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- Location
- Tempe, AZ
This basically. Also we don't have a good place to store him away.
And yes telling Murphy instead of killing him and destroying the body will make our life more difficult.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
And yes telling Murphy instead of killing him and destroying the body will make our life more difficult.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
You guys are gonna stretch us thin... We can't afford to be running around because the police want to talk(read:interrogate) to her or investigate her "cult" or keep her somewhere "safe" we need her and the rest in a bunkered up Last Station yesterday. This crap happens all the time in canon people get killed while with the cops. We can tell Murphy after this whole thing is dealt with if you really feel obligated.
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You keep saying that and it never gets any more true.
Stacking modifiers in a cell across town doesn't help us do anything useful.
I don't see that as invalidating anything I've said.
I don't want to bomb our relationship with Murphy, but there's limits to how far I'm willing to go appeasing her when we're gambling with lives.
If she keeps SI out and involves herself personally maybe something could work, because she is a heroic mortal instead of a mook, but stuff like turning over the sniper to her means SI involvement. Which complicates keeping people breathing.
I mean, the very first thing they'll want is to look into all of us, then all of her contracts, and all of the sniper's recent history. Which leads them immediately to the Ordo, who were in the middle of evacuating. Also potentially directly into Madrigal depending on if they get much from the ant.
At this point they probably get bounced off the vampire's collective chins like every other time SI has ever run into the courts, and we start looking hilariously suspicious.
I give it even odds Madrigal stirs the pot on us out of spite, but barely needs to in order to make a mess that keeps us pinned to a police station while he does wants.
- Location
- Singapore
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Ask Thomas to go up there and persuade him to hand over the camera
-[X] Have him check if the man is a random witness or an accomplice. If he's a random witness, convince them they witnessed something mundane, like a movie being filmed. If he's an accomplice, detain him for questioning and signal you
[X] See if you can identify sniper's getaway vehicle
-[X] If it's identified and starts getting away, have Harry hex it / stop it.
-[X] Have him check if the man is a random witness or an accomplice. If he's a random witness, convince them they witnessed something mundane, like a movie being filmed. If he's an accomplice, detain him for questioning and signal you
[X] See if you can identify sniper's getaway vehicle
-[X] If it's identified and starts getting away, have Harry hex it / stop it.
This isn't to say we should keep Murphy completely in the dark, just that we shouldn't pull her in with something she has to handle formally while doing so screws up a time sensitive operation where people die if we slip.
Calling and telling her what's up after we've got the ordo safe doesn't put her in the same position as calling her to arrest a mortal gunman does.
In the follow up after everything settles getting SI looking at the ant men might also be a good bet, because with the whamps gone they should be a mortal tier issue. It may be a problem for us because we're sketchy and involved, but that'd fall into the category of unpleasant things we need to handle afterwards.
Calling and telling her what's up after we've got the ordo safe doesn't put her in the same position as calling her to arrest a mortal gunman does.
In the follow up after everything settles getting SI looking at the ant men might also be a good bet, because with the whamps gone they should be a mortal tier issue. It may be a problem for us because we're sketchy and involved, but that'd fall into the category of unpleasant things we need to handle afterwards.
The fundamental question here, I think, is "do we value American law?". If these are ants of god, then they are mortals, hunting mortals - they are, in essence, a hate group, and, despite their knowledge of the supernatural, very much what police is meant to be handling, specifically what SI is meant to be handling, possibly with LoC doing the cover up. Would being involved in the investigation be more complex than murdering them all? Yes, it would. Is it worth it? That's a question we need to answer.
A reminder - we do have a layer of insulation through Harry, who is a known private detective and SI consultant (actually, we should probably get a PI license, maybe as Harry's official intern or something, I think).
Does knowledge of the supernatural automatically exempt you from involving the law enforcement is a question I am asking.
A reminder - we do have a layer of insulation through Harry, who is a known private detective and SI consultant (actually, we should probably get a PI license, maybe as Harry's official intern or something, I think).
Does knowledge of the supernatural automatically exempt you from involving the law enforcement is a question I am asking.
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- Location
- Germany
Yes basically.
This is a paralell society in which the police has little to no power to enforce the law.
And also nobody wants to talk to them.
See this as if we were deep in mafia/cartell territory.
