Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Or we could just go ourselves in the daytime; its not like there are very many Reds with fleshmasks capable of walking around in daytime south of the US border.
If they did they would be about as vulnerable as a balloon waiting to be popped.
You could probably blast though a lot of random Red Court mooks, but it is worth remembering you only have so much essence. Like most solarids Molly is very very good at killing hard targets fast. When she has to fight armies things gt dicey.
On the subject of essence did we just have a recovery from being the half reds into our service?
 
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[X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe locations.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
 
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[X] Promise you will get their families out

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We have two options
1)Take half a million dollars of the duffel of cash that Arianna was so kind to hand over, and literally pay someone to get them out.
=Monoc are mercs, and we know they are secure, but no idea how familiar they are with Latin America
=The Fellowship of St Giles have homeground advantage, but do have moles, though I doubt their moles would break cover for this.

2)Or Molly could go herself. In daytime. Only human and part-humans running around in the open in daytime.
Get a blood or hair sample from the family member, have Dresden or a Brass Court sorcerer hook up a finding item with it, and essentially find them herself and extract them.

Problem being she isnt all that good with Spanish.
You could probably blast though a lot of random Red Court mooks, but it is worth remembering you only have so much essence. Like most solarids Molly is very very good at killing hard targets fast. When she has to fight armies things gt dicey.
Depends on when you go.
There's no random Red Court mooks walking around in the full flush of daytime
And even ancients probably dont want to risk damaging their fleshmasks in the tropical sunshine of daytime Latin America.
 
Farming a garden requires literally being there day to day, with ongoing surveillance and intervention against everything from weeds to pests to vandals.
You dont just plant and leave and come back at harvest.

Again, look at the US invasion of Iraq and the US's subsequent efforts to stabilize the place, and remember that Latin America in 2006 is ~20x the population of Iraq and at least an order of magnitude the surface area.

Its not out of our capability because Solaroid with an empire, but it is a significant problem that we would need to acknowledge and invest major ongoing effort into. Not a situation where you overthrow the governing structures and walk away with a mission accomplished banner as the region breaks down into chaos and war.

The US is still seeing blowback from its actions in Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s.
If you want a perfect english lawn maybe.

But if you are okay with the garden looking a bit less shiny you can get by with trimming and cutting twice a year, with some lesser maintenance like lawnmowing or picking weeds every few weeks.
 
If we go with my plan, the Reds will probably assume Arianna was taken out as part of a Fellowship op, at least for a short while.

Between the family members of Humans on her plane disappearing and the sudden purge of traitors operating within the Fellowship, combined with the plane's destruction and presumed death of everyone onboard, suspicion is initially going to fall on them.

And that's fine with me. Their entire organization is geared toward resisting and fight the Reds. And with their traitor situation under control, they should be well prepared to weather that storm.

It gives us more time to continue operating and growing without even more enemies focused on us than we already have.
 
If we go with my plan, the Reds will probably assume Arianna was taken out as part of a Fellowship op, at least for a short while.
Doubt it.

We did metaphorically light the sky on fire there.
If anyone has the eyes to see that, they'll never believe that a half-Red did it.
More likely they'll check if they have pissed off Mab more than usual (they did in fact) or if something nasty broke out of Demonreach.
 
[X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe locations.
-[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
--[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.


We have zero right to keep innocent mortals against their will for any time in the first place. Circumstances like now might excuse it, but what they won't excuse is then not taking responsibility for fixing the resulting consequences, just because we have "better things to do".

"No, I won't let you go right now and I won't do anything about it myself. I'll just let you go after the hostages are probably already dead" would be kinda crossing the line for Molly.
It would be kinda ironic to be so watchful of Broken Seeker not corrupting us, and then doing it immediately to ourselves purely on our own.
1) We have not achieved the level of credibility that would allow them to take our claims about their having moles as truth.
We would be trying to spend credibility we dont have yet.
Remember, killing Arianna just means we have(had?) mutual enemies, not that we are friends.


