When used as a name, mom, dad, sis, etc are supposed to be capitalized.
Sorry, getting to be a pet peeve of mine.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Sorry, getting to be a pet peeve of mine.
You would at the very least be delaying the passage of those souls by a considerable time. Does time matter? Molly cannot guess. For her part Lydia does not care, her intimacy is 'Help the dead find peace'. If the ghosts are ether at peace being ghosts or they move on to someplace they are content in that is all she cares about.
You forgot to threadmark, by the way.
Fixed, sorry I keep missing it, the rule just does not click in my head for some reason.
Fixed, thanks for the heads up
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I'm kinda 50/50 on this since it fits my morals but might conflict with Molly's more Christian outlook.
[X] It is a worthy goal
[X] It is a worthy goal
Frankly, considering the continuously stated position of the actual people we are worried about taking souls from, any pro or con or irrelevancy of delaying or diverting souls from their place in the White God's afterlife... Free Will trumps all of it. So long as souls are choosing of their own free will to go to our realm I suspect the worst response we are going to get is an explanation for why this is bad and to please stop voluntarily.
[X] Yog
Can we claim them premortem then?
[x] It is a worthy goal
-[X] The details of such a venture, the scope and mechanisms of it would require careful handling and thought, on your part and on the part of your subjects. You'll introduce the idea and Lydia to the people responsible. Both the dead she is set to protect, and people under your aegis could benefit from this if done correctly. You won't harm one for the sake of the other.
Uriel already told us it's A-OK with God, all souls ends up where they should at the end.
Can we claim them premortem then?
Yeah, those Half-Reds already are and there is no real way to stop them short of pulling an Emperor of Mankind on them and Molly isn't that dumb.
Uriel told us when people perform the wheel severing ritual they bounce over to whatever the white god has for them.
I'd contend that we're just as valid an afterlife as that though. It's not like we're stealing souls to torture, we don't even necessarily get anything out of this.
If the white god wanted to do something about this he'd send angels of death to escort them on, barring what they might as well live in the FCF instead of lingering as maddened ghosts.
Why wouldn't we go the way of the God-Emperor? It's not like he asked to not be revered, or was trying top make his empire Atheist, and failed horribly at both.
Or, in the case of us working on that, just ask us politely to not do that, we have already proved reasonable, after all.
Modus_Tollens
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[X] It is a worthy goal
-[X] The details of such a venture, the scope and mechanisms of it would require careful handling and thought, on your part and on the part of your subjects. You'll introduce the idea and Lydia to the people responsible. Both the dead she is set to protect, and people under your aegis could benefit from this if done correctly. You won't harm one for the sake of the other.
If God has any issue with it we'll have to make modifications but... this isn't even unique. Other powers have afterlives, even if many have shuttered their doors, and you could call this rehab for the figures who weren't getting to their proper resting places anyway.
Valhalla, A'Aru, Ukhu Pacha...
-[X] The details of such a venture, the scope and mechanisms of it would require careful handling and thought, on your part and on the part of your subjects. You'll introduce the idea and Lydia to the people responsible. Both the dead she is set to protect, and people under your aegis could benefit from this if done correctly. You won't harm one for the sake of the other.
If God has any issue with it we'll have to make modifications but... this isn't even unique. Other powers have afterlives, even if many have shuttered their doors, and you could call this rehab for the figures who weren't getting to their proper resting places anyway.
Valhalla, A'Aru, Ukhu Pacha...
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That's fair, though in that case I wouldn't want to give up so much as engineer excuses for them.
Presumably the white god is restricted by one of his rules from just saving them, otherwise it'd be weird for him to shut down the psychopomps then let them linger.
But there are cases where heaven can help, it's 'just' a matter of identifying them and deliberately inducing one once we have enough souls*. This is the benefit of not working for heaven; we can do shit that benefits the side of the angels they could never actually ask or order us to do.
I think we'll be fine though, Uriel probably would have warned us not to take souls when we asked about the ones we already had.
