Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Depending on how one feels about world-spanning conspiracies 'organized crime' is probably not the least charitable interpretation. After all organized crime might kill you for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, it might kill you because your death is profitable or because you just pissed off the wrong person, what it will not do it kill you because the grunts are hungry.
Organized crime.
Or just as likely, early Cold War international affairs. When it was very much the Wild West out there, and things did get unpleasantly kinetic between the major powers, and overthrowing governments and torturing victims was very much SOP.
 
It doesnt work that way. Read our diamond crafting again.
We've made diamonds 2x, once in July and again in August.It takes us hours to grow diamonds, and then we spend extra time cutting them to the precise shape and cut we're selling, in July. In August we just sold the raw diamond.

So no, doesnt work.
Takes a significant amount of time to finish
And they are free to wait in the car for several hours it takes us to finish. It still works,

Make a fuss?

Do we know who Jared Wilson is? Does he have any connections? Family? Mentors?
Was he fraternity bros with DCI or the Executive AD FBI Counterintelligence? Is he drinking buddies with someone in In-Q-Tel?
We have no idea besides what Rosie mentioned in passing.

These are very real considerations for people in that sort of position, and what their network is like.

Not to mention the very real risks they go floundering in the dark and get eaten.
Or that their looking brings unwelcome attention to the lives of our parents and associates.
Dont be reckless with the lives of others. Thats like an ethical lodestone.
You seem to be oscillating widely on what you expect Jared Wilson to be able to do. On one hand, you think he definitely 100% won't be able to look into and discover the lie in the inheritance story. On the other, you are afraid that he's going to be able to... what again? Launch a federal investigation into our business? Discover and believe magic?

FBI and such are free to investigate. For CS our story is, basically, airtight.
Because their daughter is an addict.
Not was, IS. Thats something that has to be guarded against for the rest of their life. Addiction is treated like cancer; you arent cured, you are in remission. For the rest of your life, there has to be monitoring and awareness of the risk of relapse.

That includes associates, who are like a major risk factor for relapse.

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Because they see something on the home cameras, or we're careless in front of them.Or they check their daughter's room for drugs and see some of the books we're bringing for her, or an alchemical potion.Because they mistakenly look one of our associates in the eye and get a Soulgaze.

We're going to be around these people for a very long time.
Then you should be advocating for telling them about magic. Right now you want to give her free money and time. "Idle hands are a devil's plaything" is a traditional saying. Rosie's parents likely believe it. And Charity might be communism, and, thus, of Satan.

We cant afford the attention with regards to ChiSyn,
And why not, if we are seriously discussing this? Why can't we afford attention (whose, by the way?)?