Nobody wants the police involved and even if they were involved, the regular cops couldn't deal with the situation very well.
So we solve our own problems, or let one of the informal authorities, like Dresden as Warden handle it.
The follow-up question is "how much of a connection to the supernatural you need to be insulated from the law?". Because ants of god aren't a cartel. They are a local street gang. Winter Court is North Korea, White Court is a Mexican cartel / mafia, but ants of god are a local minor gang preying on a local neighborhood association. Do they also get immunity from the law? Do we want them to have it?
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Potential consideration: The Sniper's Gun.
It's potentially useful battlefield loot to give our minions?
Edit: Or did we make it unsalvageably unfunctional? I forget.
It's potentially useful battlefield loot to give our minions?
Edit: Or did we make it unsalvageably unfunctional? I forget.
You did not, the vote mentions breaking it, but that would spend dice making the whole thing last longer and be more noticeable. So yeah, you can totally steal his gun.
- Location
- Germany
Right now starting an investigation for attempted murder here would propably hinder our efforts, or bring the investigating police too close to White Court matters to be safe for them.
If the Ants keep relativly still for the next three days, I wouldn't be completly opposed to tip off the police and somewhat coordinate with Lara to make sure that the investigation finds what it should and not more.
Even if you do call the police it has to be managed, not just let them tear up the lifes of our friends and allies, or let them run into something that will mindwhammy or murder them to preserve secrecy.
- Location
- Brazil
Yes. Because the police aren't empowered to do much and people on the inside don't want them to get involved (including the vaguely good guys and neutrals on the supernatural side). And @Artemis1992 explanation.
Any amount as long as your supernatural contact has a certain amount of power and will to protect you from mortal law.
As stated several times, the police cannot do much in cases where criminals have protection of supernatural beings for various reasons such as not being able to even guarantee basic protection for themselves (such as several events the orther are talking about where the police station or headquarters were invaded and officers killed) let alone the others as no one on the supernatural side even wants them to get involved (even those on the neutral and maybe good supernatural side and not just the bad guys).
We can give Murphy the information on the ants after dealing with the Wampires who protect them/have contact with them.
(Personal Opinion)
Before DP spoke about Murphy like this:
And in my opinion it's a self-deception that she makes herself (and on some level she recognizes this I'm sure) because any police officer (no matter if them are heroic or not) really doesn't have the competence, equipment, training or orther things. If she wanted these things she should leave the police and enter the LoC where she can receive it but a lot of her personal identity is formed around the Chicago police and she can't leave.
(Personal Opinion)
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Do I need to specify this in this vote? Or will it be up for the next vote? Or automatic? I assumed that if we were abducting the sniper, we would also take their gun.
Molly will take it, I mean if nothing else leaving it on the ground would be evidence and she does not want any of that at the scene of the
Vote closed, vampire magic it is
Would other parts of the vote (identifying the getaway behicle and restraining the sniper) also count as a win? I did a stupid thing and didn't make the whole vote a plan one, so it's being counted weirdly.
Don't worry though I'll keep it in mind.
Arc 8 Post 18: Captive Audience
Captive Audience
10th of November 2006 A.D.
Looking around for a likely getaway car you do not see any likely candidates, families out for a stroll, people out on errands, some kids on scooters. So instead you decide to deal with the problem you can see: "Witness, over there," you motion Thomas to the window, expecting him to go up to the apartment and speak to him. Instead the vampire fixes the man with his gaze as a cobra does a bird, not commanding but beckoning.
"Better to have him come down quietly. "As you watch the man's face twists and contorts, from slack acquiescence to longing to utter terror. So much for 'just filming the sunset'.
Reflectively you reach out across the distance and hold him fast, unable to avert his gaze as Thomas bends more and more of his power to the task, not to dominate the other, but to wreath himself in a glamor fantastic, a lie, a lure meant for only one. Against the sheer dogged will of his would be quarry it is not enough. The man struggles in mind and in body, thrashing against your telekinetic grip. He's saying something, but it's not a spell, no power contests yours
Five seconds, fifteen, twenty... He cannot hold out forever, you know. Just a little longer. Through eyes unnaturally sharpened you see and read the shape of the words upon his lips. He's praying:
...And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom...
