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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)How many people can we vote to bring with us?
2)And is there a difference between people at the table, and a security contingent near the door?
Because I think Molly's gotten paranoid enough to worry about these things.
 
uju32 said:
Gonna be busy, so will comment later
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)How many people can we vote to bring with us?
2)And is there a difference between people at the table, and a security contingent near the door?
Because I think Molly's gotten paranoid enough to worry about these things.
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  1. As many as you like
  2. You can earmark some of them to sit at the door, though it would be a hard ask for someone like Charity or Michael
 
uju32 said:
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1)How many people can we vote to bring with us?
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I'm pretty sure we could bring the bar to maximum occupancy if we wanted to. Just have people clowncar out of a rented tour bus or whatever.

It just would have no advantage and be a huge detriment. I'd say past three and it would start to get stupid.
 
Yog said:
Rosie's talent was sparked by our exaltation, and it still at the barest of the barest enough levels. Daniel... I expect he has more potential. Bloodline of power, close connection to two exalts, almost certainly his own capital D Destiny to look forwards too... Certainly much higher willpower. So, yeah, I expect him to have higher potential, if only for narrative reasons.
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That's not how it works for DF casters though. Rosie had something more that was woken up, and Daniel doesn't because Charity's talent was dead by the time he was conceived.

It's like being born tall. If your family is full of famous basketball stars you've got greater odds of being born tall because they're also likely tall. But if you come out short no amount of star power is going to make you grow on its own, and height matters to the game.

He can still learn to play, and get real damn good at it, but he'll always struggle to stop Shaq from dunking on him.

Barring rule breaking from us of course.
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It's an instantaneous effect. Lydia is limited in how many beings she can apply the charm to, but the targets don't get any sort of compulsion or bond or connection in regards to her. So that's not an issue.
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He effectively occupies a slot while getting the buff. She can't replace him till he dies, which creates social obligation and pressure.

It's very similar to bringing large sums of money into a relationship. Maybe you can't un-spend it after it's gone, but the impact is still there afterwards.

I disagree on the social argument. It's entirely possible to make enough progress to be relevant, and it's stuff we're going to want to do anyway. Having a trustworthy person to work through at the start would facilitate lot of things.

I don't see a reason to force the issue about making him a circle member just because he's around.
 
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  1. As many as you like
  2. You can earmark some of them to sit at the door, though it would be a hard ask for someone like Charity or Michael
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Alright.

I'd like to make a general comment then:
We are going to raise the issue of Nemesis here, and its subversion of Mab's high ranking courtiers in general, and her daughter in particular. We might also raise the fact that we can exorcise it.

Both capital M Major secrets.

A primary consideration is going to be that whoever we bring is protected against both magical Nemesis fuckery, and just being grabbed off the street and beaten with a $5 socket wrench until they talk.
 
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uju32 said:
We are going to raise the issue of Nemesis here, and its subversion of Mab's high ranking courtiers in general, and her daughter in particular. We might also raise the fact that we can exorcise it.
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Before we even contemplate telling this to Mab, explain the cover story that prevents Mab from learning about our Crown and how it works. Because that's a deal breaker for me, and not only for me, and I'll devote everything I can to preventing Mab from learning about how our Crown functions until we, personally, can take her, Titania, and both Mothers in combat.
 
Yog said:
Before we even contemplate telling this to Mab, explain the cover story that prevents Mab from learning about our Crown and how it works. Because that's a deal breaker for me, and not only for me, and I'll devote everything I can to preventing Mab from learning about how our Crown functions until we, personally, can take her, Titania, and both Mothers in combat.
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We have a gift for Divination. And even that is being generous.
Because here's the secret: No-one actually expects you to give up secrets about how your powers or intelligence network works.

When Dresden called Lea for information and got Mab in Dead Beat, he didn't ask how she knew the things she was saying. When Odin told him what the Reds were planning in Changes, he didn't ask how he knew. When the Gatekeeper told Ebenezar to tell Dresden there was black magic in Chicago, Dresden didn't ask how he knew.

When Susan and Martin showed up with warnings about the Red Court in Death Rites, he didn't ask about how they got their intel. When the Knights told him to stay out of a case for his own good, also in Death Rites, he didn't ask how they knew.

