Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Autochton had a way to manufacture exalted and was still dying. That's not a good example.
Gaia left her major sub souls behind and did the same thing though.

This is mostly irrelevant, since Molly is invested in the safety of the world and we're not obligated to follow a particular line of reasoning about our actions even if there's an arguably rational basis for it.

We want to fight? Our power, our rules. The emperor being too valuable also means they get to set what they put that value towards.

We should avoid getting a big head about it though. There isn't a case where that sort of behavior is anything but annoying.
 
It's possible that our hell might survive our death. In fact that could be the origin of many of the 10 thousand hells. Although it likely would be greatly diminished without us might actually corrupt into a hellish hell.
 
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That's wrong:

Rosie was caught at the "conceptual edge of Exaltation", and it was the exaltation that sparked her minor talent into being.

Giving someone magic is influencing them, something angels don't do.
1)Conceded.
But that only applied to awakening Rosie. Not her kid.

2)Uriel gave Dresden soulfire.
Christian mythology literally attests to blessings as a thing as well.Exposure to the passive field/presence around an angel doesnt appear to count as active interference, and it sure as hell did nothing to the wielders either.

Some of the Denarians have become magic users, but a lot arent, even after decades of exposure.
Then there's all the Fae changelings.
I dont think its reasonable to assume that environmental influence is enough in this case. Especially at third hand.

True, but he is kind of special being the creator god among creator gods and even so he is dying from if I understand it right an infection of that Nowhere.
Not really.
See also Radametheus, also known as Chungzilla. The Primordial who optimized himself for war with thr Solar Deliberative.
No, it doesn't. Tuition rates in the US are absolutely fucking insane, of course, but in 2006 they weren't quite that ridiculous.

In 2006, the annual tuition for the University of Chicago was $32,265. For 2021-2022 it was $62,241. God damn, that's disgusting. Anyway, still not nearly as much as you claimed.

Also, uju, why in the hell would Rosie need a full-time nanny? That's for lazy, rich people and/or very well paid working parents. Even as a full-time student, Rosie isn't looking at more than 20 hours in class each week, and most of her studying can be done at home. Yes, daycare or babysitters would be needed, but not a nanny. And it's not like the nanny option would be safer than babysitters or daycare. If someone was after the baby to use as leverage against Rosie or us, there are always going to be opportunities for them to make a move that don't involve assaulting whatever house they're living in at the time.

This also ignores the possibility that Rosie's mother wouldn't be willing, or even extremely eager, to help watch the baby sometimes. I've known very few grandmothers over the years who weren't happy to have time with their young grandchildren when they were nearby and physically able to handle it. Rosie's mother is still quite young and, IIRC, doesn't work.
1)Tuition 63,801 + 7500 maintenance allowance for the 2023/2024 session.
Not including student health insurance or books.
I wrote <70k because I couldnt find the exact 2006 numbers, but assumed they couldnt be higher than those of 2023.


2)Because 20 hours in-class work, 5 hours time around class, and 5 hours commute(30 minutes either way, five times a week) already adds up to 30 hours a week, or 6 hours a day, 5 days a week. Doing all that while feeding, dressing and caring for a six month old as a single teenage parent is the sort of thing you are really glad for help when you can get it.

A bunch of college work is group assignments, which you cant actually do from home either.

And speaking as someone who has helped raise kids of that age, you really cant focus on study when babysitting one of those little gremlins. God help you when they start teething too. Nannies are a standin for the extended family and local community that would previously help a mother raise a kid.


3)Given the friction here, I dont want to make that assumption in a scenario where keeping the kids is a source of contention..
I am hoping Rosie and her family work things out, but that isnt necessarily helped by by dumping a good chunk of the work of helping raise the kid(s) on their grandmother. If she volunteers, great, but dont make that assumption.

And we dont know how Mrs Wilson spends her day(s).
She may not have a job, but that doesnt mean she sits at home all day watching soap operas.
Charity doesnt, and they're roughly the same age.
 
