Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Friends dont let friends select weapons on the basis of coolness.
If all you wanted was to give him a replica lightsaber, those have been on the market for decades. Go ahead.
An actual weapon is a whole different matter.


Harry doesnt fight with knives.
He goes out of his way to fight primarily at range, with handgun and magic.
If he has to engage at close quarters he uses his staff.

There's a reason why the six foot nine inches tall thirty year old dude avoids getting into hand to hand range.
We want him to be a living manchild, not a dead one.
bro its just a fucking gift chill the fuck out it doesn't matter if its suboptimal for combat. Also replica lightsabers are fucking toys not actual lightsabers. This is a stupid conversation he doesn't actually need to use it for combat he can chop some fucking logs with it.

Its a gift not a use this for combat harry now go fight a naagloshi in melee combat.
 
For powering up allies the best thing, is backpack like Predator auto aiming plasma cannons. A few extendible robot arms with camera, and gun mounts, and instant multi attack.
 
o_O First, who said anything about "robots"?
Second;
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I could come up with a decently long explanation. But I'm tired, far too hot, and worried about whether the storm that's about to happen will cause irreparable damage to my home. So instead; Wikipedia Article.

I do not think any of this stuff applies as it cannot carry more than one passenger, the pilot.
 
For powering up allies the best thing, is backpack like Predator auto aiming plasma cannons. A few extendible robot arms with camera, and gun mounts, and instant multi attack.
I was never talking about powering up companions I just wanted to give harry a gift he'd actually enjoy someday. One that normal people can't just make.
 
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Remember that runes aren't completely divorced from the materials that they're made on/with. In one of the short stories Marcone has a rune carved bullet for killing magical threats that she made for him. She explains that she can't just casually replace it since it requires a bullet that was used in the death of someone important as the base.
Yeah, but we also see things like runes burned into wood or carried around on small disposable tokens. Gard didn't seem to need anything that special for her mortal repelling field from earlier in the quest to name one example.

Presumably the whole system doesn't run on awkward to arrange symbolic links even if the top shelf stuff probably does. For something like this the cumulative effect of a lot of weak things going off at once would be an acceptable.
 
I do not think any of this stuff applies as it cannot carry more than one passenger, the pilot.
Yes Monoc seems to be very invested in infantry. Which makes sense when they have some of the most experienced infantry in the world. What they are mostly asking from us is a can that will get them to the action and be opened up to unleash the whupass. If that can can support them on site is a bonus.

Yes if we were focused on increasing their combat power we wouldn't even make them powered army. Just make an army of drones. Or give them artillery or fighter jets. But we aren't trying to make them change their combat doctrine we are trying to enable it.
 
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You can literally get a mundane company to do that shit for you. Legally.
Bulletproof armor, sealed aircompartment, the works.

Its the Heavy vehicle that you cant buy on the open market.
You can legally buy tanks on open market. And other military vessels. You'll need to restore it to full battle readiness, but it's completely legal, and there's a market. Helicopters too.

You can't get exalted-grade equipment, however. Which means that our best bet is to stack dice on top of dice and DC reducers, and to make the best quality vehicle possible.

And Odin't primary activity seems to be low key enough that if they are using the heavy variant, something has gone very wrong. Hell, it even says so in the option "If Monoc needs this kind of firepower things have really gone south ". Normally they operate more covertly.

To demonstrate the quality of our service we either need to build them something exotic, like an amphibious or a subterrain vehicle, or we need to build them a vehicle of the quality and capability that is simply impossible to make by mortal means. And that means not splitting dice pools.
 
What we actually need to make him is a Warden sword for counterspelling/cutting through hostile magic.
And a backup armor vest to go under his trenchcoat.
But that has to wait till we have either Enchantment or Exalted Crafting.
We could make some neat foci as well. My earlier post on a fire weapon would work even better as a basis for an upgraded blasting rod to name one example.

Harry's preferred counterspelling technique is shooting things at the other caster anyway, so that sort of upgrade is even technically dual purpose. :V
 
If Harry really wanted a Lightsaber, he could make himself a hilt that works as a Focus for his fire-magic and then cast himself a stable fire-blade.
That's well within the bounds of established magic and fire is even his speciality.

The fact that he doesn't do this, is a hint that he knows it's not the most efficient option for him.
 
If Harry really wanted a Lightsaber, he could make himself a hilt that works as a Focus for his fire-magic and then cast himself a stable fire-blade.
That's well within the bounds of established magic and fire is even his speciality.

