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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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I am still interested in getting a cult for Molly. We can use the vampires and other creatures we have had latched onto us like the Fomori to create a small one at first, then grow it as we get more followers.

As note, Molly doesn't need to claim to be the white god or any god in particular, she can declare she is an intermediary to the august personification of jade, and use that as her basis for others to worship her. The celestial court even needs to listen to her even in this wheel age close the 6 age, as she is inheriting the mantal of the evil god that will bring about the 6 age and replace the august personification of jade.

(I really like the idea of cults.)
 
[X] Yeah, could be worse, I think you should talk to him

'Could be worse' is accurate enough. The police don't have worse on file so... Not a great idea to push Rosie from decisions she wants to make.
 
Blackgutter said:
I am still interested in getting a cult for Molly. We can use the vampires and other creatures we have had latched onto us like the Fomori to create a small one at first, then grow it as we get more followers.

As note, Molly doesn't need to claim to be the white god or any god in particular, she can declare she is an intermediary to the august personification of jade, and use that as her basis for others to worship her. The celestial court even needs to listen to her even in this wheel age close the 6 age, as she is inheriting the mantal of the evil god that will bring about the 6 age and replace the august personification of jade.

(I really like the idea of cults.)
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We have a 5 billion strong congregation already though; the only reason it isn't a cult is that it's large enough that you're supposed to call it a religion instead. Point of fact, more mortals have faith in Molly than any major religion on earth.

I'm pretty sure we have a ruling that they would count mechanically, but we haven't bought the supernatural benefits with exp yet.
 
[X] Sounds...complicated. Although re-establishing contact with her father himself is not likely dangerous, it's probably not her father she needs to worry about. As a virtual non-entity in her father's life who has had no contact with the man in well over a decade, her existence may be unknown, or more likely discounted, by his employers and the authorities who are acting against him. If Rosie changes that equation, both she and her unborn child become new variables which will be taken into account. The last thing anyone needs is for her or the baby to become leverage to be used against her father.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Also I think you're misreading DP's post. There isn't a version that protects multiple people at the same time. If you make a HS item the owner can hand it off, but not to multiple people.
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Maybe? I mean, the splendor applies to the targets present at its activation, so I assumed that if multiple targets were present, it would apply to them, but ok, this might be more fascination thing, and that lasts only hours, even at high levels, with elongation of the curse extending it to days (so, useful for battlefield situations, but not permanent protections).
BronzeTongue said:
Splendor/prodigy attunment is tracked independently of any other sort of item.
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I'll have to hunt down the quotes, but I believe it was ruled that by adding Form of Hero's shadow we can circumvent the limit to total attuned splendors.
DragonParadox said:
You do not have anything of theirs and the place is also mundane so you would have to go there to have a Crown focus. Molly cannot just look at an address on line and ask a question
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No website? No public records? No police records? Prison records? Ok.
 
Yog said:
No website? No public records? No police records? Prison records? Ok.
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It is 2006, small businesses do not always have a website and if you were trying not to draw attention to yours, say due to it being a front for money laundering, it would likely be best not to draw too much attention As for police records, just getting those online is not enough for the same reason the address itself is not
 
Yog said:
Maybe? I mean, the splendor applies to the targets present at its activation, so I assumed that if multiple targets were present, it would apply to them, but ok, this might be more fascination thing, and that lasts only hours, even at high levels, with elongation of the curse extending it to days (so, useful for battlefield situations, but not permanent protections)
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Splendors have things they do to people functions they perform while active. Sacred Protection is an active effect of the splendor protecting the bearer. If it's a fascination then that's it's AoE while it's active, not a permanent effect that follows you around outside of it.

Your take on this is like suggesting a splendor that turns the pockets of everyone nearby when it activates into their own private Idaho.

Yog said:
I'll have to hunt down the quotes, but I believe it was ruled that by adding Form of Hero's shadow we can circumvent the limit to total attuned splendors
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You're missing my point here. We did get that ruling (though I still think that's basically completely rewriting how HS is meant to work and breaks a basic level of balance in the system) but the fey only need one a piece. These aren't our guys who we'll be equipping with more stuff using those slots, they're customers. If they want to buy more later we can make those things HS, or perform upgrades that include it on their existing items.

Doing so from the start means paying a surcharge for functionality no one needs and won't have the ability to use until and unless they come back for seconds. The only reason to start with HS is if you're dealing with someone who's already got a splendor or is too mundane to have any slots of their own, otherwise you're just wasting build points.
 
[X] White collar crime can often be the prelude to more violent crimes, and he's very likely associated with people that aren't so innocent. That said, some discreet contact would be possible. You have ways of securing phone calls and emails if needed. Take it from there and remember that you both have your own lives.
 
My knee jerk reaction is for Molly to visit first, since she should be able to get a really good read of the person and probably the situation as well.

