Would you Distort or manifest EGO?


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Provided, I actually want to hear more from him regarding how he leads the Ensemble.

That was one of the main reasoning behind befriending him (outside of X doubting whether she can easily beat Argalia or not).

We haven't gotten the time to listen to the man on "On the Fly bullshittery" lessons for dealing with a group of distortions.

We probably should sign up on that, given that we have 2 Distorted kids (Technically 4 if we include Argalia and Leonia) and a bunch more coming once we deal with the Adult.

Argalia's plan is MUCH better then "let's realize a lot of holywood's radiation to the City and lets see what will be"
: Don't double post little bug. You can just re-edit your previous comment.
: Also, HAH! As if. There's a reason why even dear Carmen follows my plan! It's PERFECT!!
: I'm muting you.
 
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Argalia's plan makes sense, I can safely say. It's a product of the Carmen mindset that a Distortion is better off then a regular human...

Which to be fair is kind of true in some cases. If Pluto hadn't Distorted he'd be dead and buried.

Adam's plan in the other side is... Wesker-esque? More social-darwinist bunk involving the purity and superiority of Abnormalities then the more genuine idea of mass Distortion.

I think that X stands to gain a lot by understanding Argalia.

So...

[X] Argalia
We have confirmation that the Head would have shut down you plan, and shut it down HARD. Unless your plan was to give the Head all exclusive rights and access to L-Corps. Singularity (a.k.a. Carmen herself), then good going, it would have worked.
Being fair to Adam, the Head 100% has access to the Singularity of L-Corp. There is absolutely no way they don't know it, considering, you know, Wing. And energy provider to the entire City.
 
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[X] Kyubey
[X] Cloning Machines


I'm not sure X would gain much from understanding someone who is essentially Adam lite while figuring out how to increase Kyubey's exposure sounds interesting. I also want to know what he has been up to, it's been a while.

As for the second vote I would like to figure out [CENSORED]'s sapling but I have a feeling it will be more involved than that.
 
They would not. Remember, Kyubey sees humanity the same way we see cattle, and is fully willing to see us go extinct if there a big enough payoff for doing so. Argalia, on the other hand, want humanity to survive, if not in the same state we consider humanity to be 'human', so to speak.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Lepidoptera on Jul 26, 2023 at 1:41 AM, finished with 22 posts and 12 votes.


I'd rather not draw out this vote, so I'm just going to go with Kyubey since he's listed first on the tally and because Argalia already had an interaction earlier today.
 
2.4.4 - Just Everyday Things
Chapter 127 - Just Everyday Things

Despite a somewhat rocky start, your conference with Hitomi's parents goes well once you've confirmed exactly what kind of people they are. The Shizukis aren't bad people, and you would even go so far as to call them acceptable parents, but they have flaws like anyone else. And some people's flaws are more dominant in their decision-making process. For the Shizukis, that flaw happens to be an excessive desire to conform to cultural standards and be seen as exemplary within them. It's a simple compulsion, but unfortunately one that tends to feed itself as time goes on. Their respect for you goes from almost zero to surprisingly high rather quickly once they get the impression that you're a person of importance. Haruka seems desperate for help, a laudable desire for any parent, but the way she went from cold and haughty to obeisant really rubs you the wrong way. Asahi isn't much better, approaching the whole thing like a business deal. Nevertheless, you aren't here to play therapist. You're here to deliver information.

As it turns out, proving the existence of magic and sufficiently advanced technology is very easy when you can visibly perform both. From there, it's just a matter of explaining all the key details in a way that doesn't prompt the Shizukis to panic and do something foolish. A tenuous proposition to be sure, but not beyond your scope of abilities. Especially after having the Kanames as a practice round. Hitomi's parents aren't exactly the same paragons of understanding that Madoka's are, but you also don't have to juggle the implications of allowing their daughter onto a battlefield, so it all evens out in the end. Without anything to discuss regarding the ongoing threats to Mitakihara besides a recommendation to keep a beach house in a foreign country in mind to leave to if it comes to it, all that's left is Hitomi.

"If this aberration-"

"Abnormality." you correct on instinct.

"-is the cause of Hitomi's unwellness, can't you simply produce a cure? If your technology is really so advanced." Haruka asks in a strained voice.

"It's more complicated than that." you explain flatly. "For one thing, the poison Hitomi was afflicted with is a sort of super-opiate. Even with all the difficulties of correcting the effects it has on brain chemistry, the memories of the experience can still lead to an addiction persisting. More importantly, though," you continue, your voice steadily lowering. "Is the fact that she has already been 'cured' as much as is possible. The poison is out of her system, its lingering effects have been dispelled, and Madoka was able to treat the withdrawal before you even returned from your trip. Any further symptoms Hitomi is experiencing are psychological, not physiological."

