Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

No it is not. It really isnt.
Being given permission to handle a problem is NOT the same thing as doing so, and then presuming to set national policy for another nationstate equivalent.We certainly did not give any orders in Winter or in Summer.

If we even thought about trying this in Avalon without Titania's permission we'd have been stuffed in a straitjacket and booted back to Earth. At best.
If it was half an hour away from Outer Gates opening in Avalon, and Titania was imprisoned or compromised, hell yes, we would have stormed Avalon. And Titania, after we rescued her and murdered the heck out of her followers, would have been magically obligated to thank us and give us a boon.

We have saved Sin Eater's life. Don't forget that. We have also prevented it from failing in his magically bound duties. It owes us, and owes us big.
 
If it was half an hour away from Outer Gates opening in Avalon, and Titania was imprisoned or compromised, hell yes, we would have stormed Avalon. And Titania, after we rescued her and murdered the heck out of her followers, would have been magically obligated to thank us and give us a boon.

In fact, I am not even sure she wouldn't have been truly thankful in that case, as long as we didn't break too much on the way.

She still would owe us no matter what.
 
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1)QM has addressed this.


2) Im not so sure that the Red Court would be willing to take a public L here at the hands of an enemy. Especially given the questionable sanity of the Red King. Hence I'd rather have the Freeholding Lord do it.
He has the right and indeed the responsibility.



3)Of course its a courtroom. There may be no judiciary, but its still
The supernatural has very long memories about this sort of thing, and it doesnt really decay off your social credit report.

And yes, people cite precedent about this sort of thing; when Iku Turso came to play in Avalon, Titania's initial appeal was to custom and precedent, not to pure might.
Even though she did have the pure might.



4)I've expressed my opinion about this at length previously.

Subverting a supernatural truce in order to go after a personal and corporate enemy is not in our longterm interests, or that of Creation That Is. And it actively impairs our ability to defend against the existential threat the Outsiders represent, because it means that it will make destro factions impede us next time instead of aid, or at least not impede..

Its not like the Red Court wont give us plenty of excuse to murder them in the future.
1) where and how, I don't see anything in a quick search that seems relevant.

2) I don't care what he wants, but what he can do. His resources aren't infinite and the wizards aren't a joke. None of the other powers want someone to make this their problem, and so will be reluctant to cooperate or passively support any trouble caused here.

If he does commit forces here that's a good thing; it's an opportunity to murder someone he needs or burn down something he's relying on. If not in his invasion group then in wherever he pulls them from.

3) When the red court kills or drives out all the wizards in a city they don't seem worried about any of this, not even when they're using chemical weapons on hospitals full of innocent people. Nor do any of the signatories that attack Harry at various times.

If there's any court here it's one that takes "but your Honor, I won that fight" as justification for anything short of breaking your word.

And no, Titania's first words to him are effectively "begone bitch, or I will make you":
In one swift shocking motion he bites though the gag, teeth snapping, jaw grinding unnaturally and through bloody lips proclaims: "Heee's Baack!"

The waters of the lake, the waters of Avalon turn darker, frothing churning and in the eye of the cyclone they go black as shouts of alarm and anger rise from the watching faerie folk. A familiar shadow is cast among your thoughts, Iku Turso now returning... with more than his arm.

In the midst of her host Titania burns defiant as phoenix fire and where the light touches knight or sprite, dryad or nymph all are now arrayed for war. "Begone wretch, your time is done! To the darkness that is yours be return or be consigned in in fire and sword!"

"I... challenge... the proud-poisonous... heir. Thief-of-Dreams I name her... and... craven... to hide... behind the.... Herald-Sword-Love..." He does not rise, as a mountain from the sea, but more it seems to you the very waters of this place recoil from his impossible mass, thousand-headed, thousand-horned, father of plague, bringer of ruin.

For just a moment Titania pauses as she looks to you, the question in her eyes obvious: 'Do you want to do this?'
She stops to check if we want to fight personally because he did insult us and she wasn't obligated to stop us from answering personally.

4) The red court did that here though. They have to pick a lane; if they want to make a claim they have to take some amount of responsibility.

We got sent in on a personal revenge mission and by coincidence found the last stages of the plot going down. Part of that's the power of plot, and it's possible Uriel would have gotten it if we hadn't, but as it stands right now no one was tracking that this was going down outside the city or would have been positioned to stop it in time.

The dragon/red court almost destroyed the US, probably most of their core territory in Mexico, and set something off that would have toppled most of the remaining governments/supernatural factions in the area.

If we swept the city of Whamps, wyldfey, and assorted predators that'd be one thing, but kicking out the guys who almost got everyone killed on the basis of "I don't care if you're suicidally incompetent or simply have a weakness for tentacles, your standing near the hole in reality privileges are revoked" seems like a very uncontroversial move.

If anything the part where they're connected to the guy who almost killed a majority of the people they share borders with and screwed the rest over for the next few centuries is something they'd want to avoid drawing attention to.