The fact that he doesn't do this, is a hint that he knows it's not the most efficient option for him.
that really assumes harry could make something like that. which is a huge assumption. Asides he often doesn't even have time between books to repair his magic items. Much less make shit thats less useful like that.

Also again I never suggested it for efficiency just to let harry have a little fun as you know a gift. Like for fuck sakes guys I know harrys not meant for melee combat he only occasionally does it and cause he has to. Its to let him use it for some childish moments or roleplaying dude plays d&d and stuff. I'm basically suggesting a christmas or birthday gift.

Edit: So what else would people want to gift harry?
 
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I can't find an name artifact weapon that is called light saber, but many people on forum say that it shouldn't be hard to make.
They are called Beam Weapons, usually found and made in Autochthonia, and you won't find any named ones because it was a generic side-grade for Artifact weapons.
I do not think any of this stuff applies as it cannot carry more than one passenger, the pilot.
What does that have to do with anythin- Oh, you thought I was talking about the current situation.
No, I was asking "would Molly be capable of making this in general" rather than "can Molly make this for Monoc, right now".
 
You can legally buy tanks on open market. And other military vessels. You'll need to restore it to full battle readiness, but it's completely legal, and there's a market. Helicopters too.

You can't get exalted-grade equipment, however. Which means that our best bet is to stack dice on top of dice and DC reducers, and to make the best quality vehicle possible.

And Odin't primary activity seems to be low key enough that if they are using the heavy variant, something has gone very wrong. Hell, it even says so in the option "If Monoc needs this kind of firepower things have really gone south ". Normally they operate more covertly.

To demonstrate the quality of our service we either need to build them something exotic, like an amphibious or a subterrain vehicle, or we need to build them a vehicle of the quality and capability that is simply impossible to make by mortal means. And that means not splitting dice pools.
Those military vehicles are demilitarized, registered and tracked; sometimes mechanically, because IIRC part of the process of demilitarizing a tank in the West would include stuff like physically boring a hole through the side of the barrel.
And believe me, you aint sourcing a main gun barrel.

The helicopters similarly have none of the goodies that make them war machines.
Not to mention that they only enter the market after decades of use and wear. You really dont want to be resting your life in combat on an airframe that has had twenty or more years of active duty life in the military, where it was rode hard and put away wet.

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Not so armored civilian cars.

BMW sells an armored spec series of vehicles direct from the factory: the Security series are standard models with armor and upgraded parts included from suspension and brakes to engines. There's multiple US and Canadian companies that specialize in up-armoring private vehicles, from Teslas and Suburbans to S-classes and Bentleys, for both domestic and foreign customers.

Examples(because I enjoy Throttle House, there's one of theirs at the end with a Canadian company):
Armored cars getting shot at said:

Talking about the technology and the process of building one said:
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How Durable is a BULLET PROOF Car?!

How do you make a bullet proof car? Today we are going to find out. Armor Max invited Dan and I to come shoot some of their armored vehicles, and the results...

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$500,000 Bulletproof Bentley Bentayga Review // First Of Its Kind

This is the World's first armored Bentley Bentayga. Covered from head to toe in ballistic steel, this thing is rated at a BR6 armored level, weighs a ridicul...

Thats human shit, no superhuman craftsmen involved.
This is stuff they can get over the counter, no problem, just spend money. The elves could probably do it, even; its mostly mechanical work and material science. None of the electronics integral to modern war machines.

An Exalted-tier upgrade to an SUV platform is useful, dont get me wrong, but it doesnt add all that much over what they can already buy on the open market that he'd be willing to spend an Exalted favor for it.
He'll take it, dont get me wrong, but I dont think he'd spend a favor on an Infernal over it.

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He isnt hiring us for just that.
He's hiring us for war gear, when the fecal matter hits the rotary impeller and splashes on everyone in the vicinity, and One-Eye's hounds must ride chariots of death into battle.

Thats stuff you cant just buy on the open market.

No modern government is going to approve sale of a set of militarized IFVs to a private military without going over their affairs with a microscope. Hell, a lot of governments object to selling them to other governments; IIRC, the German government scuppered the sale of the Boxer IFV to either the Saudis or Qataris even when a good bunch of what they wanted it for was VIP evacuation vehicles.

The recent events in Russia(and Sudan for that matter) demonstrate why governments dont put heavy metal in private or paramilitary hands.

