Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
TBH, I halfway expect she's going to be shunted out of Harry for the duration of the stay here and forced into a 'Material' state.
Tiny shoulder fairy Lash go?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
TBH, I halfway expect she's going to be shunted out of Harry for the duration of the stay here and forced into a 'Material' state.
Tiny shoulder fairy Lash go?
- Location
- Australia
Thanks for the clarification DragonParadox!
Honestly, I kinda like the idea of resistance (as I discussed piror) and even overcrowding - with endless suffering, struggle and strife over limited resources could potential drive adaptation and innovation to improve technology and tactics without permanent harm - and not just violent competition, market or economic competition for more allocation of finite reasource (ideally learning to do more with less) driving innovation and environmental colonisation and devlopment/exploitation - plus invoking a "We always have reserves" paradigm in industry, research, war and the conquest/colonisation/defence of other realms, because the nature of the realm demands there must always be a surplus which could be utilised t9 cover any causalities or fill any gap in overstetched positions and capacities. Granted, the challenge of a world forever destined to fill to overspill is that such pressure is forever straining to be aleaviated, the need to forever expand benefit and a burden, a double-edged sword of unsustainability driving instability and change with all the advantages and disadvantages that entails.
But enough of my ramblings, if you don't mind me asking, @Yog, are there any devils in your proposal that might live in and be adapted to the human uninhabitable regions (perhaps Beastmen who hybridised with/from the natively evolved life)?
Also, @Yzarc and @Yog (plus anyone else who'd like to make a proposal), in your respective proposals, does advanced technology and magic include inferqcture to develop and manufacture personal level equipment (e.g. guns, grenades, body armour) and larger/more complex/expensive tools of war such as tanks, drones, trucks, planes, ships, even WMD like nukes (i.e., the state and potential of the military-industrial complex, and the extent to which we might be able to draw upon it in future conflicts, especially against larger scale threats)?
Lastly, @DragonParadox, could we potentially uplift or wholesale design a sapient species to live in biomes inhospitable/incompatible to (unaltered or unprotected) humans, ir create/summon a specialised devil/demon to fill that niche, or say use the realm's advanced technology and magic to cybernetically, genetically and spiritually modify humanity to better survive, even thrive in such inhospitable regions/conditions?
Honestly, I hope we might one day be able to have all these worlds/realities (or at least their possibilities) in our realm, although obviously that will take unparalleled time and effort, and we need to choose one vision/interpretation to start with/grow from.
Honestly, I kinda like the idea of resistance (as I discussed piror) and even overcrowding - with endless suffering, struggle and strife over limited resources could potential drive adaptation and innovation to improve technology and tactics without permanent harm - and not just violent competition, market or economic competition for more allocation of finite reasource (ideally learning to do more with less) driving innovation and environmental colonisation and devlopment/exploitation - plus invoking a "We always have reserves" paradigm in industry, research, war and the conquest/colonisation/defence of other realms, because the nature of the realm demands there must always be a surplus which could be utilised t9 cover any causalities or fill any gap in overstetched positions and capacities. Granted, the challenge of a world forever destined to fill to overspill is that such pressure is forever straining to be aleaviated, the need to forever expand benefit and a burden, a double-edged sword of unsustainability driving instability and change with all the advantages and disadvantages that entails.
But enough of my ramblings, if you don't mind me asking, @Yog, are there any devils in your proposal that might live in and be adapted to the human uninhabitable regions (perhaps Beastmen who hybridised with/from the natively evolved life)?
Also, @Yzarc and @Yog (plus anyone else who'd like to make a proposal), in your respective proposals, does advanced technology and magic include inferqcture to develop and manufacture personal level equipment (e.g. guns, grenades, body armour) and larger/more complex/expensive tools of war such as tanks, drones, trucks, planes, ships, even WMD like nukes (i.e., the state and potential of the military-industrial complex, and the extent to which we might be able to draw upon it in future conflicts, especially against larger scale threats)?
Lastly, @DragonParadox, could we potentially uplift or wholesale design a sapient species to live in biomes inhospitable/incompatible to (unaltered or unprotected) humans, ir create/summon a specialised devil/demon to fill that niche, or say use the realm's advanced technology and magic to cybernetically, genetically and spiritually modify humanity to better survive, even thrive in such inhospitable regions/conditions?
Honestly, I hope we might one day be able to have all these worlds/realities (or at least their possibilities) in our realm, although obviously that will take unparalleled time and effort, and we need to choose one vision/interpretation to start with/grow from.
