Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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You get one free recipe of the new level
Wait, wasn't it 3 per level? In the last update we bought 3 recipes per level. was this changed?
Also, I remind you of how you wanted to rebalance Green Sun Nimbus Flare.
Goldfish
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[] Alchemy: The Art of transmutation, not merely of matter, but mind and spirit. To all you have learned from Bob, all you have read in Harry's books the insights of an elder age are added, as steel is alloyed from charcoal and iron (Cost 3XP/Dot)
I'm a bit confused by the XP cost here. So would it cost 3 XP to get our 3rd dot, or would is cost 6 XP because we already have 2 dots?
Sorry, I'm still embarrassingly ignorant of the system.
- *checks back* Three it is then of new level or below
- I'll do that next update, you have enough to vote on here.
It would take 6 XP (3 xp * current dot level, which is 2 dots).
The latter, it's 3*your current rating, the idea is XP cost goes up as you buy the higher levels.
Goldfish
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So instead of paying 4 XP for 2 recipes, we could pay 6 to increase our Alchemy to 3 dots, and learn 3 recipes in the process. If we're going to spend XP on Alchemy during this purchase, that seems like the way to go to me. What are our 3 dot Alchemy recipe options?
Goldfish
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Never mind, Alchemy 3 doesn't seem particularly useful for dealing with Mab, at least going by the available 3 dot recipes, and I don't want to just spend XP on recipes themselves when we could increase base abilities that will always be active without Essence expenditure or time investment and prep that might not be possible in many situations.
--[X] Perception 3 (8 XP)
--[X] Empathy 5 (4 XP)
--[X] Subterfuge 4 (3 XP)
--[X] Alchemy 3 (6 XP)
---[X] Recipe #1: TBD
---[X] Recipe #2: TBD
---[X] Recipe #3: TBD
-[X] Lydia (9 XP)
--[X] Hunter's Bolt (6 XP)
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Tech excellency isn't that useful for our biggest thing yet, and empathy is already a strong part of our social suite.
It'd make more sense to me if we got manipulation and subterfuge 4, which comes out to 18 exp. Last 4 go towards whatever, probably something perception related.
The issue with this option is that 3 dot alchemy recipes cost 3 xp per recipe. Our 3 dot recipe options (obviously not including write-ins) are:
Prima metallum and Hunter's edge are must get, and for the third option I probably would go for Dust of True Sight, to be combined with 1 dot mist potion and turned into anti illusion grenades.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
[X] Plan Minions are Magic
-[X] Molly (22 XP)
-[X] Inner Devils Unchained (••••) - 12xp
-[X] Empathy 5 - 4 XP
-[X] Subterfuge 4 - 3 XP
-[X] Mocking Murmurs Retort (•) - 3xp
--[X] Lydia (8 XP)
--[X] Righteous Lion Defense (•) (3 XP)
--[X] Oxen Body (3 XP)
--[X] 2 XP Carry over
So Inner Devils unlocks the minion options and keep in mind that not only can we use it on animals, we can also REVERSE it. Mocking Murmurs because it is a cheap social charm, not useable against Mab but for general social conditions.
It also synergizes with Speaker to Crow and Hound (•) which Lydia already has, meaning we can make dog/crow minions and have Lydia control them.
[X] Uju32
For Lydia, she gets a Anti-Mindcontrol charm and more health. She gets better minions from us so her threat level goes up after this.
-[X] Molly (22 XP)
-[X] Inner Devils Unchained (••••) - 12xp
-[X] Empathy 5 - 4 XP
-[X] Subterfuge 4 - 3 XP
-[X] Mocking Murmurs Retort (•) - 3xp
--[X] Lydia (8 XP)
--[X] Righteous Lion Defense (•) (3 XP)
--[X] Oxen Body (3 XP)
--[X] 2 XP Carry over
So Inner Devils unlocks the minion options and keep in mind that not only can we use it on animals, we can also REVERSE it. Mocking Murmurs because it is a cheap social charm, not useable against Mab but for general social conditions.
It also synergizes with Speaker to Crow and Hound (•) which Lydia already has, meaning we can make dog/crow minions and have Lydia control them.
[X] Uju32
For Lydia, she gets a Anti-Mindcontrol charm and more health. She gets better minions from us so her threat level goes up after this.
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Goldfish
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Ah, I see. I've killed my previous plan that included Alchemy.
