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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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What is that going to do to our reputation, though?
If we clearly can't keep those close to us safe, why should people trust us with their well-being?
If they know that we fucked around and found out with a Naagloshii and our friends paid the price because of our failure, that could put a hefty black mark on our metaphorical record of being able to do what we claim.
If we fuck up at all here, it will have long-term consequences, even outside of our own guilt and other trauma.
 
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TonedMite said:
What is that going to do to our reputation, though?
If we clearly can't keep those close to us safe, why should people trust us with their well-being?
If they know that we fucked around and found out with a Naagloshii and our friends pay the price, that could put a hefty black mark on our metaphorical record of being able to do what we claim.
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We didn't FAFO, though. We were minding our own business and it decided to butt in where it wasn't wanted. It's the one that is going to FAFO at the end of the day. Now it gets to be another object lesson for everyone else.

No one in the supernatural community actually expects 100% protection from their faction, not unless you are literally the pinnacle power of that faction, and by that point your own strength protects you. Otherwise, there is always someone out there who has the confidence or stupidity to think they can prey on others from an opposing faction. We can't protect our people from every threat, we can merely reduce the pool of those willing to target our people through the threat of absolute violence. How many we have to kill, and how gruesome some of those ends must be before the message spreads sufficiently, is the real question here.
 
uju32 said:
This is not an either/or situation.
And no, he doesnt lose all leverage. How many people are there in Cauldron? Or in Last Station?
What of Rosie?
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I can't agree with you here. If he kills the hostages there is nothing stopping Molly from killing him and all who attacked her friends.
So, we really should try Taken monologue here, because all of it is true in Molly's case, and, what is more important, Broken Seeker knows it.

UPD.: What seems to be the crux of our discussion here is that whether the naagloshi knows that Molly is in Chicago: if he doesn't, it means Molly will loose initiative negotiating with him, while if he does, it seems like a good tactic. Maybe we should spend Essence on the Crown question about it, using the ringing phone as a focus?
 
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What is that going to do to our reputation, though?
If we clearly can't keep those close to us safe, why should people trust us with their well-being?
If they know that we fucked around and found out with a Naagloshii and our friends paid the price because of our failure, that could put a hefty black mark on our metaphorical record of being able to do what we claim.
If we fuck up at all here, it will have long-term consequences, even outside of our own guilt and other trauma.
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There is a reason why I expect we would need to attempt if not a genocide, then at least a decimation of North American [edit] naagloshii [/edit] population as retribution for what is happening here. Point is, unless we empower all our friends (possible, but very resource intensive), they are always going to be in danger. And we cannot provide them 100% protection. The best thing we can provide is disproportionate retribution.
 
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Yog said:
There is a reason why I expect we would need to attempt if not a genocide, then at least a decimation of North American [edit] naagloshii [/edit] population as retribution for what is happening here. Point is, unless we empower all our friends (possible, but very resource intensive), they are always going to be in danger. And we cannot provide them 100% protection. The best thing we can provide is disproportionate retribution.
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I don't think that we can currently manage that in any sort of reasonable amount of time without using one of our Mab favors.

Unless maybe we could create a naagloshii hunting arcane construct? Maybe a sort of horror made out of this ones body which kills naagloshii to make more of itself.
 
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fictionfan said:
I don't think that we can currently manage that in any sort of reasonable amount of time without using one of our Mab favors.

Unless maybe we could create a naagloshii hunting arcane construct? Maybe a sort of horror made out of this ones body which kills naagloshii to make more of itself.
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It actually wouldn't be that hard. Molly is incredibly scary on the attack as is. Couple more charms, and I think this goal is very achievable
 
Cavalar said:
Probably, there are still loyal ones, plus those who just minding their own business.
Edit: I am not trying to go for the moral high ground here or something, but I'm firmly against collective punishment.
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Collective punishment isn't a good plan, but to be clear Naagloshii are like the little league equivalent of the Fallen in the Denarian coins.