When Dresden spoke ancient Etruscan in the Raith Deeps and ancient Sumerian to ghouls in front of Carlos, Carlos didn't ask him where he learned it.
When Carlos requested information from Winter Lady Molly, he didn't demand the source.

This is the Dresdenverse. Information is power.
Asking a person to reveal their own secrets when they are doing you a favor isn't actually done, nor is it an expectation by anyone.
 
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firefrog600 said:
I mean practically as in its only been months in character after a whole year and hes not even an adult yet. He's not gonna get in any important government position for example for several years. For crafting I'd rather not help with that for him simply cause it'd all be mortal stuff I believe and we have so many others we could potentially outsource that too or when we get our hell literally have people with centuries of crafting experience. Imagine teaching our brother than he immediately gets undercut. Also for combat well our brother wants to be able to defend himself and superpowers are cool. Other stuff yeah that can be useful such as academics or social skills or general smortness. Those former things though not so much.
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You're acting like this doesn't apply to literally anything he does. Daniel is a mortal; there are no quick, easy, safe, and enduring ways to make them exalted circle grade.

He'd chronically struggle to keep the pace, and require increasingly elaborate games to make it work. Things that would change him fundamentally and create lifelong obligations he might regret.

Finding something where the right mortal in the right place can move mountains is a better idea.

uju32 said:
Alright.

I'd like to make a general comment then:
We are going to raise the issue of Nemesis here, and its subversion of Mab's high ranking courtiers in general, and her daughter in particular. We might also raise the fact that we can exorcise it.

Both capital M Major secrets.

A primary consideration is going to be that whoever we bring is protected against both magical Nemesis fuckery, and just being grabbed off the street and beaten with a $5 socket wrench until they talk.
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Also worth noting that we might be horse trading with her a bit. Seeing us like that could influence our relationships with the people we bring.
Yog said:
Before we even contemplate telling this to Mab, explain the cover story that prevents Mab from learning about our Crown and how it works. Because that's a deal breaker for me, and not only for me, and I'll devote everything I can to preventing Mab from learning about how our Crown functions until we, personally, can take her, Titania, and both Mothers in combat.
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The key to a good lie, like most other things, is KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

Trying to create an elaborate cover is just giving data points for the target to chew on and find flaws in. Given enough time nearly anything short of the truth can be picked apart.

The appropriate lie to tell is nothing. We know "because fuck you that's how" Mab certainly won't tell us why she knows things.

It'll make her curious, but there isn't anything to indicate the real truth to her and it's highly unlikely that she actually guesses the truth. It just doesn't make sense under the normal paradigm.
 
uju32 said:
We have a gift for Divination. And even that is being generous.
Because here's the secret: No-one actually expects you to give up secrets about how your powers or intelligence network works.

When Dresden called Lea for information and got Mab in Dead Beat, he didn't ask how she knew the things she was saying. When Odin told him what the Reds were planning in Changes, he didn't ask how he knew. When the Gatekeeper told Ebenezar to tell Dresden there was black magic in Chicago, Dresden didn't ask how he knew.

When Dresden spoke ancient Etruscan in the Raith Deeps and ancient Sumerian to ghouls in front of Carlos, Carlos didn't ask him where he learned it.
When Carlos requested information from Winter Lady Molly, he didn't demand the source.

This is the Dresdenverse. Information is power.
Asking a person to reveal their own secrets when they are doing you a favor isn't actually done, nor is it an expectation by anyone.
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Information is power. And accusing WInter Lady and several of top vassals of Winter of being Nemesis controlled is a very serious thing that requires proof. Because Winter doesn't have an easy way to check. If they had, there would be no corrupted in the higher echelons of the court, as regular checks would be implemented. Thus, before Mab acts, and weakens her court (and acting against Winter Lady and a number of nobles is weakening the court) she would need proof.

Remember - Mab doesn't trust us. At all. She assumes we'll try to betray her and will be her enemy. That's how Mab acts. So yes, she'll absolutely require an explanation for this accusation, or she's likely to consider this an attack - an attempt to sow confusion and disunity into the heart of Winter and to weaken it.

And "I have a gift of divination that can see Nemesis without any focus" is too close to "I have unrestricted Intellectus" for my comfort.

You'll have to come up with something better for me not to oppose this course of action vehemently.