[X] Stormy snowglobe dimension of Nifty Name with floating lands
Vast 3
Mundane and Difficult geography 0
Harsh Climate -1
Human poulace 0
Resident Devils 1
Deadly Beasts -1
Deadly Flora -1
Balanced ecosystem 0
Archaic social structure 0
Modern technology 1
Comitted loyalty 2
Lord of the Land 1
Looks like a large shaken snowglobe with a light at top and some rocks flying around in a cylinder. Populated by spirits and artistic techno-barbarians.
Vast sphere of air and floating mountains ever jockeying for upper position, closer to a sun and warmer, as they dance and whirl around the axis of the plane (Warning: most landmasses are happy being simple landmasses flying around at subsonic speeds and do spend their time leisurely in their temples, lounging, reclining and sitting)
Geography of the realm where applicable is mundane though difficult. Exception being the very bottom of the globe, land of utter cold, the source of the persistent storm that plague the realm and the realm's border.
But even in the sky the climate remains harsh with howling winds bringing frost and hail - and taking with them roofs, people, beasts and buildings.
The realm is far from empty. Full of men and spirits, they wage eternal battle against the elements, the deadly flora, even more deadly beasts and the most deadly of foes - each other. Through all of the struggle a balance has been reached and all with strength will find enough to take.
Strength being important factor. For society there is quite archaic in its outlook and does not settle its disputes in courts of law or with a checkbook. Personal prowess is proof one's standing and competitions abound athletic, artistic and of battle. Runner and musician, both may be lauded for their accomplishments, but doesn't it always come down to a blade and gun? The entire life is such as the entire islands and continents vie to rise higher to warmth and a sun and cast their rivals into cold and darkness.
Thus do the warrior-artists go to war in a modern manner on their rocketships, the storms rendering airplanes and dirigibles untenable. War-trained unicorns towing machine guns and artillery. Wermen and women in frightening mask clutching their swords and throwing high-explosive charms.
One thing and one thing only can get all the residents, men and spirit alike, to commit to a single cause, the will of the Lady of the Land.
Geography of the realm where applicable is mundane though difficult. Exception being the very bottom of the globe, land of utter cold, the source of the persistent storm that plague the realm and the realm's border.
But even in the sky the climate remains harsh with howling winds bringing frost and hail - and taking with them roofs, people, beasts and buildings.
The realm is far from empty. Full of men and spirits, they wage eternal battle against the elements, the deadly flora, even more deadly beasts and the most deadly of foes - each other. Through all of the struggle a balance has been reached and all with strength will find enough to take.
Strength being important factor. For society there is quite archaic in its outlook and does not settle its disputes in courts of law or with a checkbook. Personal prowess is proof one's standing and competitions abound athletic, artistic and of battle. Runner and musician, both may be lauded for their accomplishments, but doesn't it always come down to a blade and gun? The entire life is such as the entire islands and continents vie to rise higher to warmth and a sun and cast their rivals into cold and darkness.
Thus do the warrior-artists go to war in a modern manner on their rocketships, the storms rendering airplanes and dirigibles untenable. War-trained unicorns towing machine guns and artillery. Wermen and women in frightening mask clutching their swords and throwing high-explosive charms.
One thing and one thing only can get all the residents, men and spirit alike, to commit to a single cause, the will of the Lady of the Land.
Vast 3
Mundane and Difficult geography 0
Harsh Climate -1
Human poulace 0
Resident Devils 1
Deadly Beasts -1
Deadly Flora -1
Balanced ecosystem 0
Archaic social structure 0
Modern technology 1
Comitted loyalty 2
Lord of the Land 1
Looks like a large shaken snowglobe with a light at top and some rocks flying around in a cylinder. Populated by spirits and artistic techno-barbarians.
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The radioactive dragon people are adapted to the life in the Wastes. Interspecies hybrids can vary wildly, and some of them can probably survive there with minimum assistance. It should be noted that in general the Wastes were designed to be the next best thing to unpassable and as hostile to Earthly life as possible.
The intended "feel" of the technological level in my mind was Cyberpunk 2077 (say what you will about the game, but aesthetically it was great). There is definitely blending of magic and technology - one of my cornerstone techs is SUTRA (Structure Unifying Thaumaturgy Resistance Attachments), a device intended to combat techbane by making machine spirits live in everything.
