Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that she has superhuman control of her magic? Because the archive is human.
Fair point, she can do things that are utterly beyond the norm of mortal wizards is the point.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that she has superhuman control of her magic? Because the archive is human.
1) Not you specifically, and I apologize if I caused offense.You don't need to remind me that they have supernatural senses. Not acknowledging that in our presentation by going full mortal seems unwise in its own way.
I think @Kemayo had the right idea about signifiers. Maybe instead of using the Archive's fashion we should slip off to the FCF and get some business wear from there. Add a few feathers from alien birds,
Maybe a hint from each city somewhere if we can do it without making something too busy.
Because you're failing to address the other parts of my post. This is as much about what Molly wants to become as what she actually is, and there are benefits to being acknowledged as more than her mortal identity to go with the costs.
A balance between the two is the sort of riddle the fey love and treats this as something of real importance. Managing Titania's reaction will be a delicate task either way, but we're paying a premium for help with exactly that. We don't need or benefit from minimizing Molly when she's in the process of putting herself under extraordinary scrutiny anyway.
1)The authority is ourself and us doing it in her presence.Counter-arguments:
1) We need to have some manner of authority behind us in order to sell the exorcism
2) As a queen of our own realm, and a great one at that, we are much less of a threat in terms of trying to exploit Lily for our own gain
"Shed kibid," Tiffany mutters, curses under her breath. When Harry looks at her funny she just says something about the Sumerian having more satisfying profanity than English before explaining the reason for it. "The less one of the Tuath Dé is subsumed by their fae nature the more they seek their own agenda. Among the ruling nobility this often manifests as ambition, not being content with the power they have. So put yourselves in the Summer Queen's doubtless dazzling shoes. Someone engenders greater ambition in the Lady with whom you are already in conflict while calling out high nobles in good standing as agents of Corruption. If you remove them then who would be in the best position to knock the crown off your head if not the one the narrative of the court says should be your successor. The fact that you are associated with the man who killed her daughter and who is uncommonly close with the new Summer Lady does not help."
"I don't..." you start, but she cuts you off.
"Suspicion, dread, paranoia, all these are emotions too." The words have the ring of truth, hard to swallow though it might be. "My suggestion would be to find someone whom Titania already trusts and get them to carry the message about the infestation. Then offer that charm, it will make you seem presciently mercenary rather than treacherous which would probably match her first impression of your aura."
"First impression?" you ask exasperated. "I can talk to her about this."
Let me put it this way.What about a Green Sunflower? That might give them something to chew on.
It's not mind magic based on the fluff, it's fate weaving bullshit.Gleaming Reputation (3 pt. Root Element)
The Splendor blesses the target with positive notoriety. Upon summoning the Splendor, roll
Charisma + Expression against difficulty 6. Each success grants the target one dot of Fame or
Influence. If used in an Adornment, the user chooses how to divide the dots as she likes. If used
in a Fascination, the distribution of dots is determined when the Splendor is conjured (and can be
set to be either static or contextual). This cannot give the target more total dots of either
Background than the Splendor's rating.
If the Splendor is a Fascination, these dots last for one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for a
3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor. The
Fascination can dictate, broadly, what sort of Influence its targets gain (either over a pre-
specified thing, or the granted Influence can be contextual), but what they might gain Fame for is
beyond the Splendor's control
I'm not condemning them for defending themselves, but the lack of nuance is noteworthy.In fairness it's kinda needed to be able to kill them even if it's somewhat hypocritical.
I'm sold on the new vote.I think I'll change my vote, because there is some merit to what Uju is saying. How about this:
[] As all of them at once, reflected in the eyes of beholder: jeans a t-shirt, yes, but a shirt of finesttokatlispider silk and in a latest fashion trend of the city of fountains, a pait of emerald earrings in the shape of your mark blazing in your ears, and your sword on your belt
-[] Roll occult excellency to see how fashion, math, poetry and spiders are similar.
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Counter-arguments:
1) We need to have some manner of authority behind us in order to sell the exorcism
2) As a queen of our own realm, and a great one at that, we are much less of a threat in terms of trying to exploit Lily for our own gain
Yeah while the laws do have actual affects on wizards it's notable that it's more nuanced than the council says. Since well their not taking chances.When we get around to making splendors for ourselves we should consider this:
It's not mind magic based on the fluff, it's fate weaving bullshit.
Elements that don't provide strong synergies the way Sacred Protection or Sovereign Elemental Sway do aren't my favorites, but the ability to buff our reputation before trying touchy social stuff would be great.
I'm not condemning them for defending themselves, but the lack of nuance is noteworthy.
