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Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Classic nepo baby.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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In fairness, I think she's supposed to be built around a different social concept that just doesn't play out well at the high level.
As the Lady her function isn't to be a micro-Mab, she's something like a socialite and internal political mover in the court while she warms a bench VP style.
Her shit will and issues make her bad at it, but her wild child parties would have gotten her eaten alive if she wasn't good at riding the chaos.
I expect that's she's decent by supernatural standards when in her niche and motivated to act, but can't stop getting in her own way.
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- Germany
She has power.
All other things disregarded she is still the Lady and that shows both in terms of magical power and authority over lesser Winter Fey.
I don't think anyone except for the Knight at these parties is capable of harming her.
Yes, because soulfire is not something one can teach. And Uriel is severely constrained in what he can do.
Mab's people could have just been on the other side, in the Nevernever and there is no way you could get a roll, Molly has nothing to see past the veil.
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I totally agree that we shouldn't propagate Ancient Sorcery because it can be used against us, and we shouldn't forget that Sorcery in the Creation was never benign force and was always associated with Yozi.
However, I'm not sure that exorcising a Denarian from the coin will be such a bad thing. In my opinion, the coin shelters its denizen as much as it limits it. If the protection is destroyed, I think it will be written out of existence quickly.
That's hardly the only reason.
Ancient Sorcery isn't a toy. Emailing nuclear secrets to everyone on the assumption there'll pinky promise to only do the single task we want of them and that it won't leak or be abused.
Especially since the people involved themselves aren't exactly trustworthy all the time.
They do the big necessary jobs, but they aren't nice people and they aren't perfect.
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When one of the swords was broken it was turned into a divine lightsaber to keep the game going.
I don't want to blindly leap into what a coin might become.
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Sure, although, the sword is on the winning side, that is why it works within the laws of nature, it has sanction to exist, while the coins are prisoners that broke out from cell but still in shackles and are unnatural.
[X] Bid them go
-[X] Activate intimidation excellency for the winter fey flex
-[X] Activate ATB and HC with essence, try to detect nemesis
-[X] Activate TTC and IPM with willpower
-[X] Spend willpower to ensure ritual success.
-[X] [Stunt] Drawing herself up, the glamor seems to sublimate from Molly like ice in a pan.
—[X] Surrounded by Winter's monsters and caught between two of its Queens, something boils out from behind her eyes. Invisible and intangible, but as demanding as the kiss of a branding iron on bare skin for those without the relevance to warrant acknowledgment.
—[X] Reaching out her hand, Molly grasped an implement from thin air as if it was always there. Unlike like so many others before it, this was no mechanical monstrosity - a special difference shown even by the hells to its purpose.
—-[X] At exactly five and one half feet long, it stood an exactly straight bar of steel. Every angle unnaturally perfect from the flattened cap to exactingly sharpened tip. The first tool, and first division of natural chaos into shaped order
—[X] Held just above the floor as she turned, it seemed to almost drag the shadows inwards without touching them, whispering secrets at her feet as they come.
—[X] With a smooth calm that seemed cling like smoke Molly spoke. " I think it would be preferable to clear the room".
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Heaven and Hell have a deal, that's why they're allowed to be out in the coins at all. We break them and the two of them will push for advantage and settle a new equilibrium unless something major changes.
I'm not saying it's inherently pointless or apocalyptic, but it's not inherently helpful either. It's all about context.
Eh, Mab will deal with it, probably.
We have no reason to believe it will, and every reason to believe Molly knows what it will do to the target.
Yeah, I need citation for this, because I'm pretty sure that this trope is not employed in Dresden verse. I don't remember it from books, and it would be inconsistent with Jim's personal views.
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By the way @DragonParadox what rating would assign a room temperature superconductor made using alchemy.
I think I'm going to have to look through the Technocracy books tomorrow to answer that one, it's really late right now.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Maybe it could just this isn't a case of Molly reading a spell out of a book that she doesn't understand or something idiotic like that. Knowledge of ancient sorcery means knowledge of ancient sorcery. Molly understands the spell what it does and how to adjust it.
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Direct citation is difficult to find, but here's one demonstrating that despite the many times they've been in custody the coins always go walking again:
Well. Not quite freely, but MORE freely, certainly. The Fallen bound in the coins are the freaking elite of Hell–everyone the big D didn't want trying to stab him in the back, basically. If they were suddenly freed it would do all kinds of horrible things to about a million balances of power, with repercussions that would last for centuries.
Which assumes that they /can/ be destroyed. I mean, don't think that in 2,000 years, no one has ever TRIED it. And there are still thirty of them kicking around.
Which isn't necessarily to say that it's impossible. But it sure as Hell wouldn't be easy. And given that, while in the coins, they ARE effectively frozen in carbonite without a human agent to assist them, containment certainly seems to be a prudent course.
Funny you should mention that whole notion about redeeming Lasciel . . . >
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Plus a huge portion of the plot in Ghost Story ties back to how they have rules. Heaven and Hell exchange penalty points when someone cheats. That's where the six words that pushed Harry to attempt suicide came from, and were the seven that warned him on how to keep his will.
It's not an equal relationship, but it's also not one where the balance is arbitrary and the good guys will just scoop them up. Something is stopping them from doing it, and a few magic items aren't seriously going to impede a guy like Uriel for two millennia.
I'm sure Molly will have plenty of opportunities to resort to Malfean Stealth.
[X] Yog
[X] BronzeTongue
It is.
Butcher has outright stated(cant find the quote, but I remember reading it) that if you dropped the coins in space, they (or Lucifer) would teleport them back into circulation. Dropping them at sea or in a volcano won't work either for much the same reason, and I think its been tried.
Thats why Lasciel's Coin wasn't locked in Hades' underworld after her then-host Hannah Ascher was killed in Skin Game.
Not just Ghost Story.
Small Favor as well, where Lucifer intervenes to supply power to the Denarians for the fuckhuge containment circles they used to capture and contain the Archive, while Uriel slips Dresden a soulfire upgrade.
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Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
[X] Let them stay
I'm... not even tacking on preconditions. Give it a year and we are probably going to be personally reinforcing the Outer Gates.
I'm... not even tacking on preconditions. Give it a year and we are probably going to be personally reinforcing the Outer Gates.