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HEAVY involves building Odin anywhere from a platoon(4 IFVs to a platoon) to several companies(14 per company) worth of unique mechanized IFVs to move his troops in. He canonically sent 500 Einherjar to the Battle of Chicago during Battle Grounds, which is 100x squads; even if we only equipped 25% of that number, with 20% spares, you're still counting 25 vehicles + 5 spares.

30x IFVs. Roughly a third of the IFVs in a US mech battalion. Almost 40% the total IFV numbers of the armed forces of Lithuania.

For reference, a real life Boxer IFV is around 5-25 million apiece depending on who is buying; a Bradley costs the US Army around 4.4 million to buy in bulk. Just the open-market value of 9-digits worth of military hardware we are about to build from scratch with the help of elven assistants will raise eyebrows, even before quality comes into play.

And quality WILL come into play. Our work will speak for itself, no problem.

We could make some neat foci as well. My earlier post on a fire weapon would work even better as a basis for an upgraded blasting rod to name one example.

Harry's preferred counterspelling technique is shooting things at the other caster anyway, so that sort of upgrade is even technically dual purpose. :V
You say blasting rod, I say plasma cannon :V

To be fair, wizards are supposed to outgrow most foci like blasting rods.
That said, doing for him what Ebenezar did for his own robes, where he was basically able to straight up ignore assault rifle fire at Chitchen Itza? Well within our abilities, and one of the things we should do while we're running gear uprades for Lydia and Michael.
 
@firefrog600 you know that in addition to a lightsaber being a terribly difficult weapon even for us to make (they must count as a marvel in today's world) they are a terrible weapon, right, especially for Harry? They only work on Jedi both because of the various powers the Force grants and because it's been the symbol of their Order for thousands of years, likewise with Sith (and depending on the source they are more effective with those with ties to the Force) and even they need to do years of training with styles made and refined over ten thousand years in order to do anything in a fight and not just cut their own limbs.

I prefer not to spend our own time doing stuff so useless that even Harry himself won't use it, just so he can brag about having one.

If you still want one wait for our Hell to show up and if he has modern technology order one of our servants and put the burden of research and crafting on the others.
 
Those military vehicles are demilitarized, registered and tracked; sometimes mechanically, because IIRC part of the process of demilitarizing a tank in the West would include stuff like physically boring a hole through the side of the barrel.
And believe me, you aint sourcing a main gun barrel.
Making a main gun is much easier than making a car.
Not so armored civilian cars.

BMW sells an armored spec series of vehicles direct from the factory: the Security series are standard models with armor and upgraded parts included from suspension and brakes to engines. There's multiple US and Canadian companies that specialize in up-armoring private vehicles, from Teslas and Suburbans to S-classes and Bentleys, for both domestic and foreign customers.
What we are making is much more than an armored car.
He's hiring us for war gear, when the fecal matter hits the rotary impeller and splashes on everyone in the vicinity, and One-Eye's hounds must ride chariots of death into battle.
Yes, and we owe him our best. Meaning that we can't divide our attention between multiple projects like you suggest, because that gets him, at best, a legendary mortal tier vehicles. He could get those on his own. What he can't get is exalted tier.
 
@firefrog600 you know that in addition to a lightsaber being a terribly difficult weapon even for us to make (they must count as a marvel in today's world) they are a terrible weapon, right, especially for Harry? They only work on Jedi both because of the various powers the Force grants and because it's been the symbol of their Order for thousands of years, likewise with Sith (and depending on the source they are more effective with those with ties to the Force) and even they need to do years of training with styles made and refined over ten thousand years in order to do anything in a fight and not just cut their own limbs.

I prefer not to spend our own time doing stuff so useless that even Harry himself won't use it, just so he can brag about having one.

If you still want one wait for our Hell to show up and if he has modern technology order one of our servants and put the burden of research and crafting on the others.
ehhh two things it was never meant to be useful in combat and second I'm 100% sure we have abilities that are out there that would enable us to make one simply. Also I'll note crafting is a backbreaking process for dresden it requires resources that sometimes take him time to find and secondly can take months to actually get the things to work or repair. Sometimes he doesn't even find the time between books. I asked what it would take cause I know there's more than one way to do it and I'm not exactly looking to go out of our way to do it. I was thinking if we had the resources to do it to do it for him as a gift and nothing more. I don't know why people bring up the combat thing its stupid to comment on as I've already said its a gift not a weapon to take and go committee glorious melee combat with melee rape monsters.