Asahi frowns. "Hitomi's fine. There's been no history of mental illness on either side of the family, so there's no reason she should have anything wrong with her. Once this all blows over, everything will go back to normal."

"I'm not talking about mental illnesses here. I'm just proposing that the expectations placed in your daughter in combination with the derision she is facing for something she has no fault in would be stressful for anyone." you explain. The father scoffs.

"What do you want us to do? I wish I could simply dismiss all these rumors about my daughter in an instant, but that isn't possible."

"I would suggest a therapist, honestly. She has her friends to support her at school, and you can do the same at home, but talking with a professional rarely makes things worse." you propose calmly. Honestly, that advice goes for a lot of people you know.

Asahi looks skeptical. Haruka, on the other hand, seems actively amused by the suggestion. "Hitomi's a strong girl, you know. She never needed anything like that before. Surely it would only worsen things to further stain her reputation like that?"

You want to snap back at the clear fallacy. Asking for help isn't weakness. It shouldn't be seen as a stain to somebody's reputation to seek aid when you need it. How is Hitomi supposed to feel better if nothing's done about it?

But you can't. The Shizukis won't suddenly become better parents after one conversation, and you would break down whatever goodwill you built during this conversation. You're an outsider, and trying to push your way into Hitomi's family and fix what you see as wrong would do more harm than good. There's nothing you can do from this end of things.

"It's only a suggestion." you say with a weary sigh, sitting up from your chair. "Now, I must be on my way. I have a lot of work to do, after all."

At least she'll still have her friends to rely on.

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When you arrive back at the apartment, you very nearly run into Kyoko as she steps out the door. The red-haired girl stumbles from the surprise of your sudden appearance, but quickly catches herself.

"Sorry. I wasn't looking where I was going." Kyoko mutters. You shake your head.

"It's my fault for showing up literally out of nowhere. That said, what's got you in such a rush?" you ask.

Kyoko's eyes dart to the sides for a moment, then turns back to you. "I'm going hunting. There's not much else for me to do around here."

"Oh? Finished your study prep already?" you say. You know homework is boring, especially to somebody who hasn't had any for the past several years. But it's important for establishing skills, especially for a person who needs to make up for lost time.

Kyoko must notice the doubt in your words, because there's a note of indignation in her voice when she responds. "Yeah. I'm done with today's work and didn't want to waste any time."

"It's literally the middle of the day. You know you aren't going to find many Witches around here about now even with this massive rise in population density?" Not only that, but Grief Seeds aren't really a limited resource for you anymore. Two teams of vastly superior fighters with above-typical sensing abilities in an area with far, far more Witches than anyone else in the world are able to build up a stock rather quickly. On top of that, hatching Seeds can be slain over and over again to reuse them. You might have to start handing them to Kyubey or just not using them after a fourth or fifth use just to be safe, but with the current stock you have spread between only Mami and Sayaka that won't be happening any time soon.

"I know," Kyoko says. "I just feel like I need to be doing something. It's easy to just follow a familiar habit, y'know?"

A part of you wants to stop her from wandering off on her own. But at the same time, what's the real risk? If you didn't trust Kyoko to keep her powers in check you wouldn't be keeping her in the same house as two other children. You've already established that there probably won't be any Witches out right now. Even if there were, Kyoko was hunting alone for years even before she was a living inferno who could literally burn monsters to death just by standing in the same room as them. Ironically, you don't need to treat her like she's made of glass when it comes to this.

You shrug in acceptance and offer a quick "Happy hunting, then. Good luck." Kyoko grins, and it is the smile of the Kyoko you've only ever seen in memories and illusions, the Kyoko you've never met.

The Kyoko who was Mami's sister.

"I've never needed luck before. But thanks anyways."

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"Kyubey?"

"Do you need something?"

Without fail, the alien's proxy body of indeterminate species appears the moment you call out for it, sitting on the desk you're using in Mami's room and staring at the sketches you've made.

"This machine is designed to manipulate cellular replication." it observes. You nod.

"Yep, though this is only one design. I've already run things through a few specifications, so now it's just a matter of which materials can be procured the fastest." you explain. Time isn't quite of the essence, but you prefer to solve any issues that arise swiftly. It stops problems from piling up when done successfully, though doing things fast hasn't really been possible here in Mitakihara.

As a result, your mission to restore Nothing There's victims to proper bodies has fallen by the wayside in the name of more pressing tasks. The Library can sustain them indefinitely, but they can't leave and at least some have to have families that would miss them or lives to get back to. Otherwise, it'd be far too depressing.

