Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Unbalancing chi is good if you want to choose what kind of disciplines they throw at you, but it is not as good as threatening you will blow up.
Is that how that works? I don't have the books, but sources like this seem to imply that it's something you can do if they're already unbalanced that to some degree inhibits their ability to use their powers.

In any case I'd agree that the bomb is a better overall control mechanism, but that both would be better.
 
Is that how that works? I don't have the books, but sources like this seem to imply that it's something you can do if they're already unbalanced that to some degree inhibits their ability to use their powers.

In any case I'd agree that the bomb is a better overall control mechanism, but that both would be better.

I'll have to look it up more in the morning, but the Greater Akuma you fought for instance was very Yin unbalanced... so he just used Yin and Demon Chi in combat.
 
There are no commercial battery-powered trains that Im aware of in 2006; there's some maintenance rolling stock that operates on electrified rail, but its designed for limited endurance with the battery as a backup. Our needs requires building a custom train, not one we buy off the open market, even before you start to thinking of the ancillary requirements like the armoring and weapons.

I have zero interest in putting nuclear power systems in an urban combat situation, btw. Just to be clear.
We would need to customize it anyway. Also, apparently, the technology existed even way back in 19th century, and in USA there's an Edison-designed version. So, yeah, definitely no need to go crazy here.
2)No, well within the stated requirements.
This is not a flat plain with clear sightlines, these are the tunnels of Undertown. They arent uniformly sized or reinforced, they arent straight or safe, and Porter doesnt spend all his time in Last Station.

Literally our first meeting with Porter was him moving us beyond Last Station in pursuit of Corpsetaker-in-Lydia, getting in a fight with a ghost swarm commanded by Corpsetaker and subsequently moving us to an exit. And the latest abduction of Jade Dogs left him unable to pursue, or even just to load up people during the attack and beat a tactical retreat.

If we do this, we're building this for his benefit and that of the Jade Dogs when Molly isnt present.
So we take those usecases into account.
Next time it might be someone*cough*Fomor*cough* with poison gas, which will do nothing to Porter, but will murder every squishy in the place.
Train is a bad idea for this anyway. Installing turrets would probable be better. Or we could go with a subterrene (check out a russian version of the wiki page with a translator, it's far larger, and covers more versions).
 
I was thinking about the panic room idea and I don't think that it is going to work. Panic rooms have an implicit problem with any large population. Mainly that you need everyone to be able to get in quickly in a emergency, but you also need to keep the bad guys out. Which if you have a large population to protect leads to problems of either the slowpokes getting locked out or the bad guys getting in before the doors are locked.

We can mitigate the problem by having multiple different panic rooms in different areas, but that greatly increases the commitment.
 
I was thinking about the panic room idea and I don't think that it is going to work. Panic rooms have an implicit problem with any large population. Mainly that you need everyone to be able to get in quickly in a emergency, but you also need to keep the bad guys out. Which if you have a large population to protect leads to problems of either the slowpokes getting locked out or the bad guys getting in before the doors are locked.

We can mitigate the problem by having multiple different panic rooms in different areas, but that greatly increases the commitment.
Or adding an airlock full of machine guns and explosives operated by cyber devils.

Put a U-bend in the entry corridor so they can't shoot in, then if anyone tries to come inside while the door is still open they get shredded.

Anything strong enough to shrug off getting hosed down with say a few machine guns, a thermite based flamethrower, and some command detonated AP mines is probably capable of tearing the whole thing down itself anyway.
 
Or adding an airlock full of machine guns and explosives operated by cyber devils.

Put a U-bend in the entry corridor so they can't shoot in, then if anyone tries to come inside while the door is still open they get shredded.

Anything strong enough to shrug off getting hosed down with say a few machine guns, a thermite based flamethrower, and some command detonated AP mines is probably capable of tearing the whole thing down itself anyway.
That is going to be a problem with us being welcoming. Then again the demographic that we are attracting are likely to be reassured by deadly defenses at the entrance.
 
That is going to be a problem with us being welcoming. Then again the demographic that we are attracting are likely to be reassured by deadly defenses at the entrance.
We're talking about a panic room, people shouldn't be popping in there at random outside of basic maintenance and emergencies.

It also wouldn't be that much more mechanically complicated to conceal the defenses in alcoves covered by panels mounted on explosive bolts if it actually becomes a concern.
 
We're talking about a panic room, people shouldn't be popping in there at random outside of basic maintenance and emergencies.

It also wouldn't be that much more mechanically complicated to conceal the defenses in alcoves covered by panels mounted on explosive bolts if it actually becomes a concern.
I thought that you were talking about overall defenses.
 
Speaking of, don't jades/Akuma have that thing where if their chi gets unbalanced stabbing them in the heart with a stake of wood/metal depending on the way it's tilted cripples their powers but doesn't paralyze or kill them?

Staking them makes them die the little death, which kicks their souls out of their bodies and sends them to the spirit realms.

The LoC probably don't want that to happen, as they can act there.

This is more in Michael and Forthill's line, with the help of Amoracchius. At least until Molly learns Ancient Sorcery.
If we're lucky, maybe watching an exorcism will give us a discount on Sapphire Circle Banishment.
Yeah, we should have ATB running.

