Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Copper might also be used for the wiring, but pretty much, yeah. Also custom composite materials according to my dad. Lots of complicated stuff, but we made a working submarine from random scrap in a few hours. This is a comparative cakewalk.
 
Current tally:
Ok, I can see that getting to Maeve, just so we can show up to meeting with Mab with her in tow, Nemesis free, and gift her a walker's corpse is not going to win. So, let's try and make the car work.

[X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
-[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
--[X] Use full suit of enchantments to work on the project - work while wet to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery in a locked freezer to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention and Without Honor Without Hope and try and trigger Transcendent Lord of Flies when working on the chassis and environmental controls of the car
--[X] Use Cyberdevils to help with the design, and Lydia if she is interested in helping on such a project
--[X] STUNT: As you watch flatbed trucks leaving, their loads of titainium, molybdenum, aluminum, carbon and other materials removed and lying before you, ready to be carried into the depths of your territory, you idly wonder what their drivers think about having to transport and unload the fairly high tech materials into what can, at best, be called a "post industrial wasteland", full of rusted machinery and decrepit building. Once the mortals are safely out of sight, an effort of will brings forth a motorized forklift, with a fork looking more suited to skewer sinners in hell, than industrial palletts, yet still perfectly functional. Whistling innocently, you drive towards the building, where the actual assembly is going to take place, a heavy rusted-looking lock on its door keeping the invigorating chill in.

[X] Replace Green Sun Nimbus Flare with By Agony Empowered, making Molly less vulnerable to being overwhelmed by mundane damage

We can repurchase GSNF at E4. E4 is far away, but it's doable, I think.
Flatbed trucks???

1) The Rolls Royce Phantom has a curb weight of 2.6 tons and its considered to be a heavy car.
By contrast, the mundane F150 light pickup seen everywhere in the US can tow 5 tons.
Nevermind a work van like the GMC Savanna.

Essentially?
You can deliver all the ingots of raw materials for building a one off vehicle with a single trip of a pickup truck or full-size van.
If you have flatbed trucks, plural, delivering raw materials, you are thinking triple digit numbers of vehicles.


2)Furthermore, we aren't building the vehicle underground anyway.
Because it would be impossible to bring it to the surface.
Not without having to break it up into pieces and defeat the whole purpose of building the damn thing in the first place.
 
Current tally:
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on May 10, 2023 at 6:51 AM, finished with 102 posts and 28 votes.

  • [X] Spend some time with your family, you have prepared enough already
    [X] Replace Green Sun Nimbus Flare with By Agony Empowered, making Molly less vulnerable to being overwhelmed by mundane damage
    [X] Keep the current patch: Green Sun Nimbus Flare is soakable by things that can soak Aggravated Damage. At Essence 4 that is no longer the case
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
    [X] Charm adds damage dice not straight damage until Essence 4
    [X] Meet with one of Mab's daughters and try to gain their support
    -[X] Meave the Winter Lady, your Malk neighbors should know where to find her and she would be the least suspicious to engage with
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a single atom of iron in it
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
    --[X] Use full suit of enchantments to work on the project - work while wet to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery in a locked freezer to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention and Without Honor Without Hope and try and trigger Transcendent Lord of Flies when working on the chassis and environmental controls of the car
    --[X] Use Cyberdevils to help with the design, and Lydia if she is interested in helping on such a project
    --[X] STUNT: As you watch flatbed trucks leaving, their loads of titainium, molybdenum, aluminum, carbon and other materials removed and lying before you, ready to be carried into the depths of your territory, you idly wonder what their drivers think about having to transport and unload the fairly high tech materials into what can, at best, be called a "post industrial wasteland", full of rusted machinery and decrepit building. Once the mortals are safely out of sight, an effort of will brings forth a motorized forklift, with a fork looking more suited to skewer sinners in hell, than industrial palletts, yet still perfectly functional. Whistling innocently, you drive towards the building, where the actual assembly is going to take place, a heavy rusted-looking lock on its door keeping the invigorating chill in.
 
1)Citation please.
While very few people have the ability to manifest a visible anima banner, I do not recall it ever being suggested that just having anima is exclusive to a sub-population of Humanity and its relatives.