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Arc 11 Post 99: The Plays of Power
The Plays of Power

13th of January 2007 A.D.

Tempted as you might be to ask more questions, you're always tempted to ask more, the same caution that has stayed your wandering eyes in the company of fairy queens does so now. Without knowing the nature of the Ferryman, the scope of his power a question carelessly asked could spark a fight all of your company is poorly suited to engaging in or worse, much worse perhaps, you turn a sketchy ally into a foe who will remember and work against you from the shadows.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 7/15 (Etiquette Excellency)

"Alright," you nod slowly. "You have my thanks for the helping hand extended and if one might be so bold as to say so for knowing that there was some plan in the works to deal with this madness that did not count upon us strangers swept in my a cold wind."

A bow of the hooded head is his only answer, acknowledgement, respect, understanding, all three together? It is still maddeningly difficult to read, but at the very least more positive than negative.

If things weren't quite so dire perhaps you would have pondered more, but the hourglass still turns and the guardian spirit still lurks, unseen but heard.

"I am guessing we need a new 'Dragon', for the record that is a very bad name for it, someone more deserving of it might get offended, before midnight."

"Wouldn't it be nice to reign and to decide whatever there's attracting you will give its due to you. Let me be there. Just say you want to share
a power no one will withstand. Just be my human hand," the voice of the spirit is only static-y. Where have I heard that before? The answer a moment's pause gives you is classic German death metal. That is King for a Thousand Years, came out two years ago, good to know the ancient Sin Eater is keeping up with the times you guess.

"What me?" You drop out of the formal register as though in shock really more to punctuate the refusal. Your plans for the future may be in flux, but one thing you will definitely not be doing is setting down roots in Las Vegas like a flashier Tom Bombadil to hold the door.

The only answer to that is a off pitch guitar riff which you are going to interpret as 'well duh', just because it's funnier than the more polite versions. You might, conceivably, be getting a little loopy. "Do you have someone in mind to take up the mantle?"

"Wages of sin is death..." the truncated verse is followed by a distant gunshot.

"Oh, you mean you want your next hand on the living world to be someone who saw what became of the this one so they would not be tempted to do the same?"

Tiffany offers a firm nod while Harry gives you a funny look.

"What? It's obviously not going to see the kinds of sins that are intrinsic to its being as bad. So that leaves the sin of treachery ended with death. In the context of the question that means it wants to select someone who saw what became of Samuel did you say his name was?" You glance at the Ferryman, taking his silence for assent. "One of... us."

Adkin speaks in the measured cadences of someone who probably studied rhetoric in school. "I was bid to gather the people of Ra and bring them to this city of the worldly under which an otherworldly beast slumbered. I was called forth to see that the sun might shine over the land once more. My luck and skill, fortitude and courage the hand of night has been stayed and so no new sun shall rise. I am willing to take up the mantle spirit so long as you understand that my oaths to you shall come second to older and deeper vows of the heart."

"We are king for a a thousand years. We are king of a million tears," Back to lyrics from the song, that is a yes then.

"Harry I'm going to assume..." The ever bold and heroic warden in question is presently too busy half-cursing among other things Outsiders, the city of Las Vegas, the Old Ones and the Red Court in general, only half-because he always stopped short. A wizard's words have power and they aught not be lightly spoken.

"I'll be sticking with you Molly," Lydia offers. "No offense to anyone to whom this is hearth and home, but I am not looking forward to trying to track down the slot machine that twists the heads of its players in more than the usual way."

Tiffany raises one perfect eyebrow above an eye still glowing. "There's nothing here to catch my eye or bend my ear towards that I have not heard a thousand times before. Each sin might be unique in perpetrator and circumstance, but so does each snowflake have its own design and rare is the one who would spend eternity counting them. I'd grow bored inside a week."

"I..." Harrowmont sheathes the sword he had still been holding listlessly by his side. "I was about as good as an underwater hairdrier in the fight, but with such powers as investiture might bring I would put all my knowledge and all my skill in making sure nothing like this ever happens again." If someone had told you twelve hours ago that you'd be seriously considering Alexander Harrowmont for all practical purposes the Freeholding Lord of Las Vegas you'd have had a good laugh, but it had been his idea to enact a counter-ritual and upon the bones of his prodigious knowledge of the arcane had it been built. At the last he had been the one to resist the Sandra's poison words. All he really lacks is power and the Sin Eater gorged with the sins of Sin City is more than able to offer that.

Charon nods once without speaking. He is certainly competent, but you know less of him than you do the others and what you do know is murky in the telling. Even in the best of lights he had planned treachery against the Samuel.

"What about your people?" Lydia asks as the people in question bring out everything from clothes to electronics to bundles of cash and, again bags of suspicious white powder. What is it with the Red Court and paying its people in coke?