And again, <<I had an Inheritance that gave me access to money>> is literally the truth.
No, it's not. At all.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jun 11, 2023 at 9:15 PM, finished with 173 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Plan "full care"
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work to start with, and then whatever best uses her gifts
    -[X] We are paying for Rosie's higher education whenever and wherever she wants to have it
    -[X] When we move out of our family's house, Rosie is free to move in with us, or we are ready to buy her an apartment
    -[X] Empathy and Etiquette excellencies, All Things Betray with willpower
    --[X] STUNT: The you that steps out of Black Rider and onto Wilson's porch is not the girl who used to sneak out with Rosie and be caught by her parents. Your looks are much closer to those of Margaret Carver, and were you to enter a boardroom and start a salespitch, no one would find it strange. Everything, from the heels of your shoes to the subtle yet undeniable wealth of your synthetic diamond jewelry is designed to make you look respectable, in a non-threatening way. You are still you, and Rosie's parents will recognize you as such, but you are still someone they will have to take seriously.
    [X] You are just going to pay Rosie's expenses and here's a bank statement to prove you can
    [X]Plan Safety Net
    -[X]You are just going to pay Rosie's expenses and here's a bank statement to prove you can
    -[X]If pressed for details, state that you were bequeathed an inheritance when you were about to turn 18 and made some good investments
    -[X]All Things Betray + Empathy Excellency + Subterfuge Excellency(if necessary) active: 2m, 1wp
    -[X]STUNT: You are met at the door to the Wilson household by their twelve year old, who wordlessly smiles at you, before yelling over his shoulder "Mom! Molly's here!" You smile back at him as you step inside, tousling his hair with your right hand even as you adjust your grip on the file in the other hand. Your eyes meet those of the woman stepping out of the kitchen, her very face and body like an open book to you. "Mrs Wilson. Thank you for seeing me."
    [X] Plan Mushrooms
    -[X] Explain that you and Rosie have a plan to move in together once you are of age, you can help her deal with the baby.
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work you guess.
    -[X] Have clippy fabricate a benefits package for a secretarial position that includes generous but not implausible compensation that happens to be good for family issues.
    -[X] Outline a plan for them that describes how we're planning to make this work in practice
    —[X] Molly is moving out when she turns 18, and plans to support herself via her existing experience as a mechanic. Long term seeking education like an apprenticeship as a machinist.
    -—[X] If Rosie moves in with her then she'll be able to assist with childcare stuff, financial and otherwise.
    —[X] Rosie had a good interview with a local company, Chicago Synthetics, which offers education assistance as a job benefit. If she takes that it'd cover a lot of the medical and long term financial issues.
    [X] Plan Queen of all we behold
    -[X] Come clear about the magic, you can do a lot of stuff, from crafting impossible tech to creating diamonds or gold.
    --[X] Demonstrate if necessary, by literally making something in their shed with a box of scraps.:cool2:
    -[X] We do have a job lined up for her at Chicago Synthetics and can also personally help her and finance higher education later.
    [X] Plan Mushrooms
    -[X] Find some time to meet with or call Rosie privately and present this plan to her. The essential idea being to use our resources to make a mundane cover so she can focus on herself and her daughter in whatever form she ultimately wants that to take. Modify based on her input.
    -[X] Explain that you and Rosie have a plan to move in together once you are of age, you can help her deal with the baby.
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work you guess.
    —[X] Set up evidence of a phone interview and a "second round" in person interview scheduled for the same week the conversation with Rosie's parents takes place in with an initial offer letter that includes the benefits package.
    —[X] If necessary imply that someone in the office was sympathetic to her situation and is giving her a chance.
    -[X] Have clippy fabricate a benefits package for a secretarial position that includes generous but not implausible compensation that happens to be good for family issues.
    -[X] Outline a plan for them that describes how we're planning to make this work in practice
    —[X] Molly is moving out when she turns 18, and plans to support herself via her existing experience as a mechanic. Long term seeking education like an apprenticeship as a machinist.
    -—[X] If Rosie moves in with her then she'll be able to assist with childcare stuff, financial and otherwise.
    —[X] Rosie had a good interview with a local company, Chicago Synthetics, which offers education assistance as a job benefit. If she takes that it'd cover a lot of the medical and long term financial issues.
 
Well, of course us being in Chicago synthetics is a better claim than the inheritance, one of these thing is true and verifiable, and the other is the inheritance that isn't one.

Really don't understand why Uju is so insistent on the true claim to be the one that will cause the most problems if investigated, when it is the one that has the most proofs to stop the investigation with a *that's true, end of report*.
Setting aside the clarification we just got that it's false from an official perspective, everything about our decisions with CS makes negative sense if you don't know the magical details.

The goal of this whole operation is to stop Rosie's parents from causing problems and let us help her. Using CS is fine, but pointing them towards our connection with it will almost certainly have the opposite effect. They'll be poking into this fractally nonsensical situation that for some reason is going to result in a frightening amount of money getting spent on and around their daughter.

Being verifiable is only good if what they can verify convinces them to accept the situation and do what we want.
These are very real considerations for people in that sort of position, and what their network is like
Networking nothing. For jobs like his the guy's company probably has someone to report security irregularities to. That's a regulatory requirement for most government related contracting.

Things like someone throwing around lots of money to solve your critical family situation for you, cause that could be a bad actor baiting a hook.

We bust the cap on his wierd-o-meter he might decide it's some very fucky attempt to get access to his work. Or simply to claim that even if we doesn't think it's true.

Which would be an instant investigation given how weird the situation is, no need for a friend in law enforcement.

Your plan is unlikely to trigger that because it's plausible, but it's worth keeping an eye on.
FBI and such are free to investigate. For CS our story is, basically, airtight.
Per the last clarification from DP we aren't on any paperwork of any kind for CS. They can't independently verify our ownership.

I don't buy that our story will immediately collapse under investigation, or that Rosie's step dad would actually hit us with Inez, but we are doing a lot of sketchy stuff and the attention would be an issue to deal with.

Also worth noting that we're probably on a person of interest list with Daedalus, and if our name hits law enforcement systems again it's not impossible that they try to screw us over in something similar to what they did to Harry.

Which again we could deal with, but is still something we need to clean up.

But let's set the externals aside for a moment.

My understanding is that the point of your plan is to get Rosie's parents accept the explanation "Molly's rich" for how she's getting the money to do whatever we're up to. That way we can just do things and not bother with much of a mask.

Which is an attractive prospect, since we don't need to put much more thought into them if it works.

My issue with this is that how you're going about establishing this fact for them is straightforward to do but complicated to manage the consequences of.

