Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I mean in that case what's stopping us from just going into the Five Courts? Only takes a second.
There's a whole play-counter play cycle here that's probably not worth getting into. We couldn't render Ebenezer harmless with one trick for various reasons, and the whole thing would be as pointless as it was dangerous.

Thankfully we're not lying, so we shouldn't need to actually deal with it
 
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[X] Oliver Adkin

His willingness to outright state that he will put the Sin Eater second to his morality wins my vote. Someone willing to work with yet still say no to the Sin Eater sounds good. Him having other existing ties helps to me.


Yeah. I'm with you there.
To his faith in a slightly defective god-bot he mistook for an entirely different entity. He's a good guy and I see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure that's the attachment we want.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but some sort of mortal authority getting real power out of this would be very nice.

Harrowmont is unattached right now, which means he's leaning on us and other people he trusts. So we can potentially arrange for the city of Las Vegas and the power that comes with it working for mortals instead of simply using them up.

Remember that Samuel insulted Winter as a corporate entity and Mab in particular by banning them from the city and then ignoring them.

Fey in general and powerful Sidhe in particular are drama queens; there aren't many better ways to press their "make an example worth adding to volume two of the Brothers Grimm Faerie Tales" button. Insult them if you must, but for the love of god and your own good health do not make the people for whom narrativium is an essential nutrient feel dismissed.

We got a specific request not to knock over his sand castle if we didn't need to instead.

By contrast mortal governments are essentially like herds of bison to people with elephant guns from the perspective of the supernatural. Hunt as you please, but a stampede would suck so don't be stupid about it.

To twist this metaphor to the breaking point; if the sheriff switches from riding a horse to a bison, and the herd starts becoming part of the local law enforcement landscape trying to run them out of town because you don't like seeing them on Main Street becomes a chancier proposition.

I'm pinning a lot to the Library being trustworthy and competent as far as government agencies go, which is a consideration that shouldn't be overlooked. Just look at the CIA for details on how that could go wrong. However, despite that fact, they're the best we've got and everything needs to start somewhere. If we can make something work here I think we should, and Adkin's religious priorities divide his loyalties in a way that make him a worse pick for that sort of cooperation.


If a satellite was going to fall on us we'd teleport to the FC lol.
What DP said, but also that McCoy isn't stupid. If he wanted to kill Molly being able to counter one trick wouldn't be enough to make him stop, and he wouldn't let up the pressure once he started.
 
Arc 11 Post 100: On the March
On the March

13th of January 2007 A.D.

It is a bit awkward to be pressed into a decision like this unbidden still dressed for war, the head of the 'Dragon'-Who-Was at your feet. But with that thing whirring in the background you can understand the urgency. You glance at the others for a sign, but Lydia is the only one to catch your gaze while Harry grits his teeth against the pain of Tiffany's probing fingers and she is busy with said healing. Guess that makes it my call, yay... the thought does not end on as sarcastic a tone as it had started, there's a part of you that enjoys being the one to give the nod, like the Pope crowning kings of old.

"I think someone without prior commitments would work out best for Vegas," you give the nod to the scholar, keenly aware of the first impression he'd given both you and Lash, a Black Friday sale on souls. Hope he stays bought.

Neither Charon or Adkin seem overly troubled by the proclamation, but then one of them they are both old hands at playing the game. No sense being seem as a sore loser when you can profit from the new regime.

It starts not with lyrics but with music that fills the reservoir where Orpheus once dwelt, so loud that you wonder if they can hear it from the surface, an urban legends in years to come. This are the echoes twisted back upon themselves and transmuted into the roar of cheering crowds, the glory and the power, intoxicating might a million sins deep.



As Alexander Harrowmont steps towards the double vortex at the center of the center of the reservoir the music shifts flowing backwards through the ages. Only senses sharpened the better to detect treachery allow you to hear the handful of familiar notes from Elvis to Jazz before that to the kind of songs that cowboys might have sung out on the range. All the rest of it is as unfamiliar to your ear as the sight of the Valley must have been to the settlers coming up from the south or riding east from the coast, the voices of people passed out of knowing save perhaps for a few shards of pottery or a style of flint-knapping yet without whom half the continent would not have been livable. What had it cost them? you wonder, but for once feel no urge to ask and peer through eyes of flame.

For a moment the scholar looks distracted, like there is something int he music only he can hear, then he plunges his hands into the blackness despite the shouts and gasps from everyone beside Harry who still isn't paying much attention and you... because you stopped breathing. Idiot what was he...?

The music dies and from Harrowmont's bloodless lips a proclamation issues: "Three things I vow above all wants and desires: to hold the gate, to keep the peace and feed the hunger everlasting!"

To perhaps even his own surprise judging from his expression draws back his hands to find them unharmed.

A show of greater loyalty? you wonder, before Tiffany confirms it snipping good-naturedly, for her at least: "One hand would have been enough you know."