None of them are good people, most are explicitly sadists who enjoy nothing more than destroying and defiling the world and people around them.
TonedMite said:
What is that going to do to our reputation, though?
If we clearly can't keep those close to us safe, why should people trust us with their well-being?
If they know that we fucked around and found out with a Naagloshii and our friends paid the price because of our failure, that could put a hefty black mark on our metaphorical record of being able to do what we claim.
If we fuck up at all here, it will have long-term consequences, even outside of our own guilt and other trauma.
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Rep damage isn't a super huge concern here. Everyone loses sometime after all.

I don't think we need some epic quest to regain our honor if something goes wrong, but getting revenge on this guy if he escapes would be valid later on.

fictionfan said:
The key point was time. How many naagloshii do you figure that we can hunt down per AP?
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These guys aren't pushovers, treating them like we can nab them by the AP is unwise.
 
Yeah, I'd assume that any given Naagloshii would be at least as difficult to fight as Broken Seeker will be, and dramatically more so if on their home turf.
So, in other words, a boss battle.
 
TonedMite said:
Yeah, I'd assume that any given Naagloshii would be at least as difficult to fight as Broken Seeker will be, and dramatically more so if on their home turf.
So, in other words, a boss battle.
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We wouldn't fight one on its home turf. We craft up artillery and blow it's lair to kingdom come until it comes out to argue.
 
fictionfan said:
We wouldn't fight one on its home turf. We craft up artillery and blow it's lair to kingdom come until it comes out to argue.
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My concern is the ranges that would potentially be required from said artillery, and how much attention firing off said artillery would draw.
Just how large of an area is a Naagloshii's home turf?
 
[X] Answer the phone the next time it calls, get some answers as to what Broken Seeker wants before engaging, maybe you can shake him up
-[X]Give Harry some of your hair to track you, just in case
-[X]Have Clippy pull up a map of the local electrical substations for Chicago, find the one for the local district, fly over and HMP a key transformer: 1m
 
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Because actions speak louder than words and it's actions demand a loud response. Also it's easier and less risky.
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Our response isn't the first step in our plan, it's the whole thing.

Also, aren't you effectively giving ground to them on this entire encounter?

You're already pivoting to revenge killings against guys BS probably hates anyways, which doesn't seem like a very confident position to me.

They're not any more dead in one route than the other, why not add an extra layer to help us attempt to manipulate the situation? Either it helps and we use whatever we find out, or it doesn't and we fight them anyway.
 
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I remain baffled that this skinwalker is here for Dresden and is willing to get into a cage match with Molly for whatever he wants. You'd think immortal predators would be more cautious, so I definitely wanna know why he's decided that Dresden needs to get wrecked.

Seriously, this guy has had enough time and intel to know there is a significant chance of him dying to Molly like everybody else who's tried to pick a fight, and what's worse Molly's limits haven't exactly been shown by any of her fights. She's been wounded but never really pushed to the brink, and hasn't visibly seemed to have ever been in a position where she'd have to go all out, considering how quickly heavy hitters like the Will and the Walker died once they got smacked by her turbomode/glowy sword.

So this skinwalker is picking a fight with someone who's visibly displayed a monstrous level of combat prowess, who hasn't ever been grievously wounded even by her heavyweight foes, and who has a Knight for a dad and a Wizard for a friend.

It's more likely the skinwalker dies in Chicago than he succeeds at his plans from what I can tell, so I want to hear his spiel at the very least.

Edit: honestly, the level of supernatural foes that Molly has buzzsawed through in the past few months should give her the kind of reputation that makes immortals leave the country for a hundred years until she dies of old age (spoiler: that ain't the right move), yet still we get challengers coming to square up.

The Walker is forgiven because he came for the only right reason, a good fight, but this skinwalker is about to get made Example #3 for why immortals shouldn't piss off (seemingly) mortals with the capability to kill immortals and little reason to hold back. Hopefully third time's the charm and everybody will make the wrong decision to wait for Molly to weaken/die of old age, or at least give us some more time to build up.
 
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