You're talking about running tech demos for people we have no reason to trust just to start establishing the credibility of an incredibly improbable situation, which also exposes our very shady business that we then also have to explain to make this stick together. Which is not a trivial task because there isn't any external evidence and we really are lying about key details that materially influence our decisions.

Even continuing to ignore the risk of the information, we don't actually have reason to believe that their reaction to "Molly's rich" will be the actually helpful "leave well enough alone" option, either due to greed or genuine concern. People get weird when the dollar counts start getting high.

You're taking on significant complications with an ongoing potential flare point at best for the chance that we get to sign checks without thinking about it sometimes. It's a bad deal entirely independent of their actual ability to knock over our sandcastle.

Getting to a stable state on the other side would be more a function of us being able to tank the problems that come up than of this whole thing actually helping us accomplish our goal.

That's why my approach prioritizes simple to maintain, easy to swallow, and unremarkable claims.

Getting their buy in to the it should be straightforward, and doing so actually contributes to the goal of positioning them somewhere helpful to us.

The cost of that is that we can't just fire and forget arbitrary amounts of money directly in front of them, but the effort required for doing it around them should be minimal.
 
And they are free to wait in the car for several hours it takes us to finish. It still works,
I think you mean "We stall them while we get someone to sneak us a precut stone."
Because thats the explanation that comes to their mind.
Horses, not zebras.

I dont know how you're not getting this.

You seem to be oscillating widely on what you expect Jared Wilson to be able to do. On one hand, you think he definitely 100% won't be able to look into and discover the lie in the inheritance story. On the other, you are afraid that he's going to be able to... what again? Launch a federal investigation into our business? Discover and believe magic?

FBI and such are free to investigate. For CS our story is, basically, airtight.
-There is no inconsistency.

There is a difference between the pool of friends and acquaintances your willing to ask for help with a domestic family matter, and the greater Old Boy network you are tapped into, and can alert when you stumble on stuff that involves a lot more than personal matters, or who will take note if an "accident" happens to you.

I personally could reach people like that in the health sector on two continents through people I know, but I wouldnt dream of involving them in personal matters.

Then you should be advocating for telling them about magic. Right now you want to give her free money and time. "Idle hands are a devil's plaything" is a traditional saying. Rosie's parents likely believe it. And Charity might be communism, and, thus, of Satan.
-No.

Because explaining magic to people we know fuckall about besides the embittered testimony of a teenage girl has the potential to create more problems than it solves.
Its the classic swallowing a spider to catch a fly problem; you create bigger problems with your solution.


-Rosie has
1)A soon to be infant(or infants) to raise
2)A high risk pregnancy to recover from
3)University classes to prepare for in eight to ten months.
4)And an entire Sorcery Path to gain proficiency in, and potentially more than one

The poor girl has her hands full, even with the help we can provide.
And her parents know some of it, which is why they are pressuring her to give the baby away.
The idea that she's going to be idle is preposterous to anyone who has helped raise infants before; her parents certainly have.

And why not, if we are seriously discussing this? Why can't we afford attention (whose, by the way?)?
Because we dont need to spend our time fending off the natsec state's interest in the material science implications, or corporate espionage types. Or the DEA looking for evidence of moneylaundering.
And thats just off the top of my head.

This is 2006. The War on Terror has been in full swing for five years, and nationstate overreach has been ongoing for longer.
The US federal government can demand release of the secret process to its military, and you'd then have to go fight this in court openly.

No, it's not. At all.
Yes it is.
Its something that happens tens of thousands of times every year in the United States.

More than 1 in 11 adults in the United States are millionaires.
Get that number through your head, and just what it implies. No offense meant.
There's a lot of people out there with significant assets who dont look it.

Jared of all people will know people like that; a lot of engineers fit that profile.
 
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I totally forgot about Soulgazing.
We can do that, we are an ensouled supernatural being in Dresden Files after all, right?

Might not be the best solution here, but I am quite sure after one look at our soul nobody would mistake us for the pre-Exaltation Molly.
 
I totally forgot about Soulgazing.
We can do that, we are an ensouled supernatural being in Dresden Files after all, right?

Might not be the best solution here, but I am quite sure after one look at our soul nobody would mistake us for the pre-Exaltation Molly.

You cannot as soul-gazing is an extension of the Sight which Molly do not know how to do yet.