This is a WoD crossover after all; vampires explicitly use Auspex to view the auras of mortal humans, and Mages use Prime to do the same thing.
Here:


In theory having an anima banner is not that exotic, it is the condition of your soul being too big for your body, that kind of mismatch sounds like it could happen for all sorts of reasons as far as Molly is able to intuit.
That's... an interesting bit of knowledge to have. We should probably look those up, and maybe spend some effort disguising ourselves as one of those. Because "it's an exalt" is the "throw everything at it before it becomes too powerful" warning to powerful and old things. But if there are other beings, even if powerful ones, that have the same observable characteristics, but aren't (solaroid) exalts, we could prevent ourselves from being discovered. Let me guess - Saints' halos are a form of anima, right?
Yes, also ancient Black Courtt vampires, certain kinds of spirit bindings that create a composite being etc... Anything that used to be mortal, retains broadly the same physical shape and even physical body while transcending he condition in some obvious way.
3)Very few political campaigns have been won by masterful application of expression.
A lot more are won by appeals to emotion and the impression that a politician empathizes with and shares the electorate's concerns.
The text for expression in Vampire explicitely says that this is what ancient monsters pursue to twist minds with their words.
Titanium. Aluminium. Carbon nanotubes.
The issue is also logistics and getting the raw materials. That takes time. And welding titanium is IRL DC9 challenge.

Might be an issue with language. How do you call trucks / vehicles that transport long (6 meters typically for pipes / beams and 2X3 meters for plates / sheets) materials? I have this in mind. These are how you usually transport metal sheets, rolls of foil, beams and pipes by car. It's not an issue of weight, it's an issue of size.
Essentially?
You can deliver all the ingots of raw materials for building a one off vehicle with a single trip of a pickup truck or full-size van.
If you have flatbed trucks, plural, delivering raw materials, you are thinking triple digit numbers of vehicles.
It's harder to obtain ingots in time. In a city like Chicacgo you likely can obtain sheets, pipes, platers of metal in standard sizes in a day. Ingots of raw materials would take much more time, and we'd have to spend additional time processing them.

Plural is because you are likely to source copper from one firm, titanium from another, and aluminum blocks from a third one.

I do this kind of strange purchases for a living. A laboratory needs strange materials purchased regularly. These are the kinds of trucks I came to expect.
2)Furthermore, we aren't building the vehicle underground anyway.
Because it would be impossible to bring it to the surface.
Not without having to break it up into pieces and defeat the whole purpose of building the damn thing in the first place.
I'm not saying we are building this underground, I understand the issue. We have property near the docks that specifically looks abandoned.
 
VOTE
[X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
-[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it


[X] Keep the current patch: Green Sun Nimbus Flare is soakable by things that can soak Aggravated Damage. At Essence 4 that is no longer the case

[X] Charm adds damage dice not straight damage until Essence 4



RATIONALE

I think making a car is very much in line with Molly's themes and upbringing.
Her father is a craftsperson who works with his hands for a living, and the ability to actually make technology that has no trouble when used in supernatural arenas appears to be rather rarer than the ability to make jewelry.

Especially since we haven't maxed out our Craft yet.

It also makes subtler suggestions about Molly's resources and expertise, which is the sort of multi-layer messaging that the Fae do appreciate. And its a subtle piece of advertising to the younger Fae, which gives us an in there.
Save the jewel for another time.


I find two options acceptable at the moment; either its a dice adder until E4, or just works as currently noted.
Since we already have Transcendent Anathema, its being a dice adder isn't a large nerf. Especially since the Qiao has us on track for Strength 8.

Being able to stack what will eventually be around 8 damage dice of Agg to a strike at will is still a pretty big deal, even if it can be soaked by some people.

I also like the option for a GSNF upgrade at E4.
It works thematically with the fact that we unlock second stage Shintai at the same time, which would translate to major jump in perceived threat.
 
I'm not really sure why anyone thinks the car gift for Mab will be appreciated. At best, she would accept it as a matter of routine, just another gift that a Faerie Queen is due simply for deigning to meet with us.

The car could be the second coming of KITT, along with pop-up machine guns that fire Outsider slaying bullets, and the most Mab is likely to do is nod and move on with the meeting.
 
Thank you for the citation.
But it doesn't support your argument; it refers to the anima banner, the glowing, Dragon Ball-esque manifestation that an Exalt gets when they get busy. The anima/aura is smaller, and doesn't glow for most people.

The text for expression in Vampire explicitely says that this is what ancient monsters pursue to twist minds with their words.
Yes. Ancient monsters.
There's a reason why ancient monsters divorced from humanity default to Expression over emotions

The issue is also logistics and getting the raw materials. That takes time. And welding titanium is IRL DC9 challenge.
Not an issue in Chicago which is a major trading city and transport hub on both the Mississippi and the Great Lakes.

Welding titanium is a problem for mortals, who require special equipment to do so in an argon atmosphere.
Not for an Exalt with Tool Constructs, Transcendent Lord of Flies to ignore environmental damage and the ability to implement the sort of fabrication techniques that would be cost-prohibitive for a 2006 automobile company.

I would be surprised if we were doing anything quite so mundane as welding.
Might be an issue with language. How do you call trucks / vehicles that transport long (6 meters typically for pipes / beams and 2X3 meters for plates / sheets) materials? I have this in mind. These are how you usually transport metal sheets, rolls of foil, beams and pipes by car. It's not an issue of weight, it's an issue of size.
That thing can move double digit metric tons of raw material, and requires special unloading from the truck bed.
Way outsize for a project of this scale.
Think delivery van instead; the GMC Savanna/Chevrolet Express has a maximum internal payload of around 4000 pounds
Like so

It's harder to obtain ingots in time. In a city like Chicacgo you likely can obtain sheets, pipes, platers of metal in standard sizes in a day. Ingots of raw materials would take much more time, and we'd have to spend additional time processing them.

Plural is because you are likely to source copper from one firm, titanium from another, and aluminum blocks from a third one.

I do this kind of strange purchases for a living. A laboratory needs strange materials purchased regularly. These are the kinds of trucks I came to expect.
The form factor of the raw material doesn't really matter.

Could be sheets, pipes or bags of metal dust, and TTC would process it just fine through an electric arc.
The time is not going to be materially different, and as an Exalt, we have access to fabrication techniques too expensive for era-appropriate car companies anyway, from additive manufacturing to high-pressure casting and friction-stir welding.

And like I said, this is Chicago.
The third largest city in the US.A major rail and road hub as well as transshipping hub for both the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River system.

Picking up a couple hundred kilos each of individual elements is not the sort of contract order that takes days to put together.
Its a call and pickup job, especially if you're paying cash or premium prices.
I suspect this isn't even

There don't appear to be that many supplies firms on this tier that mono focus on one element, and those that do operate in volumes far beyond our needs.

Big laboratories appear to buy in bulk for multiple projects though.
An artisan working on a single project is working on a much smaller scale. Two to three tons of material is what's needed here, and a lot of that's just carbon and aluminum and copper. Add lithium and rare earths for the drivetrain and batteries of an EV.


Like I said, the Rolls Royce Phantom is 2.6 tons.
Assuming steel is 40% of that weight, you're only looking at around a ton of steel by weight.
For comparison? The loadbed of a Ford F-250 light truck like this
Will carry around 2 tons of material in its bed, and tow 5-7 tons behind it.
Its a personal vehicle in the US(the one in the picture is towing a horse trailer), and also often used by some tradespeople.

This is a situation where Molly borrows her father's truck(or, more likely, hires one from a rental company) to go pickup her raw material acquisitions, unloads it herself into the construction garage that she is using, then uses the same truck to tow the finished vehicle on a car trailer for delivery.
 
[X] Keep the current patch: Green Sun Nimbus Flare is soakable by things that can soak Aggravated Damage. At Essence 4 that is no longer the case
 
I'm not really sure why anyone thinks the car gift for Mab will be appreciated. At best, she would accept it as a matter of routine, just another gift that a Faerie Queen is due simply for deigning to meet with us.

The car could be the second coming of KITT, along with pop-up machine guns that fire Outsider slaying bullets, and the most Mab is likely to do is nod and move on with the meeting.
Changes chapter 38:
I opened the front door for Susan, followed her out onto the sidewalk, and nearly got run over by an emerald green stretch limousine, its tail fins, elongated hood, and shining chrome grille marking it as something created in the extravagant years subsequent to the Second World War. The limo screeched to a halt, and the driver, dressed in a no-nonsense black suit, got out and hurried around to the door nearest us. He was medium height, thin, young, and good-looking enough to be acting or modeling—so much so, in fact, that I decided immediately that he wasn't human.
Almost as soon as I had the thought, I suddenly saw the young Sidhe lord as he truly appeared—dressed in an emerald green tunic and tights, each with accents of deep violet. His sunny hair was bound back into a tight braid that fell past his waist, and his feline, cat-slitted amber eyes were piercing. He saw me staring and gave me a mocking little bow that only barely moved his head and chest, then opened the limo's door.
The Leanansidhe leaned over from the far side of the passenger compartment, an exasperated look on her face. "And here thou art at last, child. What madness possessed thee to pay a social call upon the Hunter? He has a grudge against thee. Know you not what that means?"