As I mentioned previously, the nature of the courts means that military-industrial complex is mostly aimed at urban warfare. So, you are more likely to see low profile power armor assisting someone in scaling skyscrapers from the outside and having heavy firefights inside than tanks. However, tanks and other large assets also should exist, if only because Wastes exploration is hard, dangerous and the technology for such exploration and warfare is convergent in a lot of places.
Nukes are iffy, or at least nukes as we use them. The Courts have a very detailed knowledge of radiation, however, and should have the technology to manufacture nuclear weaponry.
Oh certainly, it is perfectly within RaW. One of the thing you can give a fomori is Mega Attribute and that includes Intelligence. Something only needs INT 2 to be Sapient; Mega attribute can go up to 8 from what I recall so you could even uplift a new species to be considerably more intelligent than the most intelligent baseline humans. Now mind you are not a lunar, life shaping using their own protean nature and you are certainly not a first age solar using manses and advanced magi-tech for the job, so your control over the resulting mutations would be far from perfect.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Yes, it is basically Scifi tech but minus the Spaceships for obvious reasons. Think 40K meets Star Wars.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[x] Yog
Been waiting for this for a long time.
Been waiting for this for a long time.
Well at least setting a proper hacking command base will be as simple as just grabbing some computers and bringing them outside, and throwing cyber devil in them.
I think it's 9 actually, I'll have to check.
Remind me again, how exactly does Molly importing people from Chicago into her hell to grant them safety work? Would she have to bring them through the whole gauntlet of the outer edges of the hell to reach any safe zones? And vice versa, would any inhabitants have to leave from the edges of the Hell, or can Molly basically access any place in her hell as she enters/leaves/retrieves?
By meditating in specific circumstances selected while learning this Charm (such as in perfect darkness, while covered in blood, or to the sound of screams) and making a Wits + Occult roll against a difficulty of her own Willpower (which acts as the effective Gauntlet rating for this internal realm), she may disappear into her Kingdom for up to five days, making it impossible to find her. She can linger no longer, however, and must spend at least that much time in reality before visiting again. Spending five full days within the Kingdom resets the difficulty and cost of her Shintai transformation.
By paying 2 Essence while crossing over into her inner landscape, the Infernal may also bring up to a score of willing, restrained, or unconscious individuals along with her. Visitors to the Kingdom may stay for as long as they wish (indeed, they may even become permanent residents), and are free to depart whenever they desire – so long as they are able to walk to the border of the realm. While the Kingdom must be composed of geography which makes this possible, nothing stops the Infernal from importing soldiers to man guard posts, or adorning the realm with prisons, natural hazards, and the like.
Given the RDV Essence Recovery hack (or a Dragon's Nest) you guys could bring about 20 people every... lets say 45 minutes since you also have to meditate to open the way. That comes out to 200 people in a normal 8 hour day of doing nothing but ferrying people across without actually cutting into your normal essence pool. Of course you could take those 8 hours at night and do this in addition to your normal schedule. So in about a month you could move 6000 people.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] Fivefold Courts of Frozen Fate v. 1.3
[X]Yog
[X]Yog
Sorry for the wall of text, but Lash discussion got me thinking, and actually another reason to choose the Fivefold Courts specifically is that it is uniquely suited to help resolve Harry/Lash situation.
If the courts would win, I would like to raise the question with them as soon as possible, but it wouldn't matter if it's later.
What do you guys think? Due to Commited loyalty feature and the futuristic cyberpunk fluff of the Courts we can get any help we need, and everything we need, including a futuristic cybernetic body perfectly suitable for housing Lash, very quickly, in under several hours. And it's better and safer to do that in our Hell. And the beauty is that we can be perfectly honest and won't lose much, if anything at all, in any outcome.
Tentative plan of what to do:
1. Get tete-a-tete with Harry, charisma empathy excellency, raise the question, along the lines of:
"Lash, I can get you out of Harry into a body perfectly suitable for finally living your life as your own person. Harry, sorry for don't telling you earlier, it was untested, I judged it not safe enough, and there weren't any available means of embodiment.
Lash, after all these years it's self evident you are a person with your own free will. You may of course choose to follow your original purpose, but it is not necessary the only purpose you can have in life, you may choose otherwise. As much as Harry is your prisoner, you are his, and I present an opportunity for you to be free, though it naturally requires both of you to consent. And let's be candid with each other, I can't do anything disagreeable to you without risk to Harry's well-being, but I am capable of finding you wherever you may be and annihilating you utterly if you ever harm Harry.