Vote closed, lets get this show on the road
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jun 12, 2023 at 1:50 AM, finished with 178 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Plan "full care"
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work to start with, and then whatever best uses her gifts
    -[X] We are paying for Rosie's higher education whenever and wherever she wants to have it
    -[X] When we move out of our family's house, Rosie is free to move in with us, or we are ready to buy her an apartment
    -[X] Empathy and Etiquette excellencies, All Things Betray with willpower
    --[X] STUNT: The you that steps out of Black Rider and onto Wilson's porch is not the girl who used to sneak out with Rosie and be caught by her parents. Your looks are much closer to those of Margaret Carver, and were you to enter a boardroom and start a salespitch, no one would find it strange. Everything, from the heels of your shoes to the subtle yet undeniable wealth of your synthetic diamond jewelry is designed to make you look respectable, in a non-threatening way. You are still you, and Rosie's parents will recognize you as such, but you are still someone they will have to take seriously.
    [X]Plan Safety Net
    -[X]You are just going to pay Rosie's expenses and here's a bank statement to prove you can
    -[X]If pressed for details, state that you were bequeathed an inheritance when you were about to turn 18 and made some good investments
    -[X]All Things Betray + Empathy Excellency + Subterfuge Excellency(if necessary) active: 2m, 1wp
    -[X]STUNT: You are met at the door to the Wilson household by their twelve year old, who wordlessly smiles at you, before yelling over his shoulder "Mom! Molly's here!" You smile back at him as you step inside, tousling his hair with your right hand even as you adjust your grip on the file in the other hand. Your eyes meet those of the woman stepping out of the kitchen, her very face and body like an open book to you. "Mrs Wilson. Thank you for seeing me."
    [X] You are just going to pay Rosie's expenses and here's a bank statement to prove you can
    [X] Plan Mushrooms
    -[X] Explain that you and Rosie have a plan to move in together once you are of age, you can help her deal with the baby.
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work you guess.
    -[X] Have clippy fabricate a benefits package for a secretarial position that includes generous but not implausible compensation that happens to be good for family issues.
    -[X] Outline a plan for them that describes how we're planning to make this work in practice
    —[X] Molly is moving out when she turns 18, and plans to support herself via her existing experience as a mechanic. Long term seeking education like an apprenticeship as a machinist.
    -—[X] If Rosie moves in with her then she'll be able to assist with childcare stuff, financial and otherwise.
    —[X] Rosie had a good interview with a local company, Chicago Synthetics, which offers education assistance as a job benefit. If she takes that it'd cover a lot of the medical and long term financial issues.
    [X] Plan Queen of all we behold
    -[X] Come clear about the magic, you can do a lot of stuff, from crafting impossible tech to creating diamonds or gold.
    --[X] Demonstrate if necessary, by literally making something in their shed with a box of scraps.:cool2:
    -[X] We do have a job lined up for her at Chicago Synthetics and can also personally help her and finance higher education later.
    [X] Plan Mushrooms
    -[X] Find some time to meet with or call Rosie privately and present this plan to her. The essential idea being to use our resources to make a mundane cover so she can focus on herself and her daughter in whatever form she ultimately wants that to take. Modify based on her input.
    -[X] Explain that you and Rosie have a plan to move in together once you are of age, you can help her deal with the baby.
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work you guess.
    —[X] Set up evidence of a phone interview and a "second round" in person interview scheduled for the same week the conversation with Rosie's parents takes place in with an initial offer letter that includes the benefits package.
    —[X] If necessary imply that someone in the office was sympathetic to her situation and is giving her a chance.
    -[X] Have clippy fabricate a benefits package for a secretarial position that includes generous but not implausible compensation that happens to be good for family issues.
    -[X] Outline a plan for them that describes how we're planning to make this work in practice
    —[X] Molly is moving out when she turns 18, and plans to support herself via her existing experience as a mechanic. Long term seeking education like an apprenticeship as a machinist.
    -—[X] If Rosie moves in with her then she'll be able to assist with childcare stuff, financial and otherwise.
    —[X] Rosie had a good interview with a local company, Chicago Synthetics, which offers education assistance as a job benefit. If she takes that it'd cover a lot of the medical and long term financial issues.
 