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1)Conceded.
But that only applied to awakening Rosie. Not her kid.
The child was inside her at the time, and we have since fueled the flames of her talent while she was still pregnant. It's quite plausible for me that the child is going to be gifted.
2)Uriel gave Dresden soulfire.
Christian mythology literally attests to blessings as a thing as well.Exposure to the passive field/presence around an angel doesnt appear to count as active interference, and it sure as hell did nothing to the wielders either.

Some of the Denarians have become magic users, but a lot arent, even after decades of exposure.
Then there's all the Fae changelings.
I dont think its reasonable to assume that environmental influence is enough in this case. Especially at third hand.
Wasn't Dresden given soulfire as a sort of compensation / reward for passing the trial of rejecting the denarian coin and in a way redeeming a shadow of a fallen?

As to Denarians - they only get the coins after they are born (and most of them only get them after they are fully mature). Mutations, including soul mutations, wouldn't affect them like they would an unborn child. And, again, we are much less contained. Have we ever unleashed our anima in Rosie's presence? I don't remember.
 
2)Because 20 hours in-class work, 5 hours time around class, and 5 hours commute(30 minutes either way, five times a week) already adds up to 30 hours a week, or 6 hours a day, 5 days a week. Doing all that while feeding, dressing and caring for a six month old as a single teenage parent is the sort of thing you are really glad for help when you can get it.

A bunch of college work is group assignments, which you cant actually do from home either.

And speaking as someone who has helped raise kids of that age, you really cant focus on study when babysitting one of those little gremlins. God help you when they start teething too. Nannies are a standin for the extended family and local community that would previously help a mother raise a kid.


3)Given the friction here, I dont want to make that assumption in a scenario where keeping the kids is a source of contention..
I am hoping Rosie and her family work things out, but that isnt necessarily helped by by dumping a good chunk of the work of helping raise the kid(s) on their grandmother. If she volunteers, great, but dont make that assumption.

And we dont know how Mrs Wilson spends her day(s).
She may not have a job, but that doesnt mean she sits at home all day watching soap operas.
Charity doesnt, and they're roughly the same age.

You could also get the local ghouls and vampires to play nanny, they do not expect to be paid for their work more than they already are.
 
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The child was inside her at the time, and we have since fueled the flames of her talent while she was still pregnant. It's quite plausible for me that the child is going to be gifted.
You literally had to be a Celestial Exalt's child to get any powers from them in Creation, and Creation was a higher-magic setting than World of Darkness/Dresden Files.
In ExWoD the very children of DBs had to live in Dragons Nests to have any chance of Exalting.

I dont expect environmental exposure is a large factor here in this setting at this level of exposure.
And certainly not in this particular case.
You could also get the local ghouls and vampires to play nanny, they do not expect to be paid for their work more than they already are.
Paperwork. And the lack of it.
You're sending someone to play childcare professional in the home of what's apparently a 1 percenter, around their other children, she or he'd better be certified or with some bona fides.

And this is a high risk pregnancy, with high risk kid(s).
If you can afford it, you probably want a nanny with some medical skills or experience raising kids, just in case.

And while they would not expect to be paid for their work, Molly would probably pay them anyway.
Going market rates.
So it wouldnt really change the financial picture.
 
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I think it's worth pointing out once more that the plan @Yog put together will trip the warning DP gave on being externally verifiable.

Molly is specifically not on any legal documents related to Chicago Synthetics, there's a quote on one of my last few posts to prove it. She is not conversant in even the basic elements of the field she's claiming to be a genius in. We have no explanation for why we're doing what we are right now congruent with the facts as we'd state them to Rosie's parents.

Fair enough to those who don't like my approach, but any claim backed by telling them we have control of the company walks directly into this issue.
 
Wasn't Dresden given soulfire as a sort of compensation / reward for passing the trial of rejecting the denarian coin and in a way redeeming a shadow of a fallen?

As to Denarians - they only get the coins after they are born (and most of them only get them after they are fully mature). Mutations, including soul mutations, wouldn't affect them like they would an unborn child. And, again, we are much less contained. Have we ever unleashed our anima in Rosie's presence? I don't remember.
To my recollection, it was neither.Uriel did it for reasons of his own, to counter Lucifer/Hell's faction acting.