To an extent there is a grey zone to many of the laws, but the council is only interested in being heavily punitive when it comes to human stuff as opposed to taking a more abstract moral stance.
When the red court sent ghouls after the warden training camp and killed some of the trainees in front of Dresden he killed any he could get his hands on. When the raid ended he took a survivor who was no longer able to cause him harm and tortured him; doing shit like somehow lighting all the fat in the guy's body on fire.
That wasn't self defense by lethal force, it was revenge by torture. They eventually made him stop, but no one cared enough to do anything of substance about it.
Not saying he necessarily deserves death, but that was a really fucked thing to do and because his victim were only mostly human it didn't matter. The white council isn't exactly a supremacist organization per se, and many powerful members have more nuanced personal views, but it says something that only certain people have actual rights under their rules.
They seem to be trying to get better in all kinds of ways and largely aspire to be the good guys the setting needs, which they deserve credit for, but it's worth remembering who they are now when making claims about how they'll react.
I'm sold on the new vote.
[X] Yog
NOTES[X] As all of them at once, reflected in the eyes of beholder: jeans and a t-shirt, yes, but a shirt of finesttokatlispider silk and in a latest fashion trend of the city of fountains, a pair of emerald earrings in the shape of your mark blazing in your ears, and your sword on your belt, itself clad in an intricate floral scabbard.
-[X] Assist Archive, but let her make design decisions. You are interested where this is going
-[X] Roll occult excellency to see how fashion, math, poetry and spiders are similar.
@tenchifew @Alratan @BoredMan @thepsyborg @TonedMite @Azais @Yzarc (and if I missed anyone, sorry), please be aware that I significantly changed my vote, and if you want to vote for
[] As the Queen of Sanctuary in royal garb, the sign upon your brow bright burning
-[] Assist Archive, but let her make design decisions. You are interested where this is going
-[] Roll occult excellency to see how fashion, math, poetry and spiders are similar.
You should copy and past the plan into your vote.
Point of correction:When the red court sent ghouls after the warden training camp and killed some of the trainees in front of Dresden he killed any he could get his hands on. When the raid ended he took a survivor who was no longer able to cause him harm and tortured him; doing shit like somehow lighting all the fat in the guy's body on fire.
We are the Demon, not our blade.1)Is that Usum? Do you want to carry an activated demonsword into Summer?
We've just gone through multiple updates about Titania being emotional and paranoid, and you want to stroll in with a demonsword on our hip into a supposedly peaceful meeting.
Like I've said previously, you are going to send messages you dont know you're sending, or which will be misunderstood and then be surprised when people respond as they are wont.
That is not actually true.We are the Demon, not our blade.
We will give the same bad vibes whether we come in a summer dress or ancient armor, because we are the Infernal who calls for all lesser creatures of darkness to bow before her constantly.
The sword is always there, a thought away.That is not actually true.
We give the same vibes, but we dont normally have an unsheathed Aggravated weapon that in Molly's hands will permakill spirits. Its there, but it takes time to activate.
We're not brandishing it.
Odin doesnt carry Gungnir to diplomatic meetings. Mab doesnt bring her unicorn.
Wizards get away with carrying their staffs because they count as tools as well as weapons, but Ebenezar doesnt open-carry the Blackstaff to talks, and Dresden explicitly acknowledges that going to a meeting with duster and staff and blasting rod and all is the occult equivalent of open carrying an AR.
Chapter Seven
I went to Talvi Inverno's office just south of the Gold Coast in the Munstermobile and made no secret of it, parking across the street and walking openly up to the front door wearing my big black leather duster and carrying my wizard's staff in my left hand. In my world, it was the same as showing up in tactical armor and holding an assault rifle. So, when I knocked politely, I was making a couple of statements at the same time.
No one came to the door in response to my first knock. I knocked again and waited. No one showed up. I knocked a third time and waited politely. Then I took a step back from the door and pointed one end of my staff at it.
No taken, I didn't mean for that to sound like I did. Just that the fey in general and the queens in particular have well established supernatural senses.1) Not you specifically, and I apologize if I caused offense.
But some of the counter-arguments I have been responding to have been predicated on the idea that the Fae dont know who we are, or cant tell.
This is despite Lily recognizing us, and telling us that she knows we did something for Maeve.
Despite the fact that the Archive tells us straight up that the common rumor mill of the Fae know enough to mark Molly and her parentage on sight, and do know of her dealings with Mab, despite not knowing the details.
I think the alienness of it would be helpful here. Molly is a mix of the familiar and the very strange in a way that can be off putting.2)I dont really see it helping.
Signifiers only help when they come from a common cultural language, or at least a language and touchstones that both sides can understand and comprehend.