Susan tensed and took a step back from her. My godmother noticed it and favored her with a toothy smile. "Fear not, half child. I've no reason to restrain thee again—unless, of course, thou wouldst like to see where it leads." She glanced up at the night sky—mostly hidden behind all the light pollution—and said, "Granted, we would be forced to indulge such curiosity another time."
"Godmother," I said, staring. "What . . . a big car you have."
She shook a finger at me. "The better to take you to the House of the Weeping Mother so that we may embark upon our quest, child. Glenmael, help them in, if you please. We race against time."
The young Sidhe gestured gallantly toward the rear of the limo and offered me a supporting arm.
I scowled at him (provoking another smiling bow of his head) and helped Susan into the car. I got in without help of my own, and in short order we found ourselves seated facing the rear of the vehicle and my godmother as the young Sidhe pulled out of the lot and headed for I-55.
As you can see, that's Lea, Mab's right hand woman, third most powerful woman in the Winter Court, in a 40s-50s era stretch limo driven by another Fae. Its not that she couldn't teleport, its that she chose not to.
Need =/= Want.
 
[X] Keep the current patch: Green Sun Nimbus Flare is soakable by things that can soak Aggravated Damage. At Essence 4 that is no longer the case
 
Votes as they stand. Looks like we are keeping a dead charm.

Keep in mind that we will need to spend 32xp to make it usuable in the current circumstances. Also keep in mind that we have had 6 arks and have yet to hit E3. E4 is double what is required for E3. To put it into perspective, it has almost been a year OCC and we have yet to hit E3. E4 would take 2 years real time as it is double of E3.

So do not expect to get some use from that Charm any time soon, as there is a reason why in all the fights Molly has gotten into, it was only used 4 times. That too only once per fight.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on May 10, 2023 at 9:10 AM, finished with 116 posts and 30 votes.

  • [X] Keep the current patch: Green Sun Nimbus Flare is soakable by things that can soak Aggravated Damage. At Essence 4 that is no longer the case
    [X] Spend some time with your family, you have prepared enough already
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
    [X] Replace Green Sun Nimbus Flare with By Agony Empowered, making Molly less vulnerable to being overwhelmed by mundane damage
    [X] Charm adds damage dice not straight damage until Essence 4
    [X] Meet with one of Mab's daughters and try to gain their support
    -[X] Meave the Winter Lady, your Malk neighbors should know where to find her and she would be the least suspicious to engage with
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
    --[X] Use full suit of enchantments to work on the project - work while wet to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery in a locked freezer to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention and Without Honor Without Hope and try and trigger Transcendent Lord of Flies when working on the chassis and environmental controls of the car
    --[X] Use Cyberdevils to help with the design, and Lydia if she is interested in helping on such a project
    --[X] STUNT: As you watch flatbed trucks leaving, their loads of titainium, molybdenum, aluminum, carbon and other materials removed and lying before you, ready to be carried into the depths of your territory, you idly wonder what their drivers think about having to transport and unload the fairly high tech materials into what can, at best, be called a "post industrial wasteland", full of rusted machinery and decrepit building. Once the mortals are safely out of sight, an effort of will brings forth a motorized forklift, with a fork looking more suited to skewer sinners in hell, than industrial palletts, yet still perfectly functional. Whistling innocently, you drive towards the building, where the actual assembly is going to take place, a heavy rusted-looking lock on its door keeping the invigorating chill in.
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a single atom of iron in it
 
Last edited:
[X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
-[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it

[X] Keep the current patch: Green Sun Nimbus Flare is soakable by things that can soak Aggravated Damage. At Essence 4 that is no longer the case

[X] Charm adds damage dice not straight damage until Essence 4
 
OK, looks like we are making a car (adding all the stunt votes together) and keeping Green Sun as is. That family vote being so close will also have an impact.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 10, 2023 at 9:51 AM, finished with 118 posts and 30 votes.

  • [X] Keep the current patch: Green Sun Nimbus Flare is soakable by things that can soak Aggravated Damage. At Essence 4 that is no longer the case
    [X] Spend some time with your family, you have prepared enough already
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
    [X] Replace Green Sun Nimbus Flare with By Agony Empowered, making Molly less vulnerable to being overwhelmed by mundane damage
    [X] Charm adds damage dice not straight damage until Essence 4
    [X] Meet with one of Mab's daughters and try to gain their support
    -[X] Meave the Winter Lady, your Malk neighbors should know where to find her and she would be the least suspicious to engage with
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
    --[X] Use full suit of enchantments to work on the project - work while wet to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery in a locked freezer to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention and Without Honor Without Hope and try and trigger Transcendent Lord of Flies when working on the chassis and environmental controls of the car
    --[X] Use Cyberdevils to help with the design, and Lydia if she is interested in helping on such a project
    --[X] STUNT: As you watch delivery vans leaving, their loads of titainium, molybdenum, aluminum, carbon and other materials removed and lying before you, ready to be carried into the depths of your territory, you idly wonder what their drivers think about having to transport and unload the fairly high tech materials into what can, at best, be called a "post industrial wasteland", full of rusted machinery and decrepit building. Once the mortals are safely out of sight, an effort of will brings forth a motorized forklift, with a fork looking more suited to skewer sinners in hell, than industrial palletts, yet still perfectly functional. Whistling innocently, you drive towards the building, where the actual assembly is going to take place, a heavy rusted-looking lock on its door keeping the invigorating chill in.
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a single atom of iron in it
 
OK, looks like we are making a car (adding all the stunt votes together) and keeping Green Sun as is. That family vote being so close will also have an impact.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 10, 2023 at 9:51 AM, finished with 118 posts and 30 votes.

  • [X] Keep the current patch: Green Sun Nimbus Flare is soakable by things that can soak Aggravated Damage. At Essence 4 that is no longer the case
    [X] Spend some time with your family, you have prepared enough already
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
    [X] Replace Green Sun Nimbus Flare with By Agony Empowered, making Molly less vulnerable to being overwhelmed by mundane damage
    [X] Charm adds damage dice not straight damage until Essence 4
    [X] Meet with one of Mab's daughters and try to gain their support
    -[X] Meave the Winter Lady, your Malk neighbors should know where to find her and she would be the least suspicious to engage with
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a singe atom of iron in it
    --[X] Use full suit of enchantments to work on the project - work while wet to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery in a locked freezer to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention and Without Honor Without Hope and try and trigger Transcendent Lord of Flies when working on the chassis and environmental controls of the car
    --[X] Use Cyberdevils to help with the design, and Lydia if she is interested in helping on such a project
    --[X] STUNT: As you watch delivery vans leaving, their loads of titainium, molybdenum, aluminum, carbon and other materials removed and lying before you, ready to be carried into the depths of your territory, you idly wonder what their drivers think about having to transport and unload the fairly high tech materials into what can, at best, be called a "post industrial wasteland", full of rusted machinery and decrepit building. Once the mortals are safely out of sight, an effort of will brings forth a motorized forklift, with a fork looking more suited to skewer sinners in hell, than industrial palletts, yet still perfectly functional. Whistling innocently, you drive towards the building, where the actual assembly is going to take place, a heavy rusted-looking lock on its door keeping the invigorating chill in.
    [X] Craft a gift for Mab, nothing arcane or which demands great recompense of hers, but a hint that your powers are subtle as well as overt and that you are as valuable as an ally as you would be troublesome as a foe
    -[X] A car with not a single atom of iron in it
On that note, how are you handling Essence level ups?

Is it a spend certain xp to level up or when we hit some IC milestones?

I am asking as you had mentioned that Molly had to take some "Queen" actions to get the King and Kingdom charms as well as how it has only been few months IC for Molly to hit E3.

I am curious as to how you are handling it.
 
On that note, how are you handling Essence level ups?

Is it a spend certain xp to level up or when we hit some IC milestones?

I am asking as you had mentioned that Molly had to take some "Queen" actions to get the King and Kingdom charms as well as how it has only been few months IC for Molly to hit E3.

I am curious as to how you are handling it.

I think it is probably best to just do it narrative. If you guys take more actions that are about rule and politics it and the potential to take Key and the Kingdom will be unlocked in one arc, otherwise two or three.
 
Back
Top