Your grip slips a moment and the man scramble away from the window with a cry. The barrel of a gun glints silver in his hand, this time turned not towards you or any of the people with you, but on himself.
"Malivaso!" Harry shouts and to your eyes the air seems to fill with with the shades of shattered angled, of a the predictable made strange.
Up above the gun jams just as the man turns it on himself. Blood thundering in your temples you pull him back to the window, a puppet on unseen strings, hold his head fast, his eyelids open until, will utterly spent he gives in to Thomas' call.
"Well that could have gone better," you say, a little shakily, unused to someone trying to banish you with the Lord's Prayer, uncomfortable at the sudden weariness you see in Liz' eyes, like holding someone at a window was somehow worse than choking the other guy out.
"Come on, we should keep an eye on his friend while he makes his way down," Thomas says making his way into the alleyway. As it turns out he had been right to do so since the other guy had been starting to come too, at least until Thomas reaches for his wrist and... knocks him out very pleasantly one assumes from the expression. Another advantage of perfect control.
The fellow with the camera looks older, maybe fifty, salt and pepper beard dark green shirt that looks vaguely military without ay distinguishing signs, his expression balanced unpleasantly between longing and sick terror. Again Thomas reaches out and divests him of enough life force to knock him out.
Harry is a lot less sanguine about the process than you are, but Thomas points out, reasonably you think that draining them into unconsciousness is a lot safer than beating them about the head. or cutting off their air-flow again. "They have been fed on before, regularly, we have definitely found our busy ants."
"So what do we do with them?" you ask half-rhetorically. "We can't have detective Murphy throw the book at them, they'll be out or dead as soon as their masters get to them."
"If you give them to Lara she will just kill them," Thomas says. It really should not have surprised you, but somehow the utter matter of fact tone of it managed it.
"Keep them until after those are dealt with," Harry replies after a moment. "Tie them up, take them down to Undertown."
How do you interrogate these people?
[] Reveal that they have been lied to and used, try to get through to them (Charisma+Empathy)
[] Terrify them into compliance (Charisma+Intimidation)
[] Write in
OOC: Rolling for this was a mess. I initially treated your strength for the purposes of keeping the guy in place as 7 (the successes you rolled for mind hand) and thanks to some skewed rolls you got the situation above, but then I did it again with the proper 8 (Your temporary willpower) and it went a lot worse so I'm just keeping the first set of rolls. I did accidentally give you guys an extra damage dice on the last turn because I added up your temp willpower as the full 9 and not the 8 it should have been after you paid ATB from it so it balances out
- Location
- florida
This is true.
But if we're willing to use them as bait?
Or, use them to find holes in the existing legal system.
As nice as it is for "the cops" to be completely helpess against the supernatural. Maybe its time we did something about that.
Rolls
Thomas to Summon the man
Since this is presence and not dominate he gets to roll to resist it paying a temp willpower each round to roll his willpower at DC 8 4/5 Available
More summoning (DC increased to 8 because he already failed once but one success will do, this is not opposed): 2, 3, 4
Willpower: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Opposed Strength:
Molly vs Watcher 1
Molly vs Watcher 2
Molly vs Watcher 3
Molly vsWatcher 4 (Automatic win due to opposing botch)
Harry to jam the gun
Turning his head vs Last Gasp
Thomas to read that they had been fed on before
Thomas to Summon the man
Since this is presence and not dominate he gets to roll to resist it paying a temp willpower each round to roll his willpower at DC 8 4/5 Available
More summoning (DC increased to 8 because he already failed once but one success will do, this is not opposed): 2, 3, 4
Willpower: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Opposed Strength:
Molly vs Watcher 1
Molly vs Watcher 2
Molly vs Watcher 3
Molly vs
Harry to jam the gun
Turning his head vs Last Gasp
Thomas to read that they had been fed on before
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Can you expand on what you mean?
The cops are helpless because the government doesn't have a monopoly on force. Patching the legal system won't do jack without changing that and giving them some way to not get rolled or glamoured.
When the precincts are hard enough targets that a light heavy weight or squad of mediums can't roll over the station cost free and the local police squads can match a squad of supernatural foot soldiers, then you can think about updating the legal code.
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The problem Molly anticipates has less to do with the legal system and more a powerful whampire walking into the jail knocking out the cops on guard and then either killing or releasing the hunters.