Per the last clarification from DP we aren't on any paperwork of any kind for CS. They can't independently verify our ownership.
Any competent investigation would still reveal that we are a known associate of Thomas Raith, that we visit the site of CS, and that we do enjoy the benefits of CS. We might not be on paper, but the most probable explanation is that the reason for that is because we are underage. Incidentally, after we are 18, we should appear on paper, at least in my opinion.
My understanding is that the point of your plan is to get Rosie's parents accept the explanation "Molly's rich" for how she's getting the money to do whatever we're up to. That way we can just do things and not bother with much of a mask.
The goals are as follows:
1) Establish a narrative of why Molly is rich which is as close to true as possible, and would stand up to scrutiny.
2) Shift the narrative about Molly. Right now she's a drug-addict (or a drug dealer) black sheep of Carpenter's family, and bad influence on Rosie. I am, frankly, surprised we are allowed to interact. I want to shift the narrative to where interaction with us is, if not encouraged, than at least treated as an opportunity / something neutral.
You're talking about running tech demos for people we have no reason to trust just to start establishing the credibility of an incredibly improbable situation, which also exposes our very shady business that we then also have to explain to make this stick together. Which is not a trivial task because there isn't any external evidence and we really are lying about key details that materially influence our decisions.
Honest question - what are we lying about? The only lie I can see is the one mentioned in discussion - the one where Thomas invested into the business (he didn't need to, he works for us for magical benefits). Otherwise, the story of "we have developed a new and innovative way of making synthetic diamonds, and are making and selling them" is entirely true.

On running tech demos - that's only if they ask, one time, and as a mix between proof and a bribe.
Getting their buy in to the it should be straightforward, and doing so actually contributes to the goal of positioning them somewhere helpful to us.
The issue I have with your plan is that long-term it requires more background work and explanations. As mentioned previously, we have way too much money, and we are way too open and free with using said money to go for a low stakes easily believable explanation.
I think you mean "We stall them while we get someone to sneak us a precut stone."
Because thats the explanation that comes to their mind.
Horses, not zebras.

I dont know how you're not getting this.
I don't get it because it's not true. If you want to be asinine about it, we invite them to Carpenter household, and do "synthesis" in our garage. That's the background story, isn't it? Where they can see that no one sneaked in or out.

Also, no, what you are proposing is a giraffe. Because it requires someone to synthesize a gem off-site then sneak it in. There is a reason I said "we ask them what kind of exotic diamond they want before we go in". You are missing that part. The verification would go:
1) They arrive
2) They say "we want a pink diamond this size and cut, with blue incursions". Or something like that.
3) We go in, and make the diamond
4) We give them the diamond for independent verification

In order to sneak the diamond in, we'd need to
1) Contact someone offsite
2) Have them synthesize the diamond to specification
3) Sneak the diamond in

They would still have to make the diamond. It just adds additional steps for sneaking the product in. That's even more implausible than the actual process.
-There is no inconsistency.

There is a difference between the pool of friends and acquaintances your willing to ask for help with a domestic family matter, and the greater Old Boy network you are tapped into, and can alert when you stumble on stuff that involves a lot more than personal matters, or who will take note if an "accident" happens to you.

I personally could reach people like that in the health sector on two continents through people I know, but I wouldnt dream of involving them in personal matters.
Yes, and the same could be tapped for a "sudden large inheritance" claim. Which is untrue and fails under investigation.
The poor girl has her hands full, even with the help we can provide.
And her parents know some of it, which is why they are pressuring her to give the baby away.
The idea that she's going to be idle is preposterous to anyone who has helped raise infants before; her parents certainly have.
You are very, very generous in your interpretation of her parents. It's just as plausible that they are pressuring her because the baby inconveniences them and/or makes them look bad.
Because we dont need to spend our time fending off the natsec state's interest in the material science implications, or corporate espionage types. Or the DEA looking for evidence of moneylaundering.
And thats just off the top of my head.

This is 2006. The War on Terror has been in full swing for five years, and nationstate overreach has been ongoing for longer.
The US federal government can demand release of the secret process to its military, and you'd then have to go fight this in court openly.
This is a point, yes. It's still likely to come up no matter what we do. Thomas is still selling diamonds, they are still known to be synthetic. The information is already out there. If you didn't want it to be, we should have registered the company outside of USA and made synthesis there.
More than 1 in 11 adults in the United States are millionaires.
Get that number through your head, and just what it implies. No offense meant.
There's a lot of people out there with significant assets who dont look it.

Jared of all people will know people like that; a lot of engineers fit that profile.
How many of them are in high tens of millions? Because that's the kind of inheritance we are talking about in your story. Think a bit longer term. We are offering Rosie essentially hundreds of thousands in free funds. If / when we move out, our home is not going to be an apartment. It's going to be a manor, simply for security required. There are two possibilities: either we are recklessly burning through our inheritance, or it's big enough to afford it all. The first option means we are bad at managing money and Rosie should stay away from us (or we should be milked for everything we have before we crush and burn). The second is implausible.

Also, on the subject of make-work vs. stipend. Personally, I agree that stipend is better. Ultra-conservative Americans, from my understanding, won't. Protestant work ethic and value of work itself would see such existence as corruptive.

We need not only to give Rosie money. We need to start shifting her family's view of her. From a drug addicted child to someone who is overcoming her issues and can be trusted and interacted with as an equal.
 