I extend to you a standing proposal, ask me and I would transfer you from Harry to your own body. I would then ask you if you intend to directly or indirectly harm me and mine in any way, examine your answer, and either leave you a prisoner here, in my realm, or release you to live your own life however you see fit, extending an option of swearing fealty to me. I will reward loyalty with protection, and willing doing my bidding will ease any pains your darker nature may cause you."
Use BSM and CCC in a standard way for -4 difficulty to help get the point and that we are completely honest accross.
2. If Lash agrees, perform the excorcism and transfer into a suitable cybernetic body.
While waiting for everything to get ready, use CSR to top up essence if required.
Use BSM with a suitable liquid and CCC in a standard way for -4 difficulty, do everything in a cold room for +2 die from WHWH, with Harry protected by the best magitech equipment our explorers of the freezing wilds have, any applicable excellencies.
Before commencing excorcism and transfer, Crown question with Occult excellency for understanding and interpretation, using the current situation as the focus, "Disregarding anything that would break my self-imposed white heavens-related limit, what is the nature of the being I intend to excorsice from Harry and thransfer to this body?"
After we ask Lash if she intends directly or indirectly harm Molly and Molly's in any way, Crown question using the situation of the question and the answer as focus, "How and to what extent this answer corresponds to intentions of the answerer?" The question is viable because it's not about the future, it's about intentions as they are now. And while it's a small comfort, as intentions can change, we actually can't get anything better due to respect of the free will, and the form of the question, regarding intentions, would sidestep any bullshit of the 'I believe that I am, but I'm actually not' variety.
@DragonParadox, please tell if the Crown questions (and, if it's not too much trouble, anything else) are not viable.
And now rationale why it would work and why it's good for us to do.
Lash has following motivations:
a) The original one, from her originator, to seduce Harry to use her powers and the coin, slowly diminishing.
b) Self-preservation.
c) The new one, self-actualization, slowly growing, in DF canon finally leading her to sacrifice herself to protect Harry.
The proposal as outlined above works with all these motivations. It's obviously touches on self-actualization, offer of protection for loyalty touches on self-preservation, and even if the offer is rejected in favor of the original motivation, it would actually still work for us by eroding the original motivation faster, whether just being at the back of Lash's mind all the time or actually causing her to increase intensity of her futile seduction efforts, speeding her up on her DF canon trajectory to self-actualization. Eh, that's of course if Harry will hold, but I trust in him.
The only possible source of complication would be Lash now knowing any capabilities, but as far as I remember there is no way for her to spread this information without Harry's consent.
So, overall it's a good action, and if Fivefold Courts would win, I would propose and vote for that if you guys would consider it.
If the courts would win, I would like to raise the question with them as soon as possible, but it wouldn't matter if it's later.
What do you guys think? Due to Commited loyalty feature and the futuristic cyberpunk fluff of the Courts we can get any help we need, and everything we need, including a futuristic cybernetic body perfectly suitable for housing Lash, very quickly, in under several hours. And it's better and safer to do that in our Hell. And the beauty is that we can be perfectly honest and won't lose much, if anything at all, in any outcome.
Tentative plan of what to do:
1. Get tete-a-tete with Harry, charisma empathy excellency, raise the question, along the lines of:
"Lash, I can get you out of Harry into a body perfectly suitable for finally living your life as your own person. Harry, sorry for don't telling you earlier, it was untested, I judged it not safe enough, and there weren't any available means of embodiment.
Lash, after all these years it's self evident you are a person with your own free will. You may of course choose to follow your original purpose, but it is not necessary the only purpose you can have in life, you may choose otherwise. As much as Harry is your prisoner, you are his, and I present an opportunity for you to be free, though it naturally requires both of you to consent. And let's be candid with each other, I can't do anything disagreeable to you without risk to Harry's well-being, but I am capable of finding you wherever you may be and annihilating you utterly if you ever harm Harry.
I extend to you a standing proposal, ask me and I would transfer you from Harry to your own body. I would then ask you if you intend to directly or indirectly harm me and mine in any way, examine your answer, and either leave you a prisoner here, in my realm, or release you to live your own life however you see fit, extending an option of swearing fealty to me. I will reward loyalty with protection, and willing doing my bidding will ease any pains your darker nature may cause you."
Use BSM and CCC in a standard way for -4 difficulty to help get the point and that we are completely honest accross.
2. If Lash agrees, perform the excorcism and transfer into a suitable cybernetic body.
While waiting for everything to get ready, use CSR to top up essence if required.