"I... I wanted to be sure." That is as far as he gets before the cauldron at the lower point of the opening explodes into splinters of black iron screaming though the air at supersonic speed.

Essence it already half shaped to catch and hold them in your mind, when you realize what this is, a test, a chance to show the power he had been given. You do not hear his fingers snap, even your hearing isn't that precise, but you see the motion and you definitely see the pieces shifting in mid air, like a swarm of black butterflies shifting their course to sail over under and between you.

"It worked... it actually bloody worked! I can't believe it, I mean I can, I mean..." Harrowmont wipes brushes some dust off his trousers, not that he makes much of a dent, but it's enough to regain his composure. "Alright I've been anointed by the spirit of the land. Yet I cannot help but think that king sounds more compelling in song than common speech and I do not think Dragon suits me, even without taking into account the failings of the one who bore it before. Marquis would be appropriate given my new duties, but it is a touch continental for my taste. Marcher Lord perhaps? Yes that rolls off the tongue better, I shall be the Marcher Lord of Las Vegas."

Lydia makes a face, but he does not seem to notice it. That's where you heard the title before, on that documentary about the piecemeal conquest of Wales.

"Now, having decided what I shall be adressed as, let's see if I can keep my title and my head for more than a day," he continues with a rueful smile that makes your doubts recede a bit. "From my understanding the city is faced with three major concerns at present: the anti-terrorist state of emergency and the presence of mortal authorities, the power vacuum left by the destruction of my predecessor and his most loyal followers and, one assumes, every greater power being poised to invade. Whatever delaying tactics our common foes have seen fit to make use of to prevent outside players stopping this abominable act if would be too much to hope that they would be so considerate as to continue to shied Vegas until I have my feet. Ladies, gentlemen, elder," he nods in the direction of the still silent Charon. "I am open to any counsel you may be inclined to share."

In the silence that follows you can distinctly hear Harry whisper to Tiffany: "You know I think the pain is getting worse. Can you just knock me out now?"

What counsel does Molly offer to the new Marcher Lord of Las Vegas?

[] Remove the last of the Red Court as a show of strength
-[] Exile
-[] Death

[] Meet with representatives from the Library of Congress in person

[] Make use of Arlene's skills to start unwinding the human trafficking in the city, that stream of power can be compensated for

[] Write in


OOC: And with that we are almost wrapped up here. Technically Molly and Co could leave right now, but I am not expecting you guys to do so without at least a bit more wheeling and dealing.
 
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but someone needs to fry for that and even if this particular incident wasn't their fault they shouldn't have had access to any of that shit to point Sandra at in the first place.

I don't want them brought up on charges for what they did while mind controlled, but there's plenty of jail time to be had for the act of smuggling anti-tank weapons to sell to the highest bidder and killing people for money entirely independent of that.
Why?
The supernatural world doesnt especially care about mortal property crimes, and the Feds have a bunch of conveniently dead scapegoats. And its not the first time we have had to overlook major crimes in the interests of supernatural security.

Besides, with our ongoing attempts to engineer a withdrawal of the Red Court from the Las Vegas area? Removing both the Red Court and the Shadow Killers guarantees a power vacuum in Vegas, especially in the aftermath of Sandra's machinations over the last several months.

A newbie Dragon can use all the help he can get.
Stabilizing Las Vegas is of way more importance to us, and to both the mortal and supernatural worlds than retributive justice over grand larceny.
No, because telling Dresden is stupid.
At this point in the series his poker face isn't great and he made a series of emotionally charged bad calls because he couldn't keep it together on this one.

Tell Ebenezer. DP point blank told us he's take it seriously, and as a senior council member he's better positioned to do so. Since we won't tell him where we got the list he'll also prepare to kill us if we're lying, but it's the truth and with more foci we could provide the directions to hard evidence as needed. He's a materially better choice by pretty much every metric.
I do agree about Dresden's poker face, or lack thereof. But I dont agree about Ebenezar.

Dont get me wrong: I like Ebenezar McCoy. However, I dont trust the Blackstaff with our secrets.
Especially since he is canonically one of the people that Simon Peabody has been nudging with his mind-control/mind-influencing inks for the last several years, since he was elected to the Senior Council in Summer Knight.

Not as long as Langtry and the other Senior Council members, but its still been five years. While allegedly you cant control an old wizard, you can influence them, and we dont know how much influencing has gone on.

I mean, despite prior warning he fumbled the arrest of Peabody in canon, which should have been a gimme for a senior combat wizard with prior warning of the suspect's identity.
I dont really think its wise to let him know.
If we give him an unsupported list he'll check the people on it and kill people he's known for centuries if they come back dirty. The balance for that is that if he ends up thinking we're trying to set him up we might need a perfect defense to hang out anywhere reachable from orbit.
Dude canonically fumbled this issue in canon after it was basically giftwrapped for him.
And he has a tolerance for collateral levels that Im frankly unwilling to risk him pointing at Molly, not necessarily because of her, but because of her loved ones.
 