Finally caught up!

Lydia's idea for a Winter Fae death curse is actually pretty sensible. If it becomes known that successfully killing us means you have Winter trying their hardest to kill you you're going to have a lot less opportunistic people like the Yomi Kings trying their luck.
 
Finally caught up!

Lydia's idea for a Winter Fae death curse is actually pretty sensible. If it becomes known that successfully killing us means you have Winter trying their hardest to kill you you're going to have a lot less opportunistic people like the Yomi Kings trying their luck.
On the other hand, it makes various factions try to make other factions kill us. Ie Denarians arranging White Council to go after us, etc.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jun 12, 2023 at 1:50 AM, finished with 178 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Plan "full care"
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work to start with, and then whatever best uses her gifts
    -[X] We are paying for Rosie's higher education whenever and wherever she wants to have it
    -[X] When we move out of our family's house, Rosie is free to move in with us, or we are ready to buy her an apartment
    -[X] Empathy and Etiquette excellencies, All Things Betray with willpower
    --[X] STUNT: The you that steps out of Black Rider and onto Wilson's porch is not the girl who used to sneak out with Rosie and be caught by her parents. Your looks are much closer to those of Margaret Carver, and were you to enter a boardroom and start a salespitch, no one would find it strange. Everything, from the heels of your shoes to the subtle yet undeniable wealth of your synthetic diamond jewelry is designed to make you look respectable, in a non-threatening way. You are still you, and Rosie's parents will recognize you as such, but you are still someone they will have to take seriously.
    [X]Plan Safety Net
    -[X]You are just going to pay Rosie's expenses and here's a bank statement to prove you can
    -[X]If pressed for details, state that you were bequeathed an inheritance when you were about to turn 18 and made some good investments
    -[X]All Things Betray + Empathy Excellency + Subterfuge Excellency(if necessary) active: 2m, 1wp
    -[X]STUNT: You are met at the door to the Wilson household by their twelve year old, who wordlessly smiles at you, before yelling over his shoulder "Mom! Molly's here!" You smile back at him as you step inside, tousling his hair with your right hand even as you adjust your grip on the file in the other hand. Your eyes meet those of the woman stepping out of the kitchen, her very face and body like an open book to you. "Mrs Wilson. Thank you for seeing me."
    [X] You are just going to pay Rosie's expenses and here's a bank statement to prove you can
    [X] Plan Mushrooms
    -[X] Explain that you and Rosie have a plan to move in together once you are of age, you can help her deal with the baby.
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work you guess.
    -[X] Have clippy fabricate a benefits package for a secretarial position that includes generous but not implausible compensation that happens to be good for family issues.
    -[X] Outline a plan for them that describes how we're planning to make this work in practice
    —[X] Molly is moving out when she turns 18, and plans to support herself via her existing experience as a mechanic. Long term seeking education like an apprenticeship as a machinist.
    -—[X] If Rosie moves in with her then she'll be able to assist with childcare stuff, financial and otherwise.
    —[X] Rosie had a good interview with a local company, Chicago Synthetics, which offers education assistance as a job benefit. If she takes that it'd cover a lot of the medical and long term financial issues.
    [X] Plan Queen of all we behold
    -[X] Come clear about the magic, you can do a lot of stuff, from crafting impossible tech to creating diamonds or gold.
    --[X] Demonstrate if necessary, by literally making something in their shed with a box of scraps.:cool2:
    -[X] We do have a job lined up for her at Chicago Synthetics and can also personally help her and finance higher education later.
    [X] Plan Mushrooms
    -[X] Find some time to meet with or call Rosie privately and present this plan to her. The essential idea being to use our resources to make a mundane cover so she can focus on herself and her daughter in whatever form she ultimately wants that to take. Modify based on her input.
    -[X] Explain that you and Rosie have a plan to move in together once you are of age, you can help her deal with the baby.
    -[X] Rosie has a job lined up at Chicago Synthetics doing... secretarial work you guess.
    —[X] Set up evidence of a phone interview and a "second round" in person interview scheduled for the same week the conversation with Rosie's parents takes place in with an initial offer letter that includes the benefits package.
    —[X] If necessary imply that someone in the office was sympathetic to her situation and is giving her a chance.
    -[X] Have clippy fabricate a benefits package for a secretarial position that includes generous but not implausible compensation that happens to be good for family issues.
    -[X] Outline a plan for them that describes how we're planning to make this work in practice
    —[X] Molly is moving out when she turns 18, and plans to support herself via her existing experience as a mechanic. Long term seeking education like an apprenticeship as a machinist.
    -—[X] If Rosie moves in with her then she'll be able to assist with childcare stuff, financial and otherwise.
    —[X] Rosie had a good interview with a local company, Chicago Synthetics, which offers education assistance as a job benefit. If she takes that it'd cover a lot of the medical and long term financial issues.
 