2)Thats a lie.
Given that we dont know if they have ever had access to her computer systems(which is quite possible, given how the Fellowship knew about Paolo Ortega coming to Chicago to kill Dresden almost before Paolo himself did), its a particularly unwise one.

More generally? Never lie when you dont absolutely have to.
Its not even a matter of honesty per se; minimizing the things you have to keep track of makes it easier to not get tripped up by your own words and claims.

Furthermore? Lie detection isnt very high level in WoD; in addition to vampire Auspex allowing aura reading for lies, the vampire Discipline Mytherceria has it as literally a Tier 1 power, and I think there's a Tier 1 werewolf Gift that does much the same thing, in addition to a fetish.


3) We absolutely do reserve the right to restrain civilians if we think it minimizes harm to them or others.
See the demon-possessed kid we rescued from the akuma; we didnt have permission to hold or exorcise her.

If you want a perfect english lawn maybe.
But if you are okay with the garden looking a bit less shiny you can get by with trimming and cutting twice a year, with some lesser maintenance like lawnmowing or picking weeds every few weeks.
Human society is a lot more like a food garden than a lawn of ornamental grass.
And like any food garden, you need a ton of surveillance and a lot more care or shit can go from zero to a hundred very fast.

If we go with my plan, the Reds will probably assume Arianna was taken out as part of a Fellowship op, at least for a short while.
Nah.
We made enough of a ruckus to be detected by mortal mediums as we entered Mexico.
Never mind the magical firefight that literally weakened the Gauntlet.

And the Red Court certainly know the Fellowship does not have the firepower to get in a standup fight with a bunch of ancient vampires; they never have, and have preferentially gone after logistics and human collaborators, with attacks on vampires being assassination attempts, not fights. And Arianna and most of her entourage would have survived a nightime plane crash anyway.

Not to mention that they do have moles in the Fellowship.
 
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OK, looks like Molly is going to do her best to get these people back to their families, though not necessarily in her own time. She does have people these days.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 25, 2023 at 12:59 PM, finished with 52 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Promise you will get their families out
    [X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe locations.
    -[X] Once we return to Earth and have the time to communicate, we'll use the Crown to determine the names of traitors within the Fellowship of Saint Giles, then contact them with the information. Explain that it was learned through examining Arianna Ortega's laptop and independently confirmed by interrogating several captured Elder Red Vampires.
    --[X] In return for this boon, ask that they use their people and network to safely extract the remaining family members of our Human captives. We'll send them some of the money we looted from Arianna's plane to ease any financial burdens this may cause.
    [X] Offer to send them back once things quiet down
    [X] Promise that we will attempt to arrange the extraction of their families to safe
    [x]Null
 
Doubt it.

We did metaphorically light the sky on fire there.
If anyone has the eyes to see that, they'll never believe that a half-Red did it.
More likely they'll check if they have pissed off Mab more than usual (they did in fact) or if something nasty broke out of Demonreach.
The fellowship is just as able to make deals with dark powers as anyone else.

[X]Goldfish

the vampire Discipline Mytherceria has it as literally a Tier 1 power, and I think there's a Tier 1 werewolf Gift that does much the same thing, in addition to a fetish.
Seems a little unfair considering it's a 3 dot charm for us and costs an essanse to activate.
 
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It would be kinda ironic to be so watchful of Broken Seeker not corrupting us, and then doing it immediately to ourselves purely on our own.
That's not fair.

It seems like a simple task this time around but like Goldfish said earlier, it could prove problematic down the line if we make a habit of rescuing people by bringing them to the FC, showing them stuff we can't afford them spilling, then going out of our way to get their families too.

This time it will only be two families how many next time? The time after that? It could become a legitimate problem in the short term.
 
Arc 9 Post 33: Of Value and Venting
Of Value and Venting

21th of November 2006 A.D

"I can't let you two go back," the words come out hesitant, but end firm, as much as it hurts to separate families, there is no way back for them tat does not end in tears and blood. "But I can bring your families to you."