Regardless, full-body clone replacement seems the most effective solution to you. You don't even have to design anything, since the process is common enough in the City for Ayin to have learned more than one way to do it. Soul Gems make the process significantly easier, letting you just stick the person's mind back in the body without all the messy brain surgery and moving of people's spinal cords and all. The only hurdle is materials.

Cloning an entire person from nothing but genetic information is a feat. Actually, that's an understatement. It's difficult beyond what most people have words to explain. Even with all your knowledge, you're only halfway to a solution. Because all of these machines will need to be made. And that means they will need parts. Esoteric, rare parts that are illegal to own, let alone purchase in this world. This would be a significant roadblock. Would be, were it not for a particular individual.

"Say, which of these designs to you think is most efficient here? Mostly in terms of construction time, but growth speed is important too."

"The fourth machine would be the third quickest to bring to full function and has the highest growth speed. Overall, it will be superior for large batches." Kyubey answers helpfully, its voice a total monotone in contrast to the bright, unchanging smile plastered onto its proxy body.

"Right. Four it is, then. Say, would it be too much to ask for you to get some of these materials delivered for me? I'd rather not be arrested for unlawful possession of radium." you joke, though your request is earnest.

"It can be done without much difficulty. The materials for the design should arrive in a few days." Kyubey answers blankly. You pause from your planning and blink at the ferret-cat-thing.

"Really? Just like that? No favors in exchange or anything?"

"It's more efficient to work with you and suffer minor expenses in the name of that relationship than it is to try and do what you're doing alone." Kyubey explains, never once breaking their cold, logical drone. "Besides, observing your work is useful. It's been predicted that integration of the displayed concepts could raise overall efficiency by between six point nine three four and seven point four five five percent overall."

Having inherited memories of a man who ran the City's largest energy providing company and then run that company yourself, you know what a seven percent overall increase means. Still, it's funnier to you to cross your arms, pout, and say "Seven percent? Is that all you could get out of me?"

Kyubey seems to understand that you were joking, because they move on without acknowledging your jest. "Additionally, combating Abnormality presence has been unsuccessful without your assistance. Unless a large amount of energy were to be expended, they would remain as interfering factors."

Ah, mutual enemies. A tale as old as time. In the end, you don't expect your little alliance with Kyubey to last forever. You're both using one another to get what you want, and the moment that stops being possible you'll be opposed, if not outright enemies. Even if the Incubators weren't interested in unraveling the secrets of your entropy-violating sciences, you would oppose them and their whole meat grinder of a system on principle. You can rely on the Incubators to do whatever benefits them most, and once the other Abnormalities are gone your alliance will no longer have benefits outweighing the negatives. Likewise, you'll have nothing left between you and tearing their whole empire to shreds. It would make a nice parting gift for the kids before you disappear.

Yes, Kyubey is only a resource you can exploit for as long as you can be exploited. But until then…

"By the way, I've got a few ideas I want you to look over. Just to see if you have any suggestions."

…you're going to make sure you get a lot more out of this alliance than the Incubators do.

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Plans For Kamihama
[] Communication Plans

- Kyubey cannot reach into Kamihame, and so telepathy won't function inside the city limits. That doesn't mean staying in contact will be impossible.
[] Barrier Plans
- You already have a way to sneak yourself and others into Kamihama, but it's good to have redundancies. If you could somehow interfere with the Barrier Kamihama is set up in, you could disguise your entry points.
[] Information Plans
- The dimensional layering on Kamihama along with its various obscuring enchantments have left its contents concealed. While you do have some reports on the interior, they'll be outdated by the time the attack starts. If you could see further in, you'd have more options and know what to expect
[] Write-in.

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Der Freischütz's Sapling - Observation Level 2/3
Porccubus' Sapling - Observation Level 2/3
Schadenfreude's Sapling - Observation Level 1/3
CENSORED's Sapling - Observation Level EXPUNGED/REDACTED

What is there to really say? A war is coming, and you'd best be prepared.
 
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Nevertheless, you aren't here to play therapist. You're here to deliver information.

Ten thousand years at playing therapist, I can imagine there are some lingering habits. :V

Hitomi's parents are exactly the same paragons of understanding that Madoka's are, but you also don't have to juggle the implications of allowing their daughter onto a battlefield

I think you meant *aren't* at the beginning?

"What do you want us to do? I wish I could simply dismiss all these rumors about my daughter in an instant, but that isn't possible."

Unfortunately, that is true, you can't dismiss the rumors.

However, you can help your daughter in other ways.