Also a marvel? I'm fairly sure some figures have equivalents in world of darkness and its not like its that special a weapon its like having a fairly good torch in blade form.
 
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Making a main gun is much easier than making a car.
Apparently not.

The tolerances required to build a main gun are....exacting, if you dont want your tubes blowing up in your face.
The US, for example, has only one place that has the equipment and personnel to make the M256 main guns for its M1 tanks, and it also makes tubes for its artillery: Watervliet Arsenal in New York.

I dont know how quickly the tubes themselves wear out.
Just that they do, and need replacing regularly.

What we are making is much more than an armored car.
Disagree.
Thats explicitly what we were asked to make: a vehicle that passes as a civilian vehicle upon casual external inspection.
Citation:
  1. You are not allowed to reveal that they help you with alchemy, but if someone catches a glimpse of them you are allowed to say 'they are OK, I can't say more'
  2. It does, but it is on a scale of conceptual power that is simply beyond them, it is beyond most things in this age of the world
  3. The Slick version has to be able to drive around on a public road without raising eyebrows, it would be nice if it could stand up to a cursory search but it's not necessary
  4. Sure they have pilots you can make those
Think the armored Suburbans that the US State Department uses in unsafe countries, or the US Secret Service use for presidential escort when POTUS is moving.

Yes, and we owe him our best. Meaning that we can't divide our attention between multiple projects like you suggest, because that gets him, at best, a legendary mortal tier vehicles. He could get those on his own. What he can't get is exalted tier.
We ARE giving him our best.
He knew precisely what he was doing when he asked us to make two different classes of vehicle.
If he didnt want our involvement in either class, he would have only asked us to do 1.