It is less than they had hoped you see, but more than they had hoped

Good, plans turn over in your head, the Fellowship, or Monoc perhaps. They work for money. You heft the dufflebag of dollars. Quite a lot in there, more than the of worth of a bunch of people who happen to be related to random 'bloodbags' who died in a plane crash to the Red Court. Slaves and less than slaves, they are counted and that, you have faith, will be their undoing in the end.

Of course you had picked up that money for more than ballast. One of the things the Amethyst Hand had been curious to see was Earth-money. Not that the magnates of the City of Journeys are any less sophisticated in monetary matters than the banks and investment funds you are... not familiar with. You barely know the buzz words and so a lot of the questions the financiers, most of them SUTRAS had asked of you, but there is one thing that came to mind right away.

Light, green, blue and Red flashes under the leaded cover.

"Well?" you prompt the SUTRA, whose hologlyphic avatar, an odd commingling of spider and solar disk ripples above the large projector in the center of the room.

"We achieve 99.9999% fidelity in reproducing the currency."

Twenty hundred dollar bills shoot out into your hands, as far as you are able to tell identical such that to your inexpert eye at least the original was hidden.

"Excellent, not that I think we will be using something like this often, hopefully not at all, but it is good to know we have the option..." Probably not the lesson you should have taken from that documentary about rogue states funding themselves with counterfeiting, but as far as crimes that can get you an arbitrary amounts of money go this is the closest thing to victimless.

Leaving the full roll of bills for the Amethyst hand to play with you spend the rest of the day in and out of conferences with sorcerers from Ameli to Grandmaster Aesp to alchemists calling in from across the Five Cities, explaining the conditions of all the people you had brought to Sanctuary and what you hope from their studies.

The way these folk, each in their own way a master of their craft heed your every word with quiet courtesy is in some ways more eerie than the cheers of the crowds or the way guests and servants alike bow to you in the corridors. Just last month you handed Harry a sword and paid him to research it, now you have thousands of bright mind at your disposal in any field of study... and you technically aren't paying them anything which feels awkward as heck.

They are being paid at their respective jobs, you remind yourself. It is just that those jobs become... whatever you want when you want to.

You clear your throat. "Also this is cocaine, a highly addictive refined drug, you will find a write up in your files I made available already."

As packets of white slide onto the black marble table, heads mechanical and biological, scaled, fungoid and manlike turn to look at you again you say your goodbyes and depart.

Essence Restored to 15/15
Gain 1 Willpower -> Now at 5/9

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22nd of November 2006 A.D

Burny was the one you had asked to play the song so you pop like a genie out of a bottle into Harry's living room at the arranged time onto the expected barrage of questions: were you hurt, had the skinwalker turned, how had it gone and did you have the whole of the Red Court on your trail right now. In response you take out Arianna Ortega's head and set it spinning in the air like it's a mannequin's head on one of those fancy lit up displays.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 14/15 (MHM)

"She will not be calling in anymore hits," you proclaim cheerfully. "Isn't that right Arianna?"

The decapitated head nods, enormous wings flapping in a parody of wings.

"Stars and stones Molly!" Harry does not look amused. "Put that away!"

"Harry. I l...like you, but that bitch does not get dignity in death!" You do put the head away though. "First thing that happened when we broke into the plane she wanted to eat the person next to her for a pick-me-up and some of those servants, call them what they are some of those slaves, were working themselves to the brink because she told them that if they failed her their families would die. And these people they didn't have any ability to betray her or the Red Court or anything really, she did it because she liked mind games, or because of tradition, or maybe just because she was bored."

Lost 1 Essence > Now at 13/15 (Empathy Excellency)

Now he looks worried, trying and failing not to loom, it's cute, a part of you notes. "That bad huh?"

"Barely got singed," you point out. "Heck Broken Seeker got hurt more, even though he healed fast."

Harry just kind of stares at you, doing his best Gandalf impression. It's decent but he has a ways to go before you will be spilling out all your worries and concerns.

"Where is the skinwalker now?" he asks, the question you had rather he not... and yet in a way the one you had come for him to ask here.

"Gone probably, no reason to stick around Chicago, last I saw him was in the plane, but that is at the bottom of the ocean now."