Arc 8 Post 3: Giving an Out
Giving an Out

3rd of November 2006 A.D.

The you that steps out of Black Rider and onto Wilson's porch is not the girl who used to sneak out with Rosie and be caught by her parents. Your looks are much closer to those of Margaret Carver, and were you to enter a boardroom and start a salespitch, no one would find it strange. Everything, from the heels of your shoes to the subtle yet undeniable wealth of your synthetic diamond jewelry is designed to make you look respectable, in a non-threatening way. You are still you, and Rosie's parents will recognize you as such, but you are still someone they will have to take seriously.

Lost 3 Essence -> Now at 12/15 (Empathy, Subterfuge and Etiquette Excelencies)

That attempt almost takes a blow the moment you step out onto the driveway as Rosie's little brother, all suited up for winter in a green jacket and hat sends a snowball spinning your way, presumably, hopefully in the hopes of hitting his equally suited up friend.

"Shit, sorry mrs!" the boy squeaks, only looking more horrified when he realizes he can now add swearing to his list of sins. "Didn't mean to swear either. Don't tell dad..."

Even as you put on your best reassuring smile you mark that he seems to be a lot more worried about his father than his stepmother.

"Are... are you Rosie's friend?" the boy asks with all the befuddlement of someone asking if you are e leprechaun, even though he has seen you around especially of late as you have been helping Rosie with her magic. "You look... grown up and stuff."

"People tend to do that," you point out mildly as you head to the door.

There you are greeted by Mrs Wilson looking pinched and worried, Rosie looking pregnant and worried and Jared... who sounds and acts a lot more cordial than you have ever seen him. Maybe it's like osmosis, the way some plants turn to face the sun Jared instinctively smiles at suits.

'You OK over there,' you send Rosie a look that has nothing to do with magic and everything to do with knowing each other for more than half of your respective lives.

'As good as I'll ever be,' her answering shrug says.

Alas not all the signals you are getting are that nice to see, the way Jared keeps fidgeting with his hands, his wedding band is a way of reminding himself it's there to counteract the fact that he's attracted to you, which is just... eww. You really do not want to think about that to any depth. "There are so such varied and just torments you could condemn him for his presumption Majesty," Usum offers, because that is what you need now, mental images of people having their eyes flash frozen and exploding in their skulls.

Mrs Wilson by contrast looks tired, not in the physical sense, you know what that looks like all too well, the lines on her face the root of it more insidious, there is nothing real behind that smile beside nebulous concern for what you are about to say, another variable to plug into a a day lived in auto-pilot and she does not even know she's doing it or does not want to admit it at least. After all she's made it hasn't she, the nice house, the steady income even Rosie's pregnancy is something that's been 'handled'. That is the word she uses as small-talk turns to the reason for you visit, it might as well be her motto. Maybe you're being too harsh, but hers seems to be a life handled with oven mitts.

Rosie mentions the 'job offer' at Chicago Synthetics first, eager to get out of this house, but you quickly pick up the thread, talking excitedly about the opportunities of working for an up and coming start up, implying that you have an in with the company, maybe a familial one and are using it to get Rosie a foot in the door. Jared of course is absolutely brimming with advice and complaints about state taxes, which are apparently all 'stiffing the work of honest American Business', you can hear the capitalization in that one so you assure him that Chicago Synthetics is a one hundred percent US capitalized, a new industry for a new millennium. When Mrs Wilson manages to work up her nerve to get a word in edgewise about the very real concerns of a new mother working in an entry level position in a start up you bring up the health insurance plan, which is generous but not absurdly so which leads to your admission, 'reluctant', but firm:

"I'll cover any of the other medical bills that come up."

On the balance it is a ludicrous thing for someone who is seventeen and still living with their parents to promise, but you had been preparing the ground, speaking, gesturing emoting like someone ten years older, showing insight and an ability to talk about tax law without gouging out your own eyes, which you assume is the trial by fire of being an adult.

"It's my money and it's enough. I want to do this, I want to help and in the long run I think we can help each other. We can get an apartment..."

Rosie had balked at you buying her an apartment of her own , ability to make money out of thin air or no.

"It's hard work taking care of a baby, not easy to do when you're studying, especially not when studying and working." Mrs Wilson sounds like she is speaking from experience.

As he tends to do when his wife gets more than a dozen words in Jared opens his mouth to speak, probably to argue on your side. You beat him to it.

"I know, mom said as much to me, we're going to have to hire someone to help probably, but the numbers work out when I when you go over them..."

"We couldn't possibly let you..." Rosie's mother starts.

"I think it's a capital idea," Jared buts in. Who the heck says 'capital' anymore? At least the fae and ghosts have the excuse of being older than dirt. "Margret here is a very responsible young lady with a bright future ahead of her."

What do you do?

[] This is about as good as it is going to get, take Rosie out for a coffee so she does not have to deal with this at least for the rest of today

[] Try to reassure Mrs Wilson further
-[] Write in how

[] Write in


OOC: Your rolls were pretty bad.. for an Exalt, by which I mean you succeeded on a human scale not a divine one.
 
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[X] This is about as good as it is going to get, take Rosie out for a coffee so she does not have to deal with this at least for the rest of today
 
Well, ain't you eager, Mr Wilson.

We should hire a private detective, like a normal but good one to check him out. I am like 60% sure we'll find either a dead girl or a live boy somewhere. Or at least a live girl. Or...

[X] This is about as good as it is going to get, take Rosie out for a coffee so she does not have to deal with this at least for the rest of today
-[X] NWS Jared on your way out


I am genuinely curious, and I am getting not very good vibes from him.
 
Alas not all the signals you are getting are that nice to see, the way Jared keeps fidgeting with his hands, his wedding band is a way of reminding himself it's there to counteract the fact that he's attracted to you, which is just... eww. You really do not want to think about that to any depth. "There are so such varied and just torments you could condemn him for his presumption Majesty," Usum offers, because that is what you need now, mental images of people having their eyes flash frozen and exploding in their skulls.
Aaand that'a another reason why I prefered the lower appearance.
Better to be completly unnaproachable to the peasants.
 
[X] This is about as good as it is going to get, take Rosie out for a coffee so she does not have to deal with this at least for the rest of today
-[X] NWS Jared on your way out
 
Well, ain't you eager, Mr Wilson.

We should hire a private detective, like a normal but good one to check him out. I am like 60% sure we'll find either a dead girl or a live boy somewhere. Or at least a live girl. Or...

[X] This is about as good as it is going to get, take Rosie out for a coffee so she does not have to deal with this at least for the rest of today
-[X] NWS Jared on your way out


I am genuinely curious, and I am getting not very good vibes from him.
Just because we aren't getting good vibes doesn't mean we have the right to just look into a random muggle's deepest secrets.
This is not a vampire we are keeping in a highschool, or Nemesis, it's just a dude.

[X] This is about as good as it is going to get, take Rosie out for a coffee so she does not have to deal with this at least for the rest of today
 
[X] This is about as good as it is going to get, take Rosie out for a coffee so she does not have to deal with this at least for the rest of today
 
'stiffing the work of honest American Business'

Ergh, libertarian, I would have lots to say but this is not on topic, moving on.

showing insight and an ability to talk about tax law without gouging out your own eyes, which you assume is the trial by fire of being an adult.

That would explain why I don't feel like an adult, still can't talk about that without wanting to gouge out the eyes of those that claims they serve nothing… wait, I feel like there's a difference with what you said but can't put my finger on what… bah, probably not important. :V

As he tends to do when his wife gets more than a dozen words in Jared opens his mouth to speak, probably to argue on your side.

I should have said it as soon as that one:
Even as you put on your best reassuring smile you mark that he seems to be a lot more worried about his father than his stepmother.

Happened, but:

Red flag!

"I think it's a capital idea," Jared buts in. Who the heck says 'capital' anymore?

People who like capitalism a little too much.

"Margret here is a very responsible young lady with a bright future ahead of her."

Internal monologue: *I can leech off of her so easily! I have to take this opportunity before she crash and burn, siphon as much as possible to myself!*

Actually, given how good we rolled on reading them, can we tell if my guess is correct on what he's thinking?

OOC: Your rolls were pretty bad.. for an Exalt, by which I mean you succeeded on a human scale not a divine one.

Yeah, barely a single roll on more than legendary level, truly a disgrace. :V

We should hire a private detective, like a normal but good one to check him out. I am like 60% sure we'll find either a dead girl or a live boy somewhere. Or at least a live girl. Or...

Well…

He had to remind himself he was married when in our presence.

He has a (step) daughter our age.

She told us that one of his friends sexually harassed her.

He acted a little too enthusiastic during all the conversation, particularly when it comes to our money.

Take that as you will….

[X] This is about as good as it is going to get, take Rosie out for a coffee so she does not have to deal with this at least for the rest of today
-[X] NWS Jared on your way out
 
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