Hmm kingdom building is certain to be... a thing.

On the other hand does he NEED to have a kingdom? Or just enough knowledge and power to keep the gate held shut?

Playing to his own strengths strikes me as wiser than trying to become god emperor or something.
 
o_O
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Ugh.
He should have kept Dragon.
Marcher Lord is WAY worse as a pretentious title and fails to meet the requirements of being something that is short, snappy and rolls off the tongue for most people.
I imagine people who want snappy will round it off to Marquess/Marquis, which is sorta the same title after some linguistic drift.
 
The man literally cultivated a fake English accent for the entirety of his adult life. If you did not want pretentious he's really not the best pick.

There's worse problems to have than Pretentiousness. If the worst of this guy is that he's got a vibe he wants to cultivate that's deeply cringe, but is otherwise clean, you hold your nose and restrain your reflexes.
 
Hm. Perhaps we should leave some loyal servants behind in the city when we leave. Just in case.

I think we should offer to lend him some FFC sorcerers and bodyguards. They can support him while also learning about Earth, and encourage him to learn how to summon our devils.

He's relatively weak and lacking in allies. Now's the time to turn him into a client.
 
[X] Plan Friends, Foes, and Funds
-[X] Empathy, Leadership excellency to sell your suggestions
-[X] Remove the last of the Red Court as a show of strength
--[X] Exile
--[X] Seize what he can from at least those that helped Dragon in his betrayal, he'll need an operating budget
-[X] Make use of Arlene's skills to start unwinding the human trafficking in the city, that stream of power can be compensated for
--[X] Use that to get her to ally with him
-[X] Deal with human time bombs still walking the streets of Vegas
--[X] Saving them will help him get their allegianc
-[X] Meet with representatives from the Library of Congress in person
--[X] Sell them on helping him on the basis that he's human, and they are also interested in not having a quarter of the continent explode
-[X] Talk to White Council - given their war with Red Court, they can be a useful ally
--[X] But maybe delay until he consolidated power at least, and secure communications can be arranged
-[X] You are ready to help with all of those.
--[X] You hope he will become a valuable ally in defense of Creation, but you won't say no to a percentage of the loot
--[X] Molly recuperates essence using RVD whenever we have privacy


Something like that, I think.
 
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Hm. Perhaps we should leave some loyal servants behind in the city when we leave. Just in case.
Why? Not our city. Not our place of authority.

Furthermore, doing so is basically asking for one of our many, many enemies to hit them.
I am pretty sure that the Red Court, or the Denarians, or a rep for a Yama King, would love to get one of our operatives in a quiet room and literally peel their skin off them until they say everything they know about us.

Even neutral factions are interested in filling out their dossier on us and on Sanctuary.
I dont see why we'd want to make it easy.
I imagine people who want snappy will round it off to Marquess/Marquis, which is sorta the same title after some linguistic drift.
Yeah, fair.
 
My first instinct is that it might be best to clear out the rest of the Red Court as us, without biasing any powers against this new organization. On the other hand, it might be more important to demonstrate power and decisiveness than any specific action. It's very reasonable to go after the red court for something like this, and it's important to establish a reputation.

As a mortal it makes a lot of sense for him to get buddy buddy with the library.

I'm hoping we can keep an influence on this organization, whether by lending agents or through other support. Both because I think we should really keep an eye on Harrow and make sure he stays bought by us, and because I love organization building.
 
Hmm kingdom building is certain to be... a thing.
On the other hand does he NEED to have a kingdom? Or just enough knowledge and power to keep the gate held shut?
Playing to his own strengths strikes me as wiser than trying to become god emperor or something.
Yes he does. You dont run a city without an organization. Even criminals built organizations.
You need trusted representatives, you need intelligence gathering, sometimes you need goons just to warn people off, and you WILL need armed backup in the Dresdenverse.

Try to do it all yourself and you'll either die of stress, or eat a sniper bullet, or a car bomb.
My first instinct is that it might be best to clear out the rest of the Red Court as us, without biasing any powers against this new organization. On the other hand, it might be more important to demonstrate power and decisiveness than any specific action. It's very reasonable to go after the red court for something like this, and it's important to establish a reputation.
His city now.
He kinda has to do that sort of thing on his own, or at least in his person, if he's going to project the strength that will deter other people from testing him.

And he cant really afford outsiders setting policy in his city.
 
Yes he does. You dont run a city without an organization. Even criminals built organizations.
...Is he the mayor now?

I get all of that, what im asking is does he need to be in charge of the city now. I suppose trying to be a player is wiser than letting people with organizations backing them up mess with him.
 
...Is he the mayor now?

I get all of that, what im asking is does he need to be in charge of the city now. I suppose trying to be a player is wiser than letting people with organizations backing them up mess with him.

More like the Fisher King, what with being bound to the land and preserving it against destruction (by feeding the dark spirit that slumbers beneath people's feet).
 
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