On my side of the argument, the best I can see is this : disclose the Exorcism ritual. If Mab takes the bait, she'll find someone possessed that she's willing to completely lose (i.e. she'll be vivisecting their body, mind and soul after we deal with Nemesis to destructively check for effectiveness and possible booby traps left by us). This will give her proof that we can remove Nemesis. It will also give us an excuse to tell her the other names, as the "we used Nemesis as a focus to find other Nemesis victims" is much less scary than "we learned it from a random note that speculated about Winter's corruption".

BronzeTongue said:
The key to a good lie, like most other things, is KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

Trying to create an elaborate cover is just giving data points for the target to chew on and find flaws in. Given enough time nearly anything short of the truth can be picked apart.

The appropriate lie to tell is nothing. We know "because fuck you that's how" Mab certainly won't tell us why she knows things.

It'll make her curious, but there isn't anything to indicate the real truth to her and it's highly unlikely that she actually guesses the truth. It just doesn't make sense under the normal paradigm.
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It'll make her assume, because she has to assume such things, that this is an attack. Either we are working with Nemesis (are infected) and are giving her false leads. Or some of those are correct but not all. Or there's political maneuvering of us with Maeve / Titania / whoever to remove Man, or weaken Winter Court.

Mab is paranoid. Justifiably so. Mab doesn't (arguable can't) trust us at all. Mab has a reason to believe that we would want to see Winter Court and her personally weakened, if not dead. Mab knows that Nemesis is a memetic hazard she can't easily detect. "Your daughter and their possibly key nobles of yor court are Nemesis victims" sounds like an attempt to entrap her.
 
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You're acting like this doesn't apply to literally anything he does. Daniel is a mortal; there are no quick, easy, safe, and enduring ways to make them exalted circle grade.

He'd chronically struggle to keep the pace, and require increasingly elaborate games to make it work. Things that would change him fundamentally and create lifelong obligations he might regret.

Finding something where the right mortal in the right place can move mountains is a better idea.


Also worth noting that we might be horse trading with her a bit. Seeing us like that could influence our relationships with the people we bring.

The key to a good lie, like most other things, is KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

Trying to create an elaborate cover is just giving data points for the target to chew on and find flaws in. Given enough time nearly anything short of the truth can be picked apart.

The appropriate lie to tell is nothing. We know "because fuck you that's how" Mab certainly won't tell us why she knows things.

It'll make her curious, but there isn't anything to indicate the real truth to her and it's highly unlikely that she actually guesses the truth. It just doesn't make sense under the normal paradigm.
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the point wasn't to make them measure up the point is to make them feel helpful. But, again we just aren't getting to those amount of times in character since he can't just get high up in the government when laws prevent that stuff no matter the skill. Also fairly sure we have some ways to help rapid skill gain.
 
Yog said:
Information is power. And accusing WInter Lady and several of top vassals of Winter of being Nemesis controlled is a very serious thing that requires proof.
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No it does not.
Mab can check for herself, either directly or by looking at their activities. Thats how she figured out Lea's corruption, and Maeve's in canon.

The Mothers can do so as well.They can even ask the Gatekeeper to take a look.

Nemesis is very good at hiding, but its primary skill has been avoiding notice.
If Winter has a reason to examine someone closely, they can find it.
Like I said, Mab did so with Lea and Maeve in canon, without assistance as far as we know.

She can do the same here if you give her a heads up.
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Because Winter doesn't have an easy way to check.
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Correction:
Winter does not have an easy way to screen the millions and millions of Winter Fae or the billions of other sapients.
Winter CAN check. The Gatekeeper CAN check.

When the pool of people is just 3, checking is much easier than when you have to look at 3 million.
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Remember - Mab doesn't trust us. At all.
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And? Mab trusts very few people.
She does not actually have to trust you to check your words.
In fact, she's obligated to check; if nothing else, she's conscientious about her duty.
 
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Yog said:
Information is power. And accusing WInter Lady and several of top vassals of Winter of being Nemesis controlled is a very serious thing that requires proof. Because Winter doesn't have an easy way to check. If they had, there would be no corrupted in the higher echelons of the court, as regular checks would be implemented. Thus, before Mab acts, and weakens her court (and acting against Winter Lady and a number of nobles is weakening the court) she would need proof.

Remember - Mab doesn't trust us. At all. She assumes we'll try to betray her and will be her enemy. That's how Mab acts. So yes, she'll absolutely require an explanation for this accusation, or she's likely to consider this an attack - an attempt to sow confusion and disunity into the heart of Winter and to weaken it.