We dont know when Deirdre got her Coin, but she had to be young.
And she was carried as a baby in the uterus of a then-active Denarian.
Doesnt appear to have done her any favors.

We've carried Rosie flying.
I dont think we've had to flare anima in her presence before.

I think it's worth pointing out once more that the plan @Yog put together will trip the warning DP gave on being externally verifiable.

Molly is specifically not on any legal documents related to Chicago Synthetics, there's a quote on one of my last few posts to prove it. She is not conversant in even the basic elements of the field she's claiming to be a genius in. We have no explanation for why we're doing what we are right now congruent with the facts as we'd state them to Rosie's parents.

Fair enough to those who don't like my approach, but any claim backed by telling them we have control of the company walks directly into this issue.
^^^
I would really hate to fail what should be a slamdunk task because of simple sloppiness.
Especially after getting a warning from the QM.
 
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Ok then, we need to:
1) Explain why Rosie is getting a job in Chicago Synthetics (if she's getting one) - the company is hella shady, because, to be fair, it is a front for infernal magic money making scheme
2) Explain where we are getting a lot of money, on a consistent basis

"We are the idea girl behind Chicago Synthetics, which is a startup with innovative diamond making technology" has the advantage of essentially being the truth. Inheritance doesn't pass muster, because there's no one we could have inherited from, and inheritance is easy to check (not sure about USA, but I assume that would appear on tax forms). Various lies require additional setup.
 
Ok then, we need to:
1) Explain why Rosie is getting a job in Chicago Synthetics (if she's getting one) - the company is hella shady, because, to be fair, it is a front for infernal magic money making scheme
2) Explain where we are getting a lot of money, on a consistent basis

"We are the idea girl behind Chicago Synthetics, which is a startup with innovative diamond making technology" has the advantage of essentially being the truth. Inheritance doesn't pass muster, because there's no one we could have inherited from, and inheritance is easy to check (not sure about USA, but I assume that would appear on tax forms). Various lies require additional setup.
The idea girl of Chicago Synthetics is the literal truth, but isnt plausible.
You'd basically have to reveal magic.

Inheritance is both the literal truth, and cannot be disproved.
Gifts are not public record in the US. And your personal tax records from the IRS are private, to the point of it being a felony to disclose them iirc, with max penalties of 5 years and 250k in fines for the offence.

And its not like children inheriting X gifts or X trust when they reach the right age is something new in the US.

TLDR
The Wilsons can easily check Chicago Synthetics; its registered publicly, and has a legal footprint.
There is however no way for them to check Molly's financial records with the IRS.
 
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"We are the idea girl behind Chicago Synthetics, which is a startup with innovative diamond making technology" has the advantage of essentially being the truth. Inheritance doesn't pass muster, because there's no one we could have inherited from, and inheritance is easy to check (not sure about USA, but I assume that would appear on tax forms). Various lies require additional setup.
Adding Magic to the mix of what is being told makes it far more believable though. And keeps it even more unverifiable, besides the money being real.
 
Ok then, we need to:
1) Explain why Rosie is getting a job in Chicago Synthetics (if she's getting one) - the company is hella shady, because, to be fair, it is a front for infernal magic money making scheme
2) Explain where we are getting a lot of money, on a consistent basis

"We are the idea girl behind Chicago Synthetics, which is a startup with innovative diamond making technology" has the advantage of essentially being the truth. Inheritance doesn't pass muster, because there's no one we could have inherited from, and inheritance is easy to check (not sure about USA, but I assume that would appear on tax forms). Various lies require additional setup.
So what if it's the truth? The truth, in this instance, doesn't make sense without supernatural shenanigans.
The truth doesn't always set you free. Sometimes it just makes shit way more complicated than it needs to be.
 
Adding Magic to the mix of what is being told makes it far more believable though. And keeps it even more unverifiable, besides the money being real.
Why would you tempt the dude in the military-industrial complex with knowledge of magic and its applications?
During the War on Terror at that. The last time the military-intelligence-industrial complex got involved with magic in the Cold War, it required the Knights to do cleanup.