And I dont really see where you are getting the demarcation between legendary mortal tier and Exalted tier.
Exalted ARE mortal.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Jul 23, 2023 at 6:22 AM, finished with 108 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X]Plan Vulcan
    -[X] Divide your attention equally between both
    --[X] Write in suggestions for the vehicles (Optional)
    ---[X]Slick: Modified Suburban
    ---[X]Heavy: Boxer AFV
    --[X]Boiling Sea Mastery, Without Honor, MHM, ATB, Craft, Occult and Leadership Excellencies
    -[X]STUNT: Your breath comes out in a white cloud in the chill of a New England autumn, even as around you teams of elves focus on subcomponent fabrication and assembly. A thought calls up additional industrial tools from the depths of your anima, and you begin to work on the first of several sets of computing hardware to support the vehicle designs that Clippy is currently projecting at the far end of the workspace.
    [X] Plan Bond, Odin Bond
    -[X]The 'Slick' given the kinds of enemies they are fighting the ability to slip unseen and still pack a punch is likely to be the most valuable
    --[X] TTC, MHM, BSM, WHWH, Craft, Occult, and Leadership Excellencies, ATB with willpower for quality control
    --[X] Have Clippy pull up plans we used when designing Mab's car to have something to start working with. If locals have access to internet or technical drawings of cars, use those too for inspiration.
    --[X] Transcendent Lord of Flies invoking environmental protection
    ---[X] Install chemical warfare-rated air filtration system
    ---[X] Make the vehicle interior airtight when neede, and install an internal air regeneration system
    ---[X] Thermally insulate the interior and the fuel system, so the car can function in harsh conditions
    ---[X] Make the windows bullet-resistant and also IR and UF opaque; make the windows electrochrome (opaque when a switch is flipped)
    ---[X] Install advanced air conditioner capable of lowering the temperature inside below freezing if needed
    ---[X] Advanced sound isolation of the interior with active acoustic sensors instead to hear what's going on inside
    --[X] MIrror coating
    ---[X] Coat the superstructure, i.e. car's skeleton in it in order to increase structural integrity
    ---[X] Coat car's components that wear down, like ball bearings and engine's cylinders in order to be able to overclock the car's
    ---[X] The fuels line and cabling lines, in order to protect the car from internal explosions and/or combustion
    ---[X] The car body to act as armor. Make the body laminated in multiple layers of mirror and normal material, with a normal material outside.
    --[X] The composition of the car, internals and externals
    ---[X] Install as many redundancies as possible, and harden everything against entropic curses (techbane). Ideally, you want mechanical, hydraulic, and electrical systems acting as backups for each other.
    ---[X] Hybrid power (electrical and combustion fuel)
    ---[X] Airless tires masquerading as normal ones, with mirror-coated lightweight internal support structure
    --[X] The bag of tricks
    ---[X] Flippable license plates
    ---[X] Hidden trunk compartment for contraband
    ---[X] Concealable weapon compartments reachable from the interior
    ---[X] Hidden hardpoints in the trunk for securing prisoners
    ---[X] Electrical arc light projecting system capable of going bright enough to blind the opposition if needed
    ---[X] A megaphone / siren
    ---[X] Gas dispersal system
    -[X] Stunt: As you finish laying out the plan for a vehicle you envisioned on a huge organic-looking flatscreen conjured by your powers, you take a chilly breath and once again look around your environment. In the corner, a giant cauldron is being stirred, a rich quicksilver-like substance sloshing inside, small details already machined periodically being dipped in. All around you, your minions unpaid interns move with purpose and direction, already following your directions. And in the center of the room, a skeleton of a vehicle is slowly taking shape. Once it is assembled, it'll look like nothing more than a simple car. For now, a far more complex and alien interior structure is obvious.
    [X] Divide your attention equally between both
    -[X] Light: A SUV with tinted windows, unassuming at first glance but unnerving under close examination. A scratch in the point reveals an smooth iridescent surface no blade or bullet can mar. A careful listen to the engine reveals that it's pitch doesn't change at all as the vehicle accelerates. The suspension rides *too* smooth.
    -[X] Heavy: It *looks* like a BMP-2, but that camouflage is only skin deep. Inside there's a single continuous crew compartment, without any driver or gunner spaces. The tracks on closer examination are made of contiguous rubber coated bands. And it shares its lighter cousin's... oddities.
    --[X] Inscribed into the bodies and armor are lines of silver the form interlocked magical circles, each doing its part to shield the vehicle's occupants from magic. Even the circuit boards - made with more conductive silver rather than gold - are laid out to make the hex of magic flow over them.
    --[X] If the cyber devils represent a unacceptable security breach, then we can switch to remote control from the passenger compartment, with VR glasses and controllers... through that will be less capable overall. The decision is up to Piotr.
    [X] The 'Heavy' If Monoc needs this kind of firepower things have really gone south
    -[x] Powered by a nuclear reactor this helicopter can fly all the way around the world if it needs to, of course given the price of the radioactive materials needed for fuel it is unlikely to be used that often. It's hexagonal honey comb paneling of one way mirrors mean that the passengers have no blind spots even without the high tech sensor system. Of course the armor isn't just for looking through, but is capable of bouncing just about all anti air weapons.
    [X] The 'Heavy' If Monoc needs this kind of firepower things have really gone south
    -[x] You remember an old TV show about an Airwolf, a helicopter with lots of hidden weapons. You can do better, bumping it up to squad size and incorporating modern stealth technology and noise cancelation.
    [X] The 'Heavy' If Monoc needs this kind of firepower things have really gone south
    -[X] KISS- Look up designs for existing military vehicles, and ask Old Piotr what he would fix in them, then build the result, with various incremental improvements based on the advantage of artisanal precision over massproduction and what flashes of inspiration you might find.
    -[X] Stunt: As you look through various designs a picture is forming in your mind. The classic Bradley would be a good start, but too small to hold two squads and a driver, while the firepower was barely acceptable. The British Warrior vehicle was slightly larger and with a better start in firepower. In your thoughts you see the upgraded engine coming together, capable of driving a vehicle made for 12 men at nearly the same speed, while you considered if an additional missile-launcher would be more help or vulnerability on the top.
    [x]The 'Slick' given the kinds of enemies they are fighting the ability to slip unseen and still pack a punch is likely to be the most valuable
    -[x] SUV and truck discrete and dull color, the front a complex arrangement of instruments to serve as a mobile command center. In the back a housing rack of drone carriers. Fly by drones with micro missiles, stealth drones silent, and able to hover for hours over target to feed data to agents, and provide targeting solutions, to ground agents, and other drones, Gunship drones like the HMP able to accompany agents to provide sustained fire support.
 
Apparently not.

The tolerances required to build a main gun are....exacting, if you dont want your tubes blowing up in your face.
The US, for example, has only one place that has the equipment and personnel to make the M256 main guns for its M1 tanks, and it also makes tubes for its artillery: Watervliet Arsenal in New York.