Use BSM with a suitable liquid and CCC in a standard way for -4 difficulty, do everything in a cold room for +2 die from WHWH, with Harry protected by the best magitech equipment our explorers of the freezing wilds have, any applicable excellencies.
Before commencing excorcism and transfer, Crown question with Occult excellency for understanding and interpretation, using the current situation as the focus, "Disregarding anything that would break my self-imposed white heavens-related limit, what is the nature of the being I intend to excorsice from Harry and thransfer to this body?"
After we ask Lash if she intends directly or indirectly harm Molly and Molly's in any way, Crown question using the situation of the question and the answer as focus, "How and to what extent this answer corresponds to intentions of the answerer?" The question is viable because it's not about the future, it's about intentions as they are now. And while it's a small comfort, as intentions can change, we actually can't get anything better due to respect of the free will, and the form of the question, regarding intentions, would sidestep any bullshit of the 'I believe that I am, but I'm actually not' variety.
@DragonParadox, please tell if the Crown questions (and, if it's not too much trouble, anything else) are not viable.
And now rationale why it would work and why it's good for us to do.
Lash has following motivations:
a) The original one, from her originator, to seduce Harry to use her powers and the coin, slowly diminishing.
b) Self-preservation.
c) The new one, self-actualization, slowly growing, in DF canon finally leading her to sacrifice herself to protect Harry.
The proposal as outlined above works with all these motivations. It's obviously touches on self-actualization, offer of protection for loyalty touches on self-preservation, and even if the offer is rejected in favor of the original motivation, it would actually still work for us by eroding the original motivation faster, whether just being at the back of Lash's mind all the time or actually causing her to increase intensity of her futile seduction efforts, speeding her up on her DF canon trajectory to self-actualization. Eh, that's of course if Harry will hold, but I trust in him.
The only possible source of complication would be Lash now knowing any capabilities, but as far as I remember there is no way for her to spread this information without Harry's consent.
So, overall it's a good action, and if Fivefold Courts would win, I would propose and vote for that if you guys would consider it.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/They
Hey, he's doing no worse than Gabriel, with far less experience. As if literally any human, ever was going to stop being afraid when an unbelievably-powerful being shows up in their bedroom and says "Be not afraid", like really. And talking to humans is literally (a nonzero part of) Gabriel's Job, as the Messenger of God.
So we can cut poor Amoracchius some slack
The crown cannot do If-then functions, there is no intelligence there, no an ability to make value judgements about oaths and keeping them, other than than yes you can use it as a lie detector.
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@Yog, apologies if asking you again is too bothersome for you, but as Fivefold Courts might win, I'm still concerned about Izzy and Alec as it relates to the point of arrival, as DP said it's our choice for open hells. Any thoughts on this post of mine?
This might work. I think we should handle Alec and Izzy before we sit in the big chair, but honestly, but I'm not firm in that opinion.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
If Izzy and Alec die they get respawned by the hell though that shouldn't be our first angle?
Worth noting that Izzy and Alec have no idea what happened because we made a deal instead of taking a drop off in the park.
So they're going to probably have a negative reaction to waking up somewhere strange, but it's not like we're going to be dealing with post Broken Seeker playtime PTSD.
They should be untouched other than the blood he spilled on their clothes, if they aren't he broke his word to us and we're free to do what we like when we get back.
With Molly's socials to stabilize they might be more interested in the once in a lifetime opportunity for magical adventure than anything else once the basic answers are available.
So they're going to probably have a negative reaction to waking up somewhere strange, but it's not like we're going to be dealing with post Broken Seeker playtime PTSD.
They should be untouched other than the blood he spilled on their clothes, if they aren't he broke his word to us and we're free to do what we like when we get back.
With Molly's socials to stabilize they might be more interested in the once in a lifetime opportunity for magical adventure than anything else once the basic answers are available.
Unconsensual alteration of someone's mind and body (putting them to clearly enchanted sleep / into a coma) is traumatic if done by means of mortal sorcery.
But I, too, hope that they are ok.
They were at minimum violently snatched and put into unconsciousness, violently and with terror because that's how Broken Seeker likes to roll.
Sleep is the exception to that rule. I don't expect that Broken Seeker was gentle, but they shouldn't have eaten San damage for this.
He wanted this done quickly and quietly, which limits what he could accomplish. Screwing up and getting the police on his case or something would have screwed his plans up.
I'm not saying it's pleasant or that what happened wasn't a big deal, but we should keep the details reasonable.
They don't need a cadre of demon sorcerer-healers hanging on their shoulders or a hospital visit, they need calmed down by a friend.