The Hell of Sanctuary is, by design, quite alien from Earth, and fails to share a lot of the cultural touchstones and signifiers that the Fae have nicked from mortal society. And it hasnt been around long enough for people to recognize its own signifiers.
Anything from there is likely to be missed or worse, misunderstood.
You risk injecting unnecessary confusion in a situation where you want and need clarity.
Like it or not public high stakes negotiations with a major power while under the escort of a highly respected one basically is a broader introduction to the world in a lot of ways.3) No, I dont think I agree.
This isnt a coming out party or a social occasion, this is Molly engaging the Queen of Summer in a fairly highstakes negotiation.
You need clarity, and to minimize any factors that might introduce hostile misunderstanding on our part.
Molly has done this sort of meeting before, with the Blackstaff, with Lara Raith of the White Court, with Mab of Winter, with the Merlin of the White Council, with Odin and now the Archive.
At no point has she found it necessary to affirm her identity by injecting unnecessary displays into the matter.
The less ego we have had going into these things, the more successful she has been at actually achieving her goals.
To be fair, there's a difference between having a sword with you and brandishing it.The sword is always there, a thought away.
And Titania is not so blind to miss that.
This would literally only be true if we were invited to a formal event, with notice to prepare.[X] As the Queen of Sanctuary in royal garb, the sign upon your brow bright burning
-[X] Assist Archive, but let her make design decisions. You are interested where this is going
-[X] Roll occult excellency to see how fashion, math, poetry and spiders are similar.
To my mind going in jeans is a pretty strong insult. It's saying that we take them casually, that they're not worth making any effort whatsoever for.
Particularly as Molly has dressed up to meet other supernatural powers.
There is a difference between a gun in a holster and a gun in your hand.The sword is always there, a thought away.And Titania is not so blind to miss that.
If we were talking to a human here, even a Wizard who can notice our nature with some effort, or by using the Sight, I would agree that bringing a blade to a talk is a bad show.
But these are Fey, and one of the most powerful of them, they will see the nuclear reactor in our soul much clearer and louder than any clothes we put on, by nature.
And so I suggest we look and act like they'd expect us to look and act, to make this a bargain, which any Fey Queen certainly knows to deal with, rather than start by challenging her preconceptions.
We won't make Titania our friend today, but maybe we can stop her from wondering if and how we tried to trick her.
I cant really agree with this.No taken, I didn't mean for that to sound like I did. Just that the fey in general and the queens in particular have well established supernatural senses.
The point is that what we choose to present has meaning. You could equally say that even dressed like a Yama Queen a good supernatural look would still see Molly's humanity, as sort of happened with Arthur, but it clearly contextualizes things differently.
Showing up to Titania's palace dressed like we're going out for pizza and relying on the aura to cover the difference doesn't seem ideal to me.
I happen to be of the persuasion that introducing randomness into a high-stakes negotiation is distinctly contra-indicated.I think the alienness of it would be helpful here. Molly is a mix of the familiar and the very strange in a way that can be off putting. Ivy basically told us they base their social interaction on conspiracy theory cork boards, and we know how much fey love novelty. Engaged with the right way this is a way to ground that sensation in something more positive.
Putting the new and strange in a frame just familiar enough to give them a guide for interacting with it can be the difference between exotic and foreign so to speak.
It really isnt.Like it or not public high stakes negotiations with a major power while under the escort of a highly respected one basically is a broader introduction to the world in a lot of ways.
This is also a fairly different situation involving fairly different people.
McCoy, Lara, and Mab mostly dealt with Molly on an informal level and in greater privacy. There were more public facing elements, but those also got more care put into their presentation and the focus rested in different places. See the white court purge and how Molly was mostly in the background until she was killing people, at which point her armor of shattered idols was more than enough flavor.
In this case we're going to walk into Summer's capitol for an audience with Titania with no warning or invitation. We'll probably get it because we're under the wing of the Archive, at which point we're going to set off/be involved in some serious business. Major court figures will be killed or cured of nemesis infection, the Lady will (hopefully) start wearing an artifact that practically glows to chimeric senses, and who knows what else.
It's basically the supernatural equivalent of some barely known figure showing up to the White House press pool with a major European intelligence minister, getting escorted back by the Secretary of State to immediately see the president, followed by immediate house cleaning in the executive branch where people with real power get brought up on lethally serious charges. After which the DoD quietly installs bullshit Star Trek shields on the Gerald R . Ford Super carrier that it bought from the same individual.
As opposed to the shady back alley meetings we've mostly had in the past.
We shouldn't let ego overtake us, but there's a certain amount of theatre in navigating something like this.