* I'm envisioning team rocket grade evil plots that are designed to fail, but still check enough boxes that the angels can repo souls. We have a comical little pro forma conflict and lose, take a slap on the wrist as punishment, then set it up again for next Saturday.
fictionfan
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[x] Yog
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[X] It is a worthy goal
-[X] The details of such a venture, the scope and mechanisms of it would require careful handling and thought, on your part and on the part of your subjects. You'll introduce the idea and Lydia to the people responsible. Both the dead she is set to protect, and people under your aegis could benefit from this if done correctly. You won't harm one for the sake of the other.
With mutual consolation between both groups, I think this could be very fruitful to all parties involved- and also would help introduce the world beyond Sanctuary to its inhabitants, not to mention other (sanctioned) gods and creeds worth following beyond the Empress-Who-Has-Come which would help keep us more accountable and prevent monolithic notions of our supposed "infallibility" or "supremacy" we wish to avoid.
-[X] The details of such a venture, the scope and mechanisms of it would require careful handling and thought, on your part and on the part of your subjects. You'll introduce the idea and Lydia to the people responsible. Both the dead she is set to protect, and people under your aegis could benefit from this if done correctly. You won't harm one for the sake of the other.
With mutual consolation between both groups, I think this could be very fruitful to all parties involved- and also would help introduce the world beyond Sanctuary to its inhabitants, not to mention other (sanctioned) gods and creeds worth following beyond the Empress-Who-Has-Come which would help keep us more accountable and prevent monolithic notions of our supposed "infallibility" or "supremacy" we wish to avoid.
[X] Yog
Souls have free will. Either they can choose to follow the White God's plan in a more immediate sense or they can choose to come with us, which is still something the White God is ok with. This shouldn't actually go against Molly's morals, as I read them.
Souls have free will. Either they can choose to follow the White God's plan in a more immediate sense or they can choose to come with us, which is still something the White God is ok with. This shouldn't actually go against Molly's morals, as I read them.
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[x] It is a worthy goal
-[X] The details of such a venture, the scope and mechanisms of it would require careful handling and thought, on your part and on the part of your subjects. You'll introduce the idea and Lydia to the people responsible. Both the dead she is set to protect, and people under your aegis could benefit from this if done correctly. You won't harm one for the sake of the other.
-[X] The details of such a venture, the scope and mechanisms of it would require careful handling and thought, on your part and on the part of your subjects. You'll introduce the idea and Lydia to the people responsible. Both the dead she is set to protect, and people under your aegis could benefit from this if done correctly. You won't harm one for the sake of the other.
fictionfan
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Fairly sure that the people responsible in this case would be in the city of endings.
This will look interesting from the outside. The darkhallow was essentially just ascending to godhood by eating a shitload of ghosts, and we're basically sticking a straw into a major city's ghost supply then starting to slurp.
Lower level, but it'd still be pretty alarming to see.
Lower level, but it'd still be pretty alarming to see.
[x] Nope, you are not about to start claiming souls postmortem, let them go to where they are supposed to, even if it takes a while
fictionfan
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I am interested if we actually get any benefits from it or if it's just charity work.This will look interesting from the outside. The darkhallow was essentially just ascending to godhood by eating a shitload of ghosts, and we're basically sticking a straw into a major city's ghost supply then starting to slurp.
Lower level, but it'd still be pretty alarming to see.
Kemayo
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Kemmler was a greedy amateur. This is how you become a god that's absorbing the unquiet dead... while somehow remaining in the good graces of all the major powers. 😂This will look interesting from the outside. The darkhallow was essentially just ascending to godhood by eating a shitload of ghosts, and we're basically sticking a straw into a major city's ghost supply then starting to slurp.
fictionfan
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Should we craft up some sort of ferryman charm for Lydia to get or is she just going to have to take a few ghosts at a time when Molly manages the transport?
Or maybe this is just a natural option with Rest-Granting Strike (••) when the death god in question has access to a cooperating afterlife.
Maybe Molly will have to do some sort of ritual appointing her to the position?
Or maybe this is just a natural option with Rest-Granting Strike (••) when the death god in question has access to a cooperating afterlife.
Maybe Molly will have to do some sort of ritual appointing her to the position?
If the rest granting strike option works then combined with this intimacy Lydia will be much better able to recover resources far more quickly. Which in turn allows Lydia to be much more active.
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It is going to take some kind or artifact or sorcery... or Using VEE on ghosts to get them into your hell.