Do you LIKE Daedalus shenanigans?
 
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He explicitly would be fine if the Divine Ministers just pressed the wake up button (which they could anytime) and he could manually sort out his problems.

Isn't he also suffering from the fact that there is nothing in Nowhere and his sickness requires him to use materials from creation to help?

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*See the thing about us not appearing in the Chicago synthetics documents despite being pretty sure we are*

Ok, cutting that one at the roots:

@DragonParadox, does Molly appear in the documents of Chicago Synthetics?
 
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Why would you tempt the dude in the military-industrial complex with knowledge of magic and its applications?
During the War on Terror at that. The last time the military-intelligence-industrial complex got involved with magic in the Cold War, it required the Knights to do cleanup.

Do you LIKE Daedalus shenanigans?
I kinda doubt him just knowing about some things is going to have any consequences.
Daedalus already exists after all.

He'll hit the same wall they did, that people with real power are generally not interested in empowering or angering goverments and instead stay out of the great game.
 
The idea girl of Chicago Synthetics is the literal truth, but isnt plausible.
You'd basically have to reveal magic.
No we won't. If they disbelieve us, ask them what kind of custom diamond they want, within reason, then give them one next day / weekend. That proves our bonafides.
Inheritance is both the literal truth, and cannot be disproved.
Gifts are not public record in the US. And your personal tax records from the IRS are private, to the point of it being a felony to disclose them iirc, with max penalties of 5 years and 250k in fines for the offence.

And its not like children inheriting X gifts or X trust when they reach the right age is something new in the US.
We previously talked about Mr. WIlson being a security contractor. I based my assumption of his capabilities on that. Asking for a security check to be run on an associate of his daughter's and such. It's easy enough to learn that no relative of Carpenters' died recently. In fact, given that we are Rosie's best friends, and WIlsons know Carpenters at least a bit, they'd probably know enough to realize that there was no rich granduncle who died recently.
TLDR
The Wilsons can easily check Chicago Synthetics; its registered publicly, and has a legal footprint.
There is however no way for them to check Molly's financial records with the IRS.
Ok, law check (genuine question, I don't know) - are private companies employer records publicly available / can be requested by someone easily? Would that be easier or harder to check for a multi-million inheritance? Because we are talking multi-million.

Also, inheritance is a bad idea, because, unless we are claiming that we have got a lot of money in investments, it's a one-time payoff. You know what happens to most lottery winners? They quickly spend and lose it all. That's the same here. We need a story that both gives us steady consistent income, and one that demonstrates our own merits. Chicago Synthetics is perfect.
Adding Magic to the mix of what is being told makes it far more believable though. And keeps it even more unverifiable, besides the money being real.
I am not totally opposed to showing magic, but let's try and do without it first. At the very least, we should talk with Rosie about that first.
So what if it's the truth? The truth, in this instance, doesn't make sense without supernatural shenanigans.
The truth doesn't always set you free. Sometimes it just makes shit way more complicated than it needs to be.
We can prove the truth, however, outrageous as it is. Like, the simplest way to prove that we are saying the truth would be to ask them what kind of custom diamond they want, and make them one. Pretty easy.
Why would you tempt the dude in the military-industrial complex with knowledge of magic and its applications?
During the War on Terror at that. The last time the military-intelligence-industrial complex got involved with magic in the Cold War, it required the Knights to do cleanup.

Do you LIKE Daedalus shenanigans?
The revelation of magic would probably come bundled with polite people from the Library of Congress telling him "don't touch, that's not for you". But yes, this is one of the many reasons I am not pushing for that.
 
Isn't he also suffering from the fact that there is nothing in Nowhere and his sickness requires him to use materials from creation to help?

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*See the thing about us not appearing in the Chicago synthetics documents despite being pretty sure we are*

Ok, cutting that one at the roots:

@DragonParadox, does Molly appear in the documents of Chicago Synthetics?

Yes, you are the owner, otherwise it would be really odd for you to be siphoning out the company funds because you need to empty out a Goodwill or something.
 
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