Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

You know; another way this car is unique is that is can't have an onboard computer, so everything must be controlled by mechanical or hardocded feedback.

That's because Molly hasn't had time to reproduce the centuries or even millennia of man-hours it took to write the code of a car like this.

Fantastic construction scene here. And a potent humblebrag of what Molly is capable of.
Looks increasingly like we might not bother buying our parents or Dresden new cars, and might just build them instead.
At worst we buy cars that have been written off so we can use its VIN number to register it at the DMV.

No need. Building your own car at home is legal in the US. You just need to take it into the DMV for them to inspect it for the presence of mandatory safety features like seatbelts.
 
1)Not yet.
Id rather not redo Molly's equipment before picking up some of the Blessing of the Dragon spells.
I disagree. We are at least two arcs away from blessings, or at least I would be voting that way (for me, Awakened Eye is more of a priority, and we need other stuff besides). "Perfect is the enemy of good enough" is a fitting saying here, if a double edged one for my argument. The equipment we can make now is two degrees of legendarity up from what we could make when we started. This is sufficient enough upgrade to warrant going for it.
 
I disagree. We are at least two arcs away from blessings, or at least I would be voting that way (for me, Awakened Eye is more of a priority, and we need other stuff besides). "Perfect is the enemy of good enough" is a fitting saying here, if a double edged one for my argument. The equipment we can make now is two degrees of legendarity up from what we could make when we started. This is sufficient enough upgrade to warrant going for it.
Went back and checked the updates involved. We got 9 successes on our armor and 10 on our shield. We're going to want to up our Craft to 5 dots or get another dice adder or difficulty reducer before we can do much more than that on a consistent basis. We got a lucky roll for the car.

And I'm pretty sure the Blessing spells can be added just as well after the fact. We could totally do a Blessing on the Ebon Scales or Dark Sun Shield right now if we had the spell. So it doesn't really matter.

What I do think is worth doing is a set of armor and shield for when we want to be obvious that sacrifices concealment for extra functionality. Even mortal-crafted armor of sufficient quality can provide an extra soak die if you don't care about concealing it. Getting something to wear when we want to really show off or otherwise don't care if people know we're wearing armor would be nice, even if it's a "special occasions" armor instead of an everyday armor.
 
Shame we couldn't lock ourself up for a few days or we could have brought the DC all the way down to 3.
 
I don't see much reason to redo equipment for a long while, Alchemy 5 or 6 to make adamant or some such. And the blessing spells are worse then what Enchanting can do even at 3 dots, so they are a waste of XP.
 
I don't see much reason to redo equipment for a long while, Alchemy 5 or 6 to make adamant or some such. And the blessing spells are worse then what Enchanting can do even at 3 dots, so they are a waste of XP.

Thing is, things made with Enchantment in this (and I think the WoD) setting need regular maintenance or it stops working. It's not once and done, unlike the Blessing spells.
 
Went back and checked the updates involved. We got 9 successes on our armor and 10 on our shield. We're going to want to up our Craft to 5 dots or get another dice adder or difficulty reducer before we can do much more than that on a consistent basis. We got a lucky roll for the car.

And I'm pretty sure the Blessing spells can be added just as well after the fact. We could totally do a Blessing on the Ebon Scales or Dark Sun Shield right now if we had the spell. So it doesn't really matter.

What I do think is worth doing is a set of armor and shield for when we want to be obvious that sacrifices concealment for extra functionality. Even mortal-crafted armor of sufficient quality can provide an extra soak die if you don't care about concealing it. Getting something to wear when we want to really show off or otherwise don't care if people know we're wearing armor would be nice, even if it's a "special occasions" armor instead of an everyday armor.
We got difficulty adjusters since then. -4 DC adds a lot of difference.
 
Thing is, things made with Enchantment in this (and I think the WoD) setting need regular maintenance or it stops working. It's not once and done, unlike the Blessing spells.
If we get prince of ruin attitude we don't need to worry about maintenance for our personal equipment it will serve us regardless.
 
Obviously a car protects it's passengers from the environment. That is one of the main differences between a car and a motorcycle.

While if you had been designing shelter for the express purpose of protecting someone from the environment would have given you the bonus, this was not that, it is a car you are handing out as a diplomatic gift to one of the toughest beings you know. It is too tenuous a connection to environmental protection
 
You know; another way this car is unique is that is can't have an onboard computer, so everything must be controlled by mechanical or hardocded feedback.

That's because Molly hasn't had time to reproduce the centuries or even millennia of man-hours it took to write the code of a car like this.
1)Pretty sure it has an onboard computer.

2)You dont need to reproduce the entire codebase from scratch; that's just unnecessary.
You download the codebase of a similar vehicle from scratch, and work on it from there; with Tool Constructs + her Tech 3 cyberdevils, she can spawn a supercomputer with design software and not-Chat GPT and customize the code required.