Asahi looks skeptical. Haruka, on the other hand, seems actively amused by the suggestion. "Hitomi's a strong girl, you know. She never needed anything like that before. Surely it would only worsen things to further stain her reputation like that?"

You want to snap back at the clear fallacy. Asking for help isn't weakness. It shouldn't be seen as a stain to somebody's reputation to seek aid when you need it. How is Hitomi supposed to feel better if nothing's done about it?

Welcome to Japan! If you want the reasons for the very high suicide rate, look no further, you have one right there!

You shrug in acceptance and offer a quick "Happy hunting, then. Good luck." Kyoko grins, and it is the smile of the Kyoko you've only ever seen in memories and illusions, the Kyoko you've never met.

The Kyoko who was Mami's sister.

"I've never needed luck before. But thanks anyways."

This is something she can do, something she is good at, no wonder it makes her best side appear.

the person's mind back in the body without all the messy brain surgery and moving of people's spinal cords and all.

Binah: "But that's the best part!"

In the end, you don't expect your little alliance with Kyubey to last forever.

Well, not with the global, unable to have emotions part, but the rogue elements who are helping young girls... I hope we meet one, and they ask for our help.

Oh, and I just thought: When were we supposed to go see Binah with Madoka? It was today or tomorrow, no?

As for the vote right now:

We just got an interlude who showed that there are potential allies inside in Minou and maybe her family. The problem is that we both can't learn this in advance IC, and that we can't be sure Ayin would convince Minou to work with us.

We however knows from Leonie that the girls insides are not all perfectly ok with what the Adult really wants, and in fact some are being manipulated by lack of information, if we can get as much of the global workings before coming in, we might be able to use that to convince some of them. This has the added bonus of potentially working on Minou.

At the end of the day, I do think that information is the biggest thing to get. Now, how do we do that?
 
It was today or tomorrow, no?
Probably after the Witch Bomb.
We wouldn't want to delay it even more.

At the end of the day, I do think that information is the biggest thing to get. Now, how do we do that?
: Extremely simple my child! Just unveil your magnificent self and smash that insignificant barrier flat!
: You don't need to worry about traps or enemies! In fact! You might even get more allies afterward!


Adam might be stupid but isn't too wrong. We do have Big Bird's eyes, so using it to look into the barrier isn't a bad idea.

Another one is the God Delusion (Pale) eye, but that one is more for murder than it is for scouting.
 
Except we already did that, that's what we were doing when we met Argalia, we have to find something else to get more infos.
We can use it to find ways to look into the barrier more. Back then we were more focused on scouting the perimeters and finding either Argalia or Judgement Bird.

This time we are going to scout Kamihama itself and not just the surrounding.
 
Wait, can't we use Sound of a Star to essentially become immaterial by bending space around us?
Can't we just do that + Big Bird to essentially become an untouchable observer?
 
A part of you wants to stop her from wandering off on her own. But at the same time, what's the real risk?
"I've never needed luck before. But thanks anyways."
If she comes back, then the Adult has got to possess an impressive amount of self-control. With these narrative flags, no second-rate villain would be able to resist trying to kidnap her!

Plans:
I have a suspicion that the Adult intends to crib the Library's notes and receive groups of people in dimensionally separate pseudo-floors. In that case, taking away its privilege of choosing "floors" would be great. Thus,
[X] Barrier Plans
 
I have a suspicion that the Adult intends to crib the Library's notes and receive groups of people in dimensionally separate pseudo-floors. In that case, taking away its privilege of choosing "floors" would be great. Thus,
[X] Barrier Plans

The thing is, information also helps in that case, information is always king in any and all attack scenario, you never have enough, your enemy always know too much, that's why the best things to do at any time if you can is always to get more or to reduce how much the opponents have that is true, we can't really do the second, so we should do the first:

[x] Information Plans

And for my reasoning on how it helps with barriers:

Simply knowing that there are floors would already give a tremendous advantage, whereas working on countering such a strategy if the Adult uses another will make preparations pointless, getting more information gives us more for less work, and it allows to counteract with more precision.

There is a reason one of the biggest step in WW2 was cracking the Enigma machine, and there is a very good reason those that did it made quite sure that the enemy didn't learn of that fact, because it gave them a direct ear to the plans made.

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The fact that he could gain information without the enemy knowing it even happened is also why Coil is still seen as the most dangerous gang in Worm fictions at street level.

This is this reasoning that led to thinkers being the first targets for the same number in any scenario according to the PRT, and that is why Taylor's biggest power is her semi-omniscience, with the attacking bugs far less dangerous than it and only a vector.
 
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