows into something new based on what she's taken from the hells.

Maybe something like a custom multi action charm*? It has to be something that stands on its own or it'd feel like cheating and in all likelihood rightfully get shot down by DP.


* Or that dice adder I wrote. Molly learns to balance between the pillars of her soul and dance between them, then to split and embody all of them at once in a very literal way.

Supposing we did that to fix the issue and make it mechanically simple we could set the synergy up so that they get to use any charm based power that doesn't cost essence or can have its essence cost paid in willpower. To represent they're part of Molly and take on inherent qualities of their greater self, but are as different from the rest of her as your nose is from your hand.

In the specific case of FPOR it'd be neat to also let each of them be locked to a different city's buff too, but be allowed to positively interact with her in the confines of those abilities.

No excellency, but still good assistants.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Yeah.

This gave me an idea though. What if we're approaching this the wrong way?

Instead of making a new charm that wastes a slot in our new set or completely remaking the old one, what if we made it a charm synergy thing?

ExWoD doesn't do prerequisites, but it does let charms interact in a high gain way.

For a house rule example of this we have that thing with MHM and TTC letting us build city sized domes when used together.

I don't want to get too cheesy, but making a charm that does something related to a soul hierarchy that has the synergy effect of making a very narrow correction to the base charm (in conjunction with the existing house rules DP has set) could work.

Keeping it limited to what can be justified as charm interactions puts a cap on how much we can break the charm, and is interesting on a narrative level because it makes the process of developing a soul hierarchy one of taking a crippled Yozi thing and making it more when Molly grows into something new based on what she's taken from the hells.

Maybe something like a custom multi action charm*? It has to be something that stands on its own or it'd feel like cheating and in all likelihood rightfully get shot down by DP.


* Or that dice adder I wrote. Molly learns to balance between the pillars of her soul and dance between them, then to split and embody all of them at once in a very literal way.

Supposing we did that to fix the issue and make it mechanically simple we could set the synergy up so that they get to use any charm based power that doesn't cost essence or can have its essence cost paid in willpower. To represent they're part of Molly and take on inherent qualities of their greater self, but are as different from the rest of her as your nose is from your hand.

In the specific case of FPOR it'd be neat to also let each of them be locked to a different city's buff too, but be allowed to positively interact with her in the confines of those abilities.

No excellency, but still good assistants.
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I mean, if we are allowed to apply IDU, Latter Day Devil Implants, Magnanimous Warding Glyph to clones, the synergy is already there. Yes, it becomes even more expensive, XP-wise, but it's there.
 
@Yog
Did you see my alternative for the Clone charm?
It doesn't do everything we want it to do, but some of it.

And it's sufficiently different that I don't feel like we are just modifying a canon charm to suit a particular PC better, which I think is weird for Infernal Charms.
 
Artemis1992 said:
@Yog
Did you see my alternative for the Clone charm?
It doesn't do everything we want it to do, but some of it.

And it's sufficiently different that I don't feel like we are just modifying a canon charm to suit a particular PC better, which I think is weird for Infernal Charms.
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Interesting idea. We only get one clone, we can't actually ever meet them, it's co-location... Yeah, that's an interesting option.
 
[Stunt]"Marcone is a mobster seems only fair to give him an offer he can't refuse."

Should we offer Tiffany a bit of backup muscle? A tough looking body guards on both sides of her would complement her image nicely.
 
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[X] Tell her to be careful, this is the kind of thing that raises her profile and as the story itself shows, it is the kind of profile some people are liable to treat as a shooting gallery
 
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