It's worth remembering that fomor/bakemono aren't simply possessed (most of the time( there's a very expensive merit that represents that the human and bane remain distinct enough to be separated), their soul has been merged with a bane/devil. They can be Exorcised by magic, but it's very invasive spiritual surgery that basically always does a huge amount of aggravated damage as a consequence.

It may be worth a Crown question to ask about the metaphysics of bakemono, so we can help with preparations for any exorcism. Might discount fomor creation charms as well.
 
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Not a lot of votes.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Apr 14, 2023 at 6:07 AM, finished with 42 posts and 7 votes.

  • [X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
    -[X]Activate All Things Betray, as long as we dont think it contravenes our deal with Uriel: 1m
    [X]If you see any cell phones among the agents try and slip in a HMP.
    [X] Yes
    -[X] How often do they actually need to transport Vampire prisoners? It doesn't seem like circumstances would lend themselves to making many live captures.
    [X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
    -[X] Use Intimidation Excellency, explain to the bane that if he doesn't injure the girl on leaving you might not tear his essence to shreds afterwards.
 
[X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
-[X]Activate All Things Betray, as long as we dont think it contravenes our deal with Uriel: 1m
 
[X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
-[X]Activate All Things Betray, as long as we dont think it contravenes our deal with Uriel: 1m
 
[X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
-[X]Activate All Things Betray, as long as we dont think it contravenes our deal with Uriel: 1m


Should we help Father Forthil? I mean, a prayer of a celestial exalted is going to be better heard than a prayer of a mortal human.
 
Vote closed, back to Saint Mary's it is
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Apr 14, 2023 at 7:48 AM, finished with 46 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
    -[X]Activate All Things Betray, as long as we dont think it contravenes our deal with Uriel: 1m
    [X]If you see any cell phones among the agents try and slip in a HMP.
    [X] Yes
    -[X] How often do they actually need to transport Vampire prisoners? It doesn't seem like circumstances would lend themselves to making many live captures.
    [X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
    -[X] Use Intimidation Excellency, explain to the bane that if he doesn't injure the girl on leaving you might not tear his essence to shreds afterwards.
 
Staking them makes them die the little death, which kicks their souls out of their bodies and sends them to the spirit realms.

The LoC probably don't want that to happen, as they can act there.
Really? That's disappointing.

Online sources are usually trash for this sort of thing, but they made it sound more like a thing they lived through but screwed with their ability to use chi.

Useful enough I guess if we need to disable some guys later, but not helpful right now.
[X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
-[X]Activate All Things Betray, as long as we dont think it contravenes our deal with Uriel: 1m


Should we help Father Forthil? I mean, a prayer of a celestial exalted is going to be better heard than a prayer of a mortal human.
Probably not.

It seems more like a matter of position than power in a lot of ways. If Forthill was using secular wizardry that'd be one thing, but in this case it's probably more like a government agent appearing before a judge to get an arrest warrant, then sending swat after the named person.

Being an exalt isn't necessarily helpful there unless we were also a priest, and it wouldn't be worth breaking our cooperative separation to become one.
 
Arc 6 Post 39: Through Tarnished Eyes
Through Tarnished Eyes

5nd of October 2006 A.D.

Though the agents and their superiors do not know it you already have nine answers you can draw out when you please, nine faces to set before the eyes that shine upon your crown. So you keep your peace until the last of the vans drives off, an unremarkable convoy bearing a remarkable cargo. "You didn't ask for their number," you say to Harry, carefully not to sound like you are scolding him for it.

"I don't need their number," he counters so quickly you wonder if he's had the argument before. It would not the the first time you agreed with Lasciel, strange as that might be to think.

"You don't want their number," you can't quite keep yourself from correcting him. "It would probably be useful if you ever get arrested by some overzealous cop on a crusade against wizards or something, no offense lieutenant."

In spite of the last bit Karin Murphy cracks a smile at seeing Harry get grilled about this stuff, though that might just be relief at having handed off the last of her strange prisoners.

"I've already got enough people on speed dial kid and I don't even have speed dial," he shakes his head. "There isn't such a thing as a free lunch especially when it comes to the kinds of people who have accountants to keep score."

Surprisingly dad is nodding along, or maybe not so surprisingly if one remembers what he has said about the government meddling in magic. The Library of Congress may not be exactly that, but it's not exactly not that either, a grey middle ground between institution of the United States and secret society infiltrating the United States, but that's neither here nor there.

"You work with what you've got." Like the black steel sword popped up in the back corner of the armory at the Last Station slowly making the pain peel, like the body of the greater akuma laid you had extracted from his temporary tomb last night not laid down on one of those steel tables they use in the morgue, still pristine in its morbidity. It's a good thing no one in the room has senses as sharp as yours had grown else they might have heard the sound of doubts being swallowed. "And do your best to make things better, can't do that from inside a jail cell."

Harry looks... well you don't want to say mulish. Resolute, that's it, he looks resolute in not making use of the good will he had already earned.

"Alright then, guess I'll have to hand on to their contacts extra hard," you say with carefully calculated good cