That's not how I am reading it? Mab says "my title is Queen of Winter" and directly follows with "as yours is Green Sun-That-Was-Before-The-Sun". She is directly saying that as she, Mab, is Queen of Winter, that being her primary title and mantle, so ours is "Green Sun". Green Sun is not our title, and it has never been a title of any exalted. Not unless one slew Ligier at some point and took his name like Bright Shattered Ice did with the Primordial of the same name during Primordial War.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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She was referring Molly's caste mark (that upon her brow), which is a sun that burns green, she identified that as 'Green Sun That Was Before the Sun'
Doesn't parse that way to me. It's synecdoche or something similar, like saying you know a cop by his badge or something.
If she'd just left it at the phrase itself that'd be one thing, but referring to an object directly changes how it parses in this context.
Maeve is a complicated case to help. Her age ranges from at max slightly over 500 years old to at least a 100 years old according to the below information.
As psychologically Maeve is a complete mess according to the information below with her emotions, mind and humanity due to the condition which she lives in being awful according to Butcher as Winter Lady. Leading to outcomes such as her relationship with her twin Sarissa being extremely bad. To the point of Mab goes at all costs to avoid them interacting with each other. Fundamentally she is damaged more extremely than much of the current cases Molly is dealing with. The methodology to help her as Molly is complicated and difficult even now since it derives from the condition of what she is essentially, along with being the likely cause of how Nemesis got to her in the first place. Here is information on her to make your own conclusions from Jim.
As psychologically Maeve is a complete mess according to the information below with her emotions, mind and humanity due to the condition which she lives in being awful according to Butcher as Winter Lady. Leading to outcomes such as her relationship with her twin Sarissa being extremely bad. To the point of Mab goes at all costs to avoid them interacting with each other. Fundamentally she is damaged more extremely than much of the current cases Molly is dealing with. The methodology to help her as Molly is complicated and difficult even now since it derives from the condition of what she is essentially, along with being the likely cause of how Nemesis got to her in the first place. Here is information on her to make your own conclusions from Jim.
In this version of the setting as seen in the Bob scene she is Merlin's daughter which makes her about 1500 years old
OK, looks like we are going home to answer some questions
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
The Akuma we gave to the LOC too.
Their background was changed here, so their ages are different. The information is still useful though.
also worth noting that even when born from humans directly fey are very much not the same psychologically.
Toot-Toot for example was every bit the immature kid he was when he met Harry for all the decades-to-centuries he lived up until that point. He didn't change till his life changed.
Maeve isn't the same, but I suspect her emotional development is a lot more arrested than her age and experience would imply. Her appearance is a mask, but it isn't just a mask.
Which is good and bad for any hypothetical reform effort. Useful in that she isn't necessarily totally calcified, but complicating in that it caps how much she can shift.
Still not super happy about trying to clean this up, but we can't exactly kill her without going to war with Winter and I'd feel guilty about her ongoing body count if there was a way to make her less awful we didn't take.
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did you also change when mab became queen too? Since shes not the first winter queen? Cause otherwise she'd have to have had maeve when she was mortal presumably.
Edit: In canon there's been one mother winter, two mother summers, at least two winter queens, at least three summer queens, and at least including molly 4 winter ladys, and an unknown amount of summer ladys.
Edit: In canon there's been one mother winter, two mother summers, at least two winter queens, at least three summer queens, and at least including molly 4 winter ladys, and an unknown amount of summer ladys.
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Mab had Maeve as a mortal. Here.
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yeah that at least makes sense since you know she was the lady at one point and they very much can't have kids.
Winning Vote
Arc 7 Post 27: Peeking Through the Veil
Peeking Through the Veil
31th of October 2006 A.D.
The silence that falls following Maeve's answer is suffocating. You don't know... don't know what to do with yourself. The idea that Sandra was some kind of servant of Nemesis, that she had been feeding you just the right suggestions to make you tie people's brains in knots is the most frightening thing you have heard all day. It's one thing to be a target now with all that you can do, all that you are and might yet become, but that Molly Carpenter who was going around occult shops and probable phishing sites with esoteric names looking for answers on magic, the universe and everything, she didn't have a clue. I didn't have a clue.
"Well," nothing of your inner turmoil leaks into your voice. "If you have anymore problems with that thing do call me. All other things being equal I live in the world, everyone and everything I care about is also in the world, so you could say I have a bit of a bias against things that want to burn it all down."
"They teach you that in Sunday school?" Maeve tries for a jest, but it's clear her heart isn't in it. "Probably the best lesson in the place."
"Maybe you should listen in more often. Who knows maybe you'll hear something else that's worth lending an ear to."
It's anyone's guess if the Lady of Winter is nodding or just moving her head up and down thinking about other things.
"There is one other matter in which your aid would be required," Mab answers looking at you from green flame adorned brow to sensible walking boots. "It is not as urgent."
Just the one? You wonder, but do not ask aloud. If she were minded to share internal politics of the court or how she is minded to deal with the other two she'd have told you already. It would take an hour in a glass of bleach to get enough power together to do that again and nearly three to get topped up.
With a nod that goes about halfway to being a bow you bid farewell to mother and daughter and step back into the refreshing... pouring snow and thunderbolts. At least Mab does not see fit to stop it so it should stick to the ground. That might be enough to make up for the abrupt end to trick or treating.
Some of that lighting does look kind of green, or at least that is your excuse for making like Superman and rocketing upwards on the light of your own burning soul until you are up among the clouds. Sure there are some hic ups along the way, like Clippy not being able to just copy the GPS software from Black Rider in such a way as the satellite can recognize her and having to navigate by old fashioned dead reckoning and map reading, her reading maps that is not you, but flying... is... awesome.
Landing in front of the house you walk in probably smiling like a crazy person, but you don't care. That was a darn good way to blow the whole Sandra thing right out of your head.
"Hello," you call as you come in.
"...perfectly safe, all they saw was a large glowing gate and then just the inside of the house from another angle and I gave them a safety lecture as well. Sure it can be dangerous, so can high speed traffic. But that does not change if we pretend the roads don't exist and tell kids to ignore the sound of honking. My dad tried doing that to me. I ended up possessed by an evil ghost," you hear Lydia talking in the living room
Glowing gate? She didn't...
As it transpires she or rather they did. When the storm had rolled in Lydia has suggested going to her place, but as it happened, even one with a lot of candy wasn't really enough to make up for missing Halloween so Lydia had suggested showing them all something a little more spooky to fit the season. Daniel who probably wanted a look himself, had agreed which is how Hope's first time out trick or treating coincided with had first visit to the Nevernever, thank God, a lot nicer than yours. It had consisted of a tour around the house and grounds inside the wards where among other things the ghost of the old gardener had tried giving them apples from the shade of an old tree that had been struck by lightning. That had segued into the rule for why you should not eat stuff in the other world.
To be honest if someone had asked you yesterday how mom would react to something like this you would have started at 'spitting mad' and worked our way up from there, but apparently Lydia's argument about Corpsetaker combined with her earnestness had defused the situation enough that everyone was talking over hot chocolate by the time you get there.
"Hey, Molly you look... glowing," Daniel makes a joke, a lame one of course as is the nature of little brothers.
"I'm guessing you did something," Lydia adds. "I could feel the over-pressure in the spirit world, it was like when your ears pop on a plane through the wards, it was crazy."
Mom looks like she has questions... all the questions.
What part of your day do you talk about with those present
[] [LYDIA] Write in
[] [MICHAEL] Write in
[] [CHARITY] Write in
OOC: Lydia's a circle-mate, a party member for people not that familiar with Exalted, and of course Michael and Charity will want to know how meeting Mab went, but since you made the distinction between what you tell them on the Eiko matter they have distinct options here as well.
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Rolls
Willpower against getting shaken by Maeve's information
Parting offer
Maeve rolls willpower to now show/feel emotion... good thing her willpower is terrible for that she is
Ad Hoc GPS... dead reckoning it is
*encounter roll for interception hidden*
Lydia argues for guided trouts of the Otherworld... that is not a lot of successes
...unless Charity botches the opposed willpower roll and loses social combat outright
Willpower against getting shaken by Maeve's information
Parting offer
Maeve rolls willpower to now show/feel emotion... good thing her willpower is terrible for that she is
Ad Hoc GPS... dead reckoning it is
*encounter roll for interception hidden*
Lydia argues for guided trouts of the Otherworld... that is not a lot of successes
...unless Charity botches the opposed willpower roll and loses social combat outright
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I don't think any of this knowledge is dangerous to know per say.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Did Daniel inadvertently discover Charity's Kryptonite, then bring her home to meet his parents?
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That Nemesis exists at all is generally considered a Big Damn Secret.
One that Lydia's Dad does not wish her to know. He stonewalled her on that before.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Which doesn't really make sense to me except in the sense that Nemesis is really scary and there isn't anything most people can do about it so knowing just makes you paranoid.
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She is a an intelligent, but sheltered girl who was made an orphan by evil magic. That does ping every mothering impulse Charity has admittedly, even when you do not count that one of Lydia's favored attributes is manipulation. She rolled 12 dice on Manipulation+Empathy.
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Here we have the exact quote.
Generally everyone who knows about Outsider can summon them.
Now most people obviously don't. But enough still do, so it's standard procedure to limit knowledge.
Red Court is summoning a lot of them, for example.
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As I said before, Mab likely will choose the cheaper option of ridding herself of them.
The lethal one. They aren't her daughter.