I dont know how quickly the tubes themselves wear out.
Just that they do, and need replacing regularly.
But that's what we are good at?

Use that Excellency-boosted Craft and our Charm to make a near-perfect version of something that others need precision-tools and machinery for.
That kind of incremental improvement is what having an artisan that doesn't make botches is ideal for.
 
But that's what we are good at?
Use that Excellency-boosted Craft and our Charm to make a near-perfect version of something that others need precision-tools and machinery for.
That kind of incremental improvement is what having an artisan that doesn't make botches is ideal for.
Sorry about the confusion; we kinda drifted into having a different discussion.
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The reason I think concentrating on a slick build is better is because it'll see more use. We are repaying Odin, and we are also advertising. It's a trial balloon, and if he likes what he sees, he'll quite possibly be open to paying us (in stuff like magical materials, alchemical recipes and mercenary forces) to obtain more. For that, we need to impress him. That means going beyond ridiculous. It's better to concentrate here in order to to break more legendarity successes thresholds.
You can literally get a mundane company to do that shit for you. Legally.
Bulletproof armor, sealed aircompartment, the works.
Its the Heavy vehicle that you cant buy on the open market.
You can legally buy tanks on open market. And other military vessels. You'll need to restore it to full battle readiness, but it's completely legal, and there's a market. Helicopters too.

You can't get exalted-grade equipment, however. Which means that our best bet is to stack dice on top of dice and DC reducers, and to make the best quality vehicle possible.

And Odin't primary activity seems to be low key enough that if they are using the heavy variant, something has gone very wrong. Hell, it even says so in the option "If Monoc needs this kind of firepower things have really gone south ". Normally they operate more covertly.

To demonstrate the quality of our service we either need to build them something exotic, like an amphibious or a subterrain vehicle, or we need to build them a vehicle of the quality and capability that is simply impossible to make by mortal means. And that means not splitting dice pools.

Those military vehicles are demilitarized, registered and tracked; sometimes mechanically, because IIRC part of the process of demilitarizing a tank in the West would include stuff like physically boring a hole through the side of the barrel.
And believe me, you aint sourcing a main gun barrel.

The helicopters similarly have none of the goodies that make them war machines.
Not to mention that they only enter the market after decades of use and wear. You really dont want to be resting your life in combat on an airframe that has had twenty or more years of active duty life in the military, where it was rode hard and put away wet.
Making a main gun is much easier than making a car.
Apparently not.

The tolerances required to build a main gun are....exacting, if you dont want your tubes blowing up in your face.
The US, for example, has only one place that has the equipment and personnel to make the M256 main guns for its M1 tanks, and it also makes tubes for its artillery: Watervliet Arsenal in New York.

I dont know how quickly the tubes themselves wear out.
Just that they do, and need replacing regularly.

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I was arguing that Odin can get Slick-equivalents on the open market for cash, but he cant get Heavy vehicles.

Yog tried to refute this, first by pointing out that you can buy old armored vehicles, wherein I pointed out that everything military about modernish military vehicles sold to civilians is physically disabled, not just by taking away some of the electronics, but in the case of the tank guns by cutting a hole in the barrel.

Upon which Yog retorted that making a main gun is easier than making a car.
And I said that you cant get a main gun outside of official channels, because they are so limited in manufacture.
None of this was about Molly making the gun herself.

Not that it would help anyway, because even if she did make the gun, they would now have to source ammo.
And main gun ammo is a LOT harder to get than autocannon ammo.


Its the whole reason why I decided against having Molly make a railgun for arming the Heavies: logistics.
We dont want to be stuck having to be Odin's only source of ammo. Kinda goes against the spirit of the agreement.
Much easier for him to get NATO-spec autocannon ammo and barrels because they are relatively plentiful across the world.
 
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And I said that you cant get a main gun outside of official channels, because they are so limited in manufacture.
In the update before the last we traded Odin's minion a minor piece of information in order to establish an untraceable supply of materials, including, explicitly, enriched uranium. I know (in broad strokes) how to make enriched uranium. And I know, in broad strokes, the tolerances needed and the equipment needed to manufacture main battle tanks. Enriched uranium is much harder, much more controlled and in less supply.

If Odin wanted something mortal-tier, like tanks, he would buy it. Possibly officially, through an intermediary in, say, India or Africa.

No, what he needs is stuff of the quality mortals simply can't provide. And that means we need to concentrate on one thing.
 
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