And "I have a gift of divination that can see Nemesis without any focus" is too close to "I have unrestricted Intellectus" for my comfort.

You'll have to come up with something better for me not to oppose this course of action vehemently.

On my side of the argument, the best I can see is this : disclose the Exorcism ritual. If Mab takes the bait, she'll find someone possessed that she's willing to completely lose (i.e. she'll be vivisecting their body, mind and soul after we deal with Nemesis to destructively check for effectiveness and possible booby traps left by us). This will give her proof that we can remove Nemesis. It will also give us an excuse to tell her the other names, as the "we used Nemesis as a focus to find other Nemesis victims" is much less scary than "we learned it from a random note that speculated about Winter's corruption".


It'll make her assume, because she has to assume such things, that this is an attack. Either we are working with Nemesis (are infected) and are giving her false leads. Or some of those are correct but not all. Or there's political maneuvering of us with Maeve / Titania / whoever to remove Man, or weaken Winter Court.

Mab is paranoid. Justifiably so. Mab doesn't (arguable can't) trust us at all. Mab has a reason to believe that we would want to see Winter Court and her personally weakened, if not dead. Mab knows that Nemesis is a memetic hazard she can't easily detect. "Your daughter and their possibly key nobles of yor court are Nemesis victims" sounds like an attempt to entrap her.
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Even having a conversation about foci is too far, you're getting into mechanics. No one ever gets into mechanics about their abilities. We don't need to, and trying is kind of a flag we're trying to get a story ahead of the truth.

Winter doesn't have an easy way to tell, but they have at least few means available. The gatekeeper being the most direct of them.

There are just limits on their use and the infected avoid things that might reveal them. It's also worth noting that nemesis has evidently never made it this far before, and is operating on a much shorter time table than it does for its usual plots. Doesn't seem that it expects to stay hidden for long.

As to whether she trusts us or not; it doesn't matter. This is like reporting a bomb threat in a prominent public building or something. They can't not take it seriously once they have specific claims to investigate. The proof of our ability will be in the results of those investigations. She'll press us for more, but we don't answer to her. We're within our rights to say refuse to answer and she knows it. Moreover literally anyone who can help her with her problems is the same way and will refuse to explain their abilities for the same reasons.

By attempting to deflect you're falling directly into the situation you're afraid of.

She'll have contingencies for other scenarios, but only one will pan out when she digs into it.
 
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No it does not.
Mab can check for herself, either directly or by looking at their activities. Thats how she figured out Lea's corruption.
The Mothers can do so as well.They can even ask the Gatekeeper to take a look.

Nemesis is very good at hiding, but its primary skill has been avoiding notice.
If Winter has a reason to examine someone closely, they can find it.
Like I said, Mab did so with Lea.
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If checking was essentially a free action, every noble of Winter would routinely be checked. They are not, and so it is not. Either it is expensive, in magical reagents, political capital or some other currency equivalent, or it is time consuming, which means that to check important people, like Gatekeeper or Mothers would have to stop doing what they are doing (and they are all essentially always busy) to devote their time to this task, or it is dangerous, either to the one doing the checking, or the one being checked, or there's some other reason that makes checking critical personnel for Nemesis a non-trivial task that can't be performed regularly.

I am not saying that Mab cannot verify our claims. She likely can. But that would cost her resources - time, favors, power, opportunities, etc. And while she is doing the checking, she will have to keep in mind, and protect herself and her court from the possibility that this is a ruse. That we are using this accusation to divert her attention from something, to occupy her so we can maneuver against her, etc. And she'll have to take actions to prevent this eventuality from coming to fruition.

If you want Mab to call Nicodemius for help to keep us in check while she deals with the possibility of her court being corrupted, that's how you get her to call Nicodemius.

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Winter does not have an easy way to screen the millions and millions of Winter Fae or the billions of other sapients.
Winter CAN check. The Gatekeeper CAN check
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No, Winter does not have an easy way to check even the most critical personnel and high nobles. Why? Because it doesn't. If it had, it would screen at least Lady, Queen and Mother routinely. Like, there would be a regular meeting with both Mab and Titania being present, where they would check each other. If they don't do it, they can't do it,

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And? Mab trusts very few people.
She does not actually have to trust you to check your words.
In fact, she's obligated to check; if nothing else, she's conscientious about her duty.
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She'll check, yes, but while she's doing so, she'll have to operate as if this could be a ploy by us aimed against her or those she's checking.
 