Broken Seeker is no kinder to his worshipers than Duchess Arianna had been to hers, less so in some ways because he has far fewer of them and very particular ideas about how they should live, but you had let him go out of a sense of honor, a hope that you might be able to turn him from his dark path. It all sounded just a little mad now.

"Good," Harry sighs, startling you. "Glad that thing isn't in Chicago anymore." He must have seen the surprise in your expression because he gets defensive when adding: "Too bad it didn't die, but those things are almost impossible to kill. Driving it out is about the best you can do without expert help. Are you sure it isn't after you anymore?"

Thinking back to the last expression you had seen on Broken Seeker's stolen features you asnwer honestly. "Not for a while at least."

What do you do next?

[] Negotiate fealty with Porter

[] Talk to Daniel about his... well you hesitate to say plans

[] Catch up with Lydia

[] Write in


OOC: Since you have eight days left of the month you can do all of the above, I am not going to give you guys an artificial time limit, this vote is more about the order and maybe any write ins you want to make. Again the way to dealt with Broken Seeker kind of surprised me.
 
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The main moral point of Dresden Files is exactly that being a good person in that world is hard and unfair, especially the more powerful you become and the more responsibilities you get.

That's why most powerful people in Dresden Files are not good people.

That's why it's not boring being as overpowered as an Exalted. Because you need all that "fuck the rules and destiny!" power to try to be good without also being some sort of martyr.

This time it will only be two families how many next time? The time after that? It could become a legitimate problem in the short term.

Yes, but none of this changes this specific case, how keeping people (who you have no moral right to detain, just to protect your secrets) from trying to save their families, without trying to do something about it yourself, is not just merely not being good... it seems pretty line-crossingly evil.

There's a difference between not going out of your way to actively save someone, and refusing to save someone, who is in more danger as a direct result of your arguably immoral decision (like imprisoning innocent people resulting in them not being able to try to save said someone).

She could reason herself into thinking why that's a necessary decision in the long term, but that sort of utilitarian rationalization is exactly how powerful, originally well-meaning, people get corrupted.
 
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It's time for some R&R. We've had a hectic few days, to say the least, and Lydia hasn't gotten much screen time lately.

[X] Catch up with Lydia
 
It seems like a simple task this time around but like Goldfish said earlier, it could prove problematic down the line if we make a habit of rescuing people by bringing them to the FC, showing them stuff we can't afford them spilling, then going out of our way to get their families too.

This time it will only be two families how many next time? The time after that? It could become a legitimate problem in the short term.
In the long run Molly will need to establish herself as a King. No man is an island but some girls in Chicago have planets in their souls.

What she needs is a solid base on Earth that can reasonably be assumed to take on all comers at least long enough before Molly arrives with reinforcements. But, as long as Molly is also not willing to just upend the masquerade outright and just start shipping security from her Hell by the dozens supported by heavy military vehicles, she will need to work on the down low.

Ideally she needs to be recognized both by supernatural and mundane parties as a political and power entity unto herself. She technically has enough connections to pull it off but it's gonna be a pain in the ass to arrange.
 
[X] Plan family first
-[X] Talk to Daniel about his... well you hesitate to say plans
-[X] Catch up with Lydia
-[X] Negotiate fealty with Porter

You clear your throat. "Also this is cocaine, a highly addictive refined drug, you will find a write up in your files I made available already."
It occurs to me that we actually need cocaine if we are to make super counterfeit currency. Dollars bills contain cocaine in them:
"92% of the bills were positive for cocaine with a mean amount of 28.75 ± 139.07 micrograms per bill, a median of 1.37 μg per bill, and a range of 0.01-922.72 μg per bill. Heroin was detected in seven bills in amounts ranging from 0.03 to 168.5 μg per bill: 6-AM and morphine were detected in three bills; methamphetamine and amphetamine in three and one bills, respectively, and PCP was detected in two bills in amounts of 0.78 and 1.87 μg per bill. Codeine was not detected in any of the one-dollar bills analyzed".
If we are to be really thorough, like "fool supernaturals thorough", we need to add cocaine to our bills.
 
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