I think the last time they belonged to Monoc didn't they? They did not leave you any, that is not how they work.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I think the last time they belonged to Monoc didn't they? They did not leave you any, that is not how they work.
Harry could probably grab the teargas from the police under the veil if we tell him where it is. Broken Seeker doesn't know we're back in town yet, so we've got a bit of time.
That said, can we use MHM in RVD form? It'd be easier if we could use the earlier thimbleful of water idea without risking the pixie.
You can but in a limited sense, you can use it to blow yourselves out of a bottle, but not use the full on juggle cars function of it. The problem is Molly does not have enough of a coherent anima in RVD.
Can she at least carry the bottle with it, ie fly?
Rough outline:
[]Plan Chemical Warfare
-[]Use Harry's veil to infiltrate the police station and steal a few canisters of tear gas.
If we can move the bottle:
-[]RVD yourself into the liquid tear gas, then fly in through the van window and burst out.
If we can't:
-[] Use Harry's veil as a crown focus for a question "How can this be improved to hide magical emanations from the senses of a naagloshii known as Broken Seeker"
--[] Use Occult Excellency to better explain the results to Harry
-[] Fly with Harry under veil to the top of the van, RVD into the tear gas, then have Harry use force to blast the bottle through the top of the van and burst out.
Fun fact, most types of tear gas are aerosols, ie liquids, not actually gas. This means it's both a valid medium for RVD and BSM and we can't be harmed by it.
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They've been isolated in this little murder cult for years. I doubt they're connected enough to society as a whole for blackmail to really work. Like so what if they had gambling debts or a drug problem beforehand?
Four wolves? holy shit how it anyone breathing. The wolves would likely have to lie on top of each other in a typical van's backspace even without accounting for the unconscious humans. The birds better be chickadees if they want to be able to fly around this space. Legit I think we could have the van drive off a bridge with Izzy n Co being cushioned from how stuffed the back of the van is.
Like here's a wolf (potentially dog/wolf crossbred so actual wolf could be even bigger) comparison for scale.
GMC Savanna 3500 Long Wheel Base
It'll fit.
As long as all the birds are falcon size instead of vultures.
Cramped though.
Essence expenditure.
We cant afford to blow too much Essence on ancillaries before a proper fight with a lesser god.
Thats the immediate flaw in Yog's plan I can see.
1)The van is driving randomly around Chicago downtown.
Harry would need advance knowledge he doesnt have to have the time to set up a magic circle ahead of the van.
Not to mention that the middle of the street in Chicago downtown is not an empty place, even on a Saturday night.
2)We dont have any of those; that was Einherjar shit iirc.
Plus, using flashbangs in a confined area like that can kill. And the weakest people are the hostages.
You are having Molly spend at least 2m of Essence there, possibly more.
Essence budget may be an issue for her, given that the canon naagloshii customarily fought under a veil, which means we are looking at anywhere from 5-7m just to power up before combat (Shintai 2 + ATB 1 + Hellscry 1 + VLE 1 + Steelskin 1 + MHM 1), not counting Excellencies in combat.
Harry has already spent 2WP and we havent gotten in combat yet.
I suggest we probably shouldnt be trying to teach him a new trick and expect him to perform it immediately.
Time pressure. We're already on a clock, and we cant keep refusing the call indefinitely.
Solid Snake-ing an unknown police station and breaking into its armory to steal tear gas is not exactly something you can do quickly at short notice. Nor is breaking into the armory without being noticed or triggering alarms.
Then the mechanics of flying with Harry and suddenly RVDing into a bottle leaves him attempting to fly without wings at car speeds.
Not great.
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Actually just occurred to me:
IS Harry actually allowed to kill lesser skinwalkers? Yes, they now count as CoDs, but are they still mortal enough that the provisions against killing mortals with magic still apply?
Actually just occurred to me:
IS Harry actually allowed to kill lesser skinwalkers? Yes, they now count as CoDs, but are they still mortal enough that the provisions against killing mortals with magic still apply?
They are at least as divorced from humanity as a White Court Vampire. Molly is not entirely sure why those are 'fine' to kill, but if they are these should too.
Solid Snake-ing gets a lot faster when you already know the layout of the place you're infiltrating, can control the electronic locks at will, know where the keys to the analogue ones are, and are actually invisible. And that's assuming we can't just get Murphy to hand us a bottle or two, I'm not sure how close an eye they keep on who takes them.
And the plan was to leave Harry clinging to the roof of the van, which, while he's still not in a great position, means he'll have a second to react to bring up his shield when the van starts swerving.
That thing's tanked far worse than a car crash.
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Lot of sensitive ears in that van, if we do HMP it would they be vulnerable to the cyber devil tormenting them like a grade schooler using a dog whistle for recorder practice?
Any more than a mortal would be anyway.
Any more than a mortal would be anyway.
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Fair, but I'm thinking less comfort and more "does anyone have the elbow room to actually fight?" Like if the birds can't get their full wing span and then some, theyre kinda stuck trying to like awkwardly peck while the wolves have their faces in each other's floofy butts if they try to lunge bite.
The idea is more that if it comes down to a fight everyone pours out and raises hell in the busy street, the first can fly out the windows, the wolves can run though the back and go into hybrid form. The ones who would have the most trouble would be the humans in the front, but those are necessary to drive... and to guard the driver from subtle or subversive influences.