Discordant piano like someone had smashed his head into the keyboard is the answer. No off-worlders then, or maybe it's sumpler than that. Each Agent of the Hand is bonded to their implants as closely as a man and their shadow. Few bonds of power can touch upon a soul so carefully balanced between so many Sutras.

Yet, oddly enough, it still falls the party of out-of-towners to decide, not through any political machinations, but just because none of you are planning to make a play for the mantle.

Who do you support for the next 'Dragon'?

[] Oliver Adkin

[] Alexander Harrowmont

[] Charon

[] Try to get the Sin Eater to accept another candidate
-[] Write in

[] Do not express support one way or another


OOC: Here is your chance to put your finger on the scale if you wish.
 
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[X] Alexander Harrowmont

The man's well suited for it, especially this kind of macro level "Sit on a god damn apocalypse and keep it from blowing up" routine. He's a good guy, strong sense of ethics, unattached to any extant power, but one who we're associated with and who can likely be considered an agreeable ally among the others. His relative vulnerability in a 1v1 fite me environment is something we can work on, and as a human who's also a Citizen of the United States, the Library of Congress will also consider him a desirable person in charge of the spooky side of Vegas.

All in all, it looks like it's a good fit--he's got the hard shit on lock, and the rest is something we can work on.
 
The man's well suited for it, especially this kind of macro level "Sit on a god damn apocalypse and keep it from blowing up" routine. He's a good guy, strong sense of ethics, unattached to any extant power, but one who we're associated with and who can likely be considered an agreeable ally among the others. His relative vulnerability in a 1v1 fite me environment is something we can work on, and as a human who's also a Citizen of the United States, the Library of Congress will also consider him a desirable person in charge of the spooky side of Vegas.
Adkins would have the Ra-Bot defending him though.
That's probably the biggest beatstick left in the city.

Until Alex her learns to use his power he'll be vulnerable.
 
Adkins would have the Ra-Bot defending him though.
That's probably the biggest beatstick left in the city.

Until Alex her learns to use his power he'll be vulnerable.

Yes, but that's something we can mitigate with a protection detail. We already saw that our dudes shred anything that isn't Straight Up Immune to The Weapons Of This Universe.
 
Yes, but that's something we can mitigate with a protection detail. We already saw that our dudes shred anything that isn't Straight Up Immune to The Weapons Of This Universe.

In the interests of you guys knowing everything Molly knows they are not quite that good. A wizard could raise a ward against it, anything with really good regeneration like a loup garou would be able to shrug it off etc... It is magical radiation fire on tap.
 
Yes, but that's something we can mitigate with a protection detail. We already saw that our dudes shred anything that isn't Straight Up Immune to The Weapons Of This Universe.
True.

I wouldn't put them up against Reds 1v1, but if Harrowmont plays his cards right he can have some serious allies besides that.
Arlene would be in, if works with her to take the human trafficking of the Vegas-menu.
Tommy might cooperate in common opposition to the Red Court and as a business-partnership.
Adkins at least won't make trouble.

And as you said the Library should be fine with him, and through that Silk as the most senior Mage left in the city could help him a bit.

[X] Alexander Harrowmont
 
Does it need to be a single person, or could Adkin and Harrowmont share the power and responsibility?
 
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[X] Alexander Harrowmont

As he said, the thing he lacks is power. He's already local, which is good, he's human, which is also a benefit here, and he has extensive knowledge of the arcane.
 
[X] Alexander Harrowmont

I kind of want Harrowmont to make a Pact with Tiffany, which is less likely if he's getting his Investments elsewhere. On the other hand, it's hardly fair to him to vote against him just because we need more Faith, and he's a decent fit for the job.
 
[X] Alexander Harrowmont

Alexander Harrowmont
Alexander Harrowmont he's not going to throw away his shot and he's going to remember who got him that shot in the first place.
 
Harry I'm going to assume..." The ever bold and heroic warden in question is presently too busy half-cursing among other things Outsiders, the city of Las Vegas, the Old Ones and the Red Court in general, only half-because he always stopped short. A wizard's words have power and they aught not be lightly spoken.
Harry do you want vast cosmic power?

"Gosh dang this frikking heckhole of a city"

I'll take that as a no.
 
[X] Alexander Harrowmont

I want someone more plugged in to the mortal side of things because this smells like a golden opportunity to start on making them actually matter in their own right, but he's a good compromise option because he can still form those connections and isn't wholly an outsider to the current order of the supernatural.

In terms of his effectiveness, consider how hard he's had to work and how finely he's needed to measure out each drop of power to make things work. Taking those lessons to a greater supply of power could get really scary even without our help.

A good thaumaturgist with juice and a claim to enforce over a city? He doesn't need to shoot fire at you, he'll trigger 1d4 of whatever rituals he leaves hanging over the area and ask you to save or die that many times in a row.

I do think we should make that item I keep bringing up for him though. Set up a deal for endless (but not infinite) power in exchange for integrating the Library into the ordering of the city or something like that.
 
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