[X] Plan Secret Agent Molly
-[X] Molly (20 XP)
--[X] Perception 3 (8 XP)
--[X] Empathy 5 (4 XP)
--[X] Subterfuge 4 (3 XP)
--[X] Awareness 2 (5 XP)
-[X] Lydia (9 XP)
--[X] Hunter's Bolt (6 XP)
--[X] Oxen Body (3 XP)
-[X] 1 XP Banked
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On pure maths it's more efficient to go with my plan, I think. More dice for our xp. And we can give potions out, or trade recipes for favors.
What is the immediate need Inner Devils? I planned to buy it for Christmas, as we have talked with Olivia about.
Lion Defense for Lydia is an interesting options, thanks, I'll have to think of it.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Honestly? I want to start expanding on Queen Molly. To be honest, between the attack and the heat/attention on to us, getting some animal minions would be very useful to buff our faction till we get more dedicated minion training charms.
So some super animals and birds with regeneration, etc will come in handy right now.
On the chapter itself, this is a hell of a play by Mab back in the day. It also makes her conversation with Molly in canon about her lover getting zapped kind of funny, since she didn't say anything like "find a half incubus wizard and make sure he puts a condom on his soul" instead of telling her to suck it up.
I'm game to use a crown question to learn she's a nemesis agent, then sell saving her under the pretext that we only looked into it because she's the Lady and not because we know Mab loves her, but circlemate isn't a good idea.
Even without Outsider influence Maeve is a complete psycho. I give us twenty minutes tops before we're at each other's throats because she was boiling puppies for fun or something.
I guess we could try rehabilitating her in an effort to redeem Winter going forwards, but that's a hell of a task and we should be aware of how hard and screwed up trying could get.
Fair point, I keep forgetting that we can abuse magic drugs like this.
[X] Yog
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
[X] Plan Minions are Magic
Handy? Maybe, but not 12 exp handy for any of our known major upcoming problems. Fomori aren't going to help with Mab, the Naagoloshi, or with many things we can't just use the Jade Dogs to cover.
One thing you guys might want to keep in mind about better socials through alchemy is that it works with rare reagents. Now you have the resources to buy them, but that does not mean the humming bird hearts or the like are going to show up in a matter of days and it is only four days to Halloween.
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Thank you for that information.
[X] Plan Social Awareness
-[X] Molly (22 XP)
--[X] Empathy 5 (4 XP)
--[X] Subterfuge 5 (3+4 = 7 XP)
--[X] Awareness 2 (5 XP)
--[X] Seeing is Blindness (6 XP)
-[X] Lydia (9 XP)
--[X] Hunter's Bolt (6 XP)
--[X] Oxen Body (3 XP)
[X] Plan Secret Agent Molly
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Oh, very true. I do wonder, tough, would MiS remove increased libido part of her mantles effect?
And yes, I am game for removing Nemesis from Maeve; circlemate status can be discussed later (as a winter lady she should be around necessary power level to be another heavy hitter).
Thanks, that's a good point. Is it going to be rolled, or is it certain right now that we aren't getting reagents in time?
Sadly, there seems to be a big issue with my plan. I'll think of how to edit it. Probably still keep ability upgrades, though. I am tempted to up Intimidation to 5, just to finish socials off. If not, raise awareness, maybe drop Hunter's shot from Lydia, switch her to Lion Defense and probably occult 2, and get awareness to 2. I don't like that option, because it leaves Lydia undergunned.
It is going to be rolled. After all there might be something local that works, it is just not as certain as the magic of money and international shipping.
Fair point, and minions are fun, but it's important to remember that we can't raise intelligence and it's not guaranteed that Inner Devils would. In which case, this is the likely outcome, with Lydia taking the role of the Empress of cats (literally, given that cats are associated with death in Japan at least).
OK, thanks. I'll have to think a bit, but maybe I'll stay with the current plan.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I will point out just how useful the Cyber Devils have been to show how useful minions are. They may not be an exalted but they are not ment to be circle members, because only circle members are going to help with that kind of threats and those do not grow on trees.
Also to unlock King and Kingdom, Molly has to take some "Queen" actions as Dragonparadox did say the reason why we did not unlock it, despite hitting the xp requirement, is because Molly has not moved towards that. So making and commanding Minions would be a good step towards that and a good power to offer to people if we want to.
For example, Fomori have regeneration powers. So we keep trying on an injured person, eventually give them regen, let them heal, and take back the power.
That effectively heals them of injuries. So creative use of that power unlocks many, many things.
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