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Even having a conversation about foci is too far, you're getting into mechanics. No one ever gets into mechanics about their abilities. We don't need to, and trying is kind of a flag we're trying to get a story ahead of the truth.

Winter doesn't have an easy way to tell, but they have at least few means available. The gatekeeper being the most direct of them.

There are just limits on their use and the infected avoid things that might reveal them. It's also worth noting that nemesis has evidently never made it this far before, and is operating on a much shorter time table than it does for its usual plots. Doesn't seem that it expects to stay hidden for long.

As to whether she trusts us or not; it doesn't matter. This is like reporting a bomb threat in a prominent public building or something. They can't not take it seriously once they have specific claims to investigate. The proof of our ability will be in the results of those investigations. She'll press us for more, but we don't answer to her. We're within our rights to say refuse to answer and she knows it. Moreover literally anyone who can help her with her problems is the same way and will refuse to explain their abilities for the same reasons.

By attempting to deflect you're falling directly into the situation you're afraid of.

She'll have contingencies for other scenarios, but only one will pan out when she digs into it.
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See my response above. Calling in Gatekeeper requires them to trade favors to him, puts him in potential danger (in case it's a trap of some kind), and take up his time, removing him from his normal duties. Like, if we wanted to summon an Old One through the gates (and if anyone can, it's an Infernal), sacrificing a couple of high placed corrupted to remove Gatekeeper from his normal duties would totally be a good ploy.

She can check, will check, and afterwards will consider herself in debt to us,all those are true. But before she can check, she'll have to act like this is a hostile plot against her.
 
Yog said:
No, Winter does not have an easy way to check even the most critical personnel and high nobles. Why? Because it doesn't. If it had, it would screen at least Lady, Queen and Mother routinely. Like, there would be a regular meeting with both Mab and Titania being present, where they would check each other. If they don't do it, they can't do it,
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Rashid the Gatekeeper can. Cite
look at the Cold Days section.

My bet is that just looking is intensely unpleasant for Rashid and the target, with potential consequences in the forms of psychic damage for the guy holding the scanning equipment if he delves too deep.

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Yog said:
See my response above. Calling in Gatekeeper requires them to trade favors to him, puts him in potential danger (in case it's a trap of some kind), and take up his time, removing him from his normal duties. Like, if we wanted to summon an Old One through the gates (and if anyone can, it's an Infernal), sacrificing a couple of high placed corrupted to remove Gatekeeper from his normal duties would totally be a good ploy.

She can check, will check, and afterwards will consider herself in debt to us,all those are true. But before she can check, she'll have to act like this is a hostile plot against her.
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This is a key part of the Gatekeeper's job. I doubt it's that expensive if he charges at all. It's possible Mab will just bundle up her kid and cronies to drag them into his office during Rashid's business hours.

I don't see this as a serious problem. Mab isn't going to pull the trigger till she knows something, and what she'll find is the truth.

Telling her any details about our abilities in an attempt to assuage her is a mistake. We don't need an explanation to make her act.
 
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Even having a conversation about foci is too far, you're getting into mechanics. No one ever gets into mechanics about their abilities. We don't need to, and trying is kind of a flag we're trying to get a story ahead of the truth.
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Also worth noting:
Prophets, and the gift of prophecy? Are a thing in this universe.
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If checking was essentially a free action, every noble of Winter would routinely be checked.
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The Gatekeeper routinely screens Winter's soldiers at the Outer Gates for Outsiders trying to infiltrate in the bodies of the injured. Its his job. And he explicitly says that he learned to detect Nemesis from the Fates, who in this universe apparently are the Mothers(see Dresden summon Mother Winter).
I nodded, thinking. "Okay," I said. "First, how do you know if the adversary has . . . infested someone?"
"Experience," he said. "Decades of it. The Sight can help, but . . ." Rashid hesitated. I recognized it instantly, the hiccup in one's thoughts when one stumbled over a truly hideous memory gained with the Sight, like I'd had with—
Ugh.
—the naagloshii.
"I don't recommend making a regular practice of it," he continued. "It's an art, not a skill, and it takes time. Time, or a bit of questionable attention from the Fates and a ridiculously enormous tool." He tapped a finger against his false eye.
I blinked, even though he didn't, and looked up at the massive gates stretching overhead. "Hell's bells. The gates . . . they're . . . some kind of spiritual CAT scanner?"
"Among many other things," he said. "But it's one of their functions, yes. Mostly it means that the adversary cannot use such tactics effectively here. As long as the Gatekeeper is vigilant, it rarely tries." The horns sounded again, and the muscles in his jaw tensed. "Next question."
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So its a capability we KNOW they have.