Kinda like how a lot of older systems today run on heavily customized Windows OS.

Thats certainly what I assumed she did.
She certainly didn't do the initial CAD design work on a laptop that's for sure.
That required some serious heavy metal to model.

No need. Building your own car at home is legal in the US. You just need to take it into the DMV for them to inspect it for the presence of mandatory safety features like seatbelts.
Trying to avoid unnecessary attention.
The rules for building your own vehicle require that you did it yourself, and if your registration says that you essentially built an original car yourself, in a garage, with a box of scraps? Its the kind of story that gets around.

Easier to avoid it by simply buying an existing car, whether new or after its been totaled in a car wreck and using its VIN as a rebuilt car. Nevermind that everything underneath the skin has been swapped; the govt isn't going to check.
I disagree. We are at least two arcs away from blessings, or at least I would be voting that way (for me, Awakened Eye is more of a priority, and we need other stuff besides). "Perfect is the enemy of good enough" is a fitting saying here, if a double edged one for my argument. The equipment we can make now is two degrees of legendarity up from what we could make when we started. This is sufficient enough upgrade to warrant going for it.
One degree of Legendary =/= Better Armor soak.
Having done some of the math, I am counting on Alchemy 3(Primum Metallaum) to add 1 dot of soak, and Blessing of the Earth Dragon to add a second dot of soak for a total of Soak 3 in a new version of Ebon Scales.

Not if we're paying AP for it.
There's a bunch of stuff I'd rather spend time on, like building Molly/Dresden/Lydia new cellphones with enough functionality to ensure secure comms. And better sensors.
Went back and checked the updates involved. We got 9 successes on our armor and 10 on our shield. We're going to want to up our Craft to 5 dots or get another dice adder or difficulty reducer before we can do much more than that on a consistent basis. We got a lucky roll for the car.

And I'm pretty sure the Blessing spells can be added just as well after the fact. We could totally do a Blessing on the Ebon Scales or Dark Sun Shield right now if we had the spell. So it doesn't really matter.

What I do think is worth doing is a set of armor and shield for when we want to be obvious that sacrifices concealment for extra functionality. Even mortal-crafted armor of sufficient quality can provide an extra soak die if you don't care about concealing it. Getting something to wear when we want to really show off or otherwise don't care if people know we're wearing armor would be nice, even if it's a "special occasions" armor instead of an everyday armor.
Given as Holden appears to have deliberately gotten rid of the Hammerspace and armor-donning charms?
It does not appear to be worth the trouble.
Especially since bulkier armor applies Dexterity penalties to our dice pool.
 
Given as Holden appears to have deliberately gotten rid of the Hammerspace and armor-donning charms?
It does not appear to be worth the trouble.
Especially since bulkier armor applies Dexterity penalties to our dice pool.
There are still circumstances where we will want to leave our house obviously dressed for battle or to impress in an old-school "intimidating armor" way. And I wasn't talking about going bulkier. The rules say you can get -0 armor with 2 soak dice "or 1 soak if concealed." I'm suggesting we make 2 soak armor that can't be concealed, and use that sometimes instead of the 1 soak concealable armor we usually wear. Essentially the supernatural world's version of a "dress to impress" outfit with -0 Dexterity penalty, +2 soak dice, and a "superior craftsmanship" bonus to social rolls. Something you wear to the kind of diplomatic meetings where obviously wearing well-made armor and having an extra die of soak is a good thing. And don't tell me that the situation will never come up with the current supernatural political landscape as it is. Even if it sits in our closet most of the time, it's still good to have.
 
One degree of Legendary =/= Better Armor soak.
Having done some of the math, I am counting on Alchemy 3(Primum Metallaum) to add 1 dot of soak, and Blessing of the Earth Dragon to add a second dot of soak for a total of Soak 3 in a new version of Ebon Scales.

Not if we're paying AP for it.
There's a bunch of stuff I'd rather spend time on, like building Molly/Dresden/Lydia new cellphones with enough functionality to ensure secure comms. And better sensors.
We are going to be spending AP on craft anyway, repaying Odin. using a second AP (from the coffee, since it can only be used to extend a given project, not for a new one) to also make armor and equipment for us and our allies at the same time makes sense.
 