But not only is it another action we would need an AP for, we also would basically decide for our friend, which is not really optimal.
 
[X] White collar crime can often be the prelude to more violent crimes, and he's very likely associated with people that aren't so innocent. That said, some discreet contact would be possible. You have ways of securing phone calls and emails if needed. Take it from there and remember that you both have your own lives
-[X] If he or his boss try to get Rosie into trouble, make sure she tells you. You can protect her, but only if she talks to you.
-[X] Use this opportunity to talk to Rosie about the Laws of Magic, why they are what they are, why they are enforced in the way they are, and what to do not to run afoul of them
--[X] Empathy excellency not to distress Rosie


Lift up, instead of pushing down. Give the guy a chance.

EDIT: The tally is broken, I am editing in my updated vote in here, otherwise it doesn't work.
 
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So... one point no one has brought up so far, Rosie has just developed the power to dream-walk into other people's dreams and she is a focus as far as contacting her father goes. She could talk to him right now by actual witchcraft if she put her mind to it.
 
Yog said:
That sounds like a way-too-easy way for Rosie to stumble across a Law violation.
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I would be less concerned with a Law violation and more worried about how he would respond to Rosie's attempt to contact him via dreams. Best case, he accepts the truth and they can communicate freely. Worst case, he thinks he's losing his mind, begins acting erratically, and his bosses decide to have him removed before he can become a liability.

The actual outcome is likely somewhere in the middle, but the dice roll as the dice will.
 
DragonParadox said:
So... one point no one has brought up so far, Rosie has just developed the power to dream-walk into other people's dreams and she is a focus as far as contacting her father goes. She could talk to him right now by actual witchcraft if she put her mind to it.
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Tangential, but does her dream power extend to making people sleepy and/or detecting if they're asleep?

If she wanted to find her father would she have to guess his sleeping habits and search around that time, or could she find him while he's awake and just wait (or encourage) him to go to sleep?

Seems like her search would be a pain on a practical level if she only sees active dreams.

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Goldfish said:
I would be less concerned with a Law violation and more worried about how he would respond to Rosie's attempt to contact him via dreams. Best case, he accepts the truth and they can communicate freely. Worst case, he thinks he's losing his mind, begins acting erratically, and his bosses decide to have him removed before he can become a liability.

The actual outcome is likely somewhere in the middle, but the dice roll as the dice will.
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Or he assumes it was just a vivid dream about his kid and shakes it off. DF humans are the kings of rationalizing things away.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
Tangential, but does her dream power extend to making people sleepy and/or detecting if they're asleep?

If she wanted to find her father would she have to guess his sleeping habits and search around that time, or could she find him while he's awake and just wait (or encourage) him to go to sleep?

Seems like her search would be a pain on a practical level if she only sees active dreams.
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Rosie would have to guess and yes, it is a pain, that is one of the things that distinguishes the powers of minor talents like her and wizards, she has no flexibility even though in her area of ability she might be more skillful than most wizards.
 
[X] White collar crime can often be the prelude to more violent crimes, and he's very likely associated with people that aren't so innocent. That said, some discreet contact would be possible. You have ways of securing phone calls and emails if needed. Take it from there and remember that you both have your own lives
-[X] If he or his boss try to get Rosie into trouble, make sure she tells you. You can protect her, but only if she talks to you.
 
I just want to say, this is kinda acting like a mob boss by ourselves.
Just imagine this in a New York accent:
"If that guy, or his boss, is making any trouble, you come to me. Not the police, not your mom, to me.
I can settle any issues."

[x] Yog
 
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DragonParadox said:
That is a fair point, in that case you guys might want to give her a warning because Molly would know IC that Rosie can now do this and it sounds like something that might tempt her.
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This is a good point, and actually a good avenue to talk to Rosie about Laws.

[X] White collar crime can often be the prelude to more violent crimes, and he's very likely associated with people that aren't so innocent. That said, some discreet contact would be possible. You have ways of securing phone calls and emails if needed. Take it from there and remember that you both have your own lives
-[X] If he or his boss try to get Rosie into trouble, make sure she tells you. You can protect her, but only if she talks to you.
-[X] Use this opportunity to talk to Rosie about the Laws of Magic, why they are what they are, why they are enforced in the way they are, and what to do not to run afoul of them
--[X] Empathy excellency not to distress Rosie
 
[X] Yeah, could be worse, I think you should talk to him

[X] Sounds...complicated. Although re-establishing contact with her father himself is not likely dangerous, it's probably not her father she needs to worry about. As a virtual non-entity in her father's life who has had no contact with the man in well over a decade, her existence may be unknown, or more likely discounted, by his employers and the authorities who are acting against him. If Rosie changes that equation, both she and her unborn child become new variables which will be taken into account. The last thing anyone needs is for her or the baby to become leverage to be used against her father.
 
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