If you think that Mab would not trade a favor to screen her own fucking daughter and heir, my dude, you dont understand her.
And literally screening Winter's soldiers is the Gatekeeper's job.

Like BronzeTongue said, you do not NOT respond to a bomb threat.
Or in the US, a report of a mass shooting.
No 911 operator is going to ask you to prove it when you call in that someone in your building is making a bomb.

Yog said:
No, Winter does not have an easy way to check even the most critical personnel and high nobles. Why? Because it doesn't. If it had, it would screen at least Lady, Queen and Mother routinely. Like, there would be a regular meeting with both Mab and Titania being present, where they would check each other. If they don't do it, they can't do it,
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You're explicitly wrong about this. Its been established.

In canon, it took Mab time, but she figured out her daughter was Nfested independently; she knew by the time of Small Favor, which was why she was so furious she couldn't talk to people with her own voice without damaging them, and she didn't have any way to do anything about it until she got Dresden as Winter Knight.

There's a reason her FIRST job for Dresden as Winter Knight was to kill her daughter.
Four years after we know she was aware it out.

Why?
Winter Royalty cannot arbitrarily kill each other. There are Rules.
The Winter Knight, on the other hand, can execute Winter Royalty if necessary. Its part of his job description.
 
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Yog said:
She'll check, yes, but while she's doing so, she'll have to operate as if this could be a ploy by us aimed against her or those she's checking.
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She literally has a thousand years of operation on us. Consider what that means in terms of resources and favors.

Mab spent six months in canon in Chicago doing nothing else besides just keeping Dresden's body alive between the end of Changes and the events of Ghost Story.
Then she spent another five months personally nursing Dresden back to health and combat capability.

If you think she doesnt have the multi-tasking resources to investigate just three members of her own Court while doing her duties, my dude, you're missing the point of Queen of Air and Darkness, Defender of The Outer Gates.
 
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For the meeting itself, I don't think it should be anyone but Molly and Mab in the room, but for support, I think we should have Michael and Harry nearby, as in waiting in the back of the pub.

It's not Mab we need to worry about, but who else might try to prevent us from reaching the place or who might try to take a shot at us when we leave.
 
Yog said:
See my response above. Calling in Gatekeeper requires them to trade favors to him, puts him in potential danger (in case it's a trap of some kind), and take up his time, removing him from his normal duties. Like, if we wanted to summon an Old One through the gates (and if anyone can, it's an Infernal), sacrificing a couple of high placed corrupted to remove Gatekeeper from his normal duties would totally be a good ploy.

She can check, will check, and afterwards will consider herself in debt to us,all those are true. But before she can check, she'll have to act like this is a hostile plot against her.
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-Its unlikely to be the first time she's ever traded favors with Rashid.
And detecting the Adversary is literally his job.

-Rashid works at the Outer Gates. He's been in danger for more than a thousand years.
AND he can see possible futures to some extent.

-You cant simultaneously assert that Mab knows enough about us that she thinks we can summon an Old One through the Gates(for the record, thats a thing that we cannot do, at least at the moment) and yet she does not know enough to realize that we might have exotic information-gathering resources.

Despite literally working with the Gatekeeper and the Mothers, both of whom can see potential futures.
Or that the daughter of a Knight, living under a Knight's roof with Uriel's approval, apparently has an interest in murdering a wizard she has never met and probably has never heard of.

Mab is justifiably paranoid and careful, but she is rational, not crazy.
 
[X] No one

I feel that showing that we are independent and staying on our own is more important here than showing up with support.
Besides, we have information about the Winter Court being infiltrated by the Outsiders, including Maeve. If we want to tell anything about it to Mab, we really should make sure there are no witnesses, since this is something Mab will be willing to kill nearly everyone about to keep secret.
 
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