There are still circumstances where we will want to leave our house obviously dressed for battle or to impress in an old-school "intimidating armor" way. And I wasn't talking about going bulkier. The rules say you can get -0 armor with 2 soak dice "or 1 soak if concealed." I'm suggesting we make 2 soak armor that can't be concealed, and use that sometimes instead of the 1 soak concealable armor we usually wear. Essentially the supernatural world's version of a "dress to impress" outfit with -0 Dexterity penalty, +2 soak dice, and a "superior craftsmanship" bonus to social rolls. Something you wear to the kind of diplomatic meetings where obviously wearing well-made armor and having an extra die of soak is a good thing. And don't tell me that the situation will never come up with the current supernatural political landscape as it is. Even if it sits in our closet most of the time, it's still good to have.
I'd wait until we have the Blessing that negates one Dex-penalty from armor.

Making a +3 Armor is getting into the good stuff for me, in that area we could get away with a bit of actual plate rather than just chainmail and leather.

Which seems like a much better foundation for a Dress to Impress armor.
 
Again alchemy and enchanting paths do more they anything raw craft/the blessing spells could do so up the them and then make stuff. Something like Adamant armor could be +3 base soak with no dex penalty, on top of another +3 star from being enchanted.
 
You know if Harry's main limiting factor on magic items is how much time he has to spend on maintenance then if he made us something and we get prince of ruin attitude he wouldn't have to maintain it.
 
Not by raw unless you include maintenance as a downside. And even if we do maintenance can just be something Molly's followers handle.
By RAW Dresden spends a lot of unspecified time doing maintenance on his gear.
Word of Jim is 20 hours a week; I quote:
2013 Wyrdcon Q&A
How do you decide what is going to become a part of Harry's permanent arsenal and what isn't

Harry spends about 20 hours a week just making sure that his stuff keeps working. For the most part he's got a part time job where he's at the wizard Gym making sure that his stuff keeps going. I've got a vague limit figured out of this is how much he can maintain at any one time. So the stuff he maintains as part of his arsenal is stuff that is going to be useful in the majority of the situations he's going to face.
He often needs to blow something up: Blasting Rod.
He often needs something to help him out with a number of minor chores: Staff.
Not getting shot by bullets is great: Shield Bracelet.
The force rings were something that were great, because you never know when you could be going to the grocery store and BAM 30 ghouls.
He can't have unlimited stuff, he's got to keep it up. If he's got a new toy, it's something I've got a purpose in mind for in the story.
OOC, we know that its simply a narrative convenience for the author to prevent Dresden building up stuff.

IC? Several possibilities present themselves. Its possible that its because
-He doesn't have the right crafter Merits yet,
-He doesn't have Craft+Occult high enough
-He isn't rolling enough successes or using high-enough materials to make permanent gear

It certainly doesn't appear to be as much of a problem for other wizards and sorcerers in-universe.

I dont see Luccio doing maintenance on every Warden sword she makes, or Ancient Mai having to do weekly maintenance on her wardhounds, or Victor Sells having to do maintenance on his scorpion drones, and the slime golems that have been repeatedly referenced, and so on.

So that's QM's discretion.
There are still circumstances where we will want to leave our house obviously dressed for battle or to impress in an old-school "intimidating armor" way. And I wasn't talking about going bulkier. The rules say you can get -0 armor with 2 soak dice "or 1 soak if concealed." I'm suggesting we make 2 soak armor that can't be concealed, and use that sometimes instead of the 1 soak concealable armor we usually wear. Essentially the supernatural world's version of a "dress to impress" outfit with -0 Dexterity penalty, +2 soak dice, and a "superior craftsmanship" bonus to social rolls. Something you wear to the kind of diplomatic meetings where obviously wearing well-made armor and having an extra die of soak is a good thing. And don't tell me that the situation will never come up with the current supernatural political landscape as it is. Even if it sits in our closet most of the time, it's still good to have.
Can I get a citation for this please?
My understanding is that we are using a mix of ExWoD and V20 rules for armor and weapons.
I dont recall this being stated.

Dresden Files NPCs dont appear to wear visible/obvious armor to diplomatic meetings.
The closest I recall we have ever seen to that was Bianca's Ball, when Ferrovax cosplayed as a Roman centurion and Michael may have been wearing armor because he went as himself, a Knight.

Normal diplomacy, even between sworn enemies, does not appear to involve visible armor and armaments.
Even Dresden only wears his trench coat and staff, and he has the excuse that he wears it everywhere if he can.
We are going to be spending AP on craft anyway, repaying Odin. using a second AP (from the coffee, since it can only be used to extend a given project, not for a new one) to also make armor and equipment for us and our allies at the same time makes sense.
I suspect Training has a lock on that extra AP, given that we need to get the discount on purchasing some capabilities ASAP.
The things Molly probably needs fabbed fastest
The things that would be most useful require Exalted Crafting or high-tier Enchantment.

You know if Harry's main limiting factor on magic items is how much time he has to spend on maintenance then if he made us something and we get prince of ruin attitude he wouldn't have to maintain it.
Thats not how Prince of Ruin works.
 
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