The secrets of veil improvement and avoiding naagloshii senses should count for essence renewal. @DragonParadox any comment on this? Not a yes/no, but in terms of probabilities.
Essence budget is going to be tight, yes, but it (stopping the car) still remains the best option. Calling naagloshii on the phone is a bad idea - it gives away the element of surprise we have. If we want to talk, we need it where his followers can hear - they are far more likely to be convinced to abandon the cause, if nothing else because DPE works against them.
Ah random theory is the divide to be to divorced from humanity, be able to get an exaltation.
Fair enough.
1)We cant do any of that stuff though?
The layout and defenses of most police stations arent online; you can find the building plans, but not whats installed where. We dont know which, if any doors have electronic locks (its 2006, not 2023) and even if we did we cant afford to spend Essence spamming HMP into all of them when we might have to fight in half an hour.
2)His shield has not tanked worse and expected him to remain combat capable though.
3)Consider the sequence of events here.
You want to overfly a moving vehicle, then have Harry blow a hole through the top of the van into an interior where the squishiest people are hostages lying on the floor in the path of the blast or any shrapnel. And then have Harry cling to the roof of that van thats moving at car speeds, with a startled driver who is responding in alarm.
I dont think that course of action is survivable. For Harry or for our friends.
Not to mention that since Harry appears to be the primary target of the naagloshii, dangling him above its jaws like a juicy morsel is contraindicated. He certainly shouldnt leave Michael's side and the reach of Amoracchius.
My two cents.
No idea.
I havent gone back to recheck what our Essence pool should be since leaving the NeverNever.
There's a reasonable chance that it isnt a secret, just something that Harry hasnt actually invested any effort in.
Or it might just be a more practice issue.
I dont feel its worth the risk.
QM has previously suggested that we talk to it.
And all things considered, I agree. Molly is still Empathy 5, and Perception is a Key Ability for her.
Odds are she'll get more out of the conversation than it will.
1. Did... did you just forget that Murphy exists? She can draw us a map.
2. Pretty sure he got a car dropped on him and shrugged it off in Dead Beat. He'll be fine. Though he only needs to if we can't fly in bottle form, which I still haven't got an answer on. On the other hand...
3. The hostages being endangered are a fair point. Do you think we have time to brew up a few escape potions for them to get them out of the way? If we can teleport them out we can use HMP to lock the van doors to keep the Skinwalkers from escaping and kill them all.
@DragonParadox can our friends can swallow at the moment due to being unconscious? If they can't, can we make injectable versions of potions?
Swallowing is an autonomous reflex, it can be done while unconscious, that is one of the reason for the myth of swallowing spiders while asleep.
The last count put us at 10 motes, I think, two updates ago.
I definitely agree that we should talk to it. I am just saying that we should talk to it in the manner that lets its subordinates here. Hopefully this would neutralize, if not outright flip, at least some of them.
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If we speak to him on the phone, most of the minions in the van are probably going to overhear the conversation. IIRC, the speakers in old analog flip phones back in 2006 were quite respectable even when not using the speakerphone option, plus most of them are in forms that have significantly enhanced senses.
It still gives up surprise. Stop the van, then, while still hidden, talk to naagloshii.
1) Murphy doesn't have a map of every station in the city, and is unlikely to facilitate us robbing one.
2) He got a car dropped on him while focusing on nothing else and it basically tapped him out for the rest of the fight.
3) Time. The longer we wait the bigger issue we have with them moving to a new plan.
We should have something cooking before we do something like call, but acting like BS will keep circling the city like a video game event waiting to trigger while we run around town is the same mistake that got us in trouble with the will of Kakuri.
Our wiggle room from the nevernever crossing sleight of hand is rapidly dwindling.
The way I see it we basically have just enough time and hands to set up a no frills ambush and pick up a card or two to have up our sleeves during social combat. We probably can't warn him off completely, but being able to imply we're digging deep into his business is leverage for getting him to slip up.
1) Asking Murphy asks her to breach a confidence.
Furthermore, according to the City of Chicago, there are at least 23 police stations in Chicago; Murphy cannot possibly have detailed knowledge of more than one or two. She certainly doesnt have riot gear access.
2) In Dead Beat, Dresden was the one who dropped the car on Cowl, and he was exhausted afterwards.
The biggest durability feat his shields have shown(that I remember) was in White Night, when the Deeps were blown up and blasted him out of the area; he needed preptime, and only managed it because he was being supercharged by Lara kissing him, and he was in no shape for combat afterwards either.
TLDR Dresden's shields are not that tanky, and major exertions currently leave him incapable of further action.
Not what you want when a naagloshii apparently has him on its shopping list.
3) I dont think we can reasonably plan for anything that requires preptime in excess of a couple minutes. And potions take hours to brew. Not to mention that trying to administer a potion in the middle of a van full of 13 shapeshifters is asking more than is reasonable for even Molly.
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I'll try and find time to go back and check.
Wrong sequence.
If you stop the van, and then try to talk, you are essentially telling him that we know where he is, and give him warning to deploy his troops as a precaution. What happens if he demands we step out into the open or he begins to take off body parts?
What if he says something in the convo that completely changes our approach?
Dont take detectable/suspicious action until and unless you are willing to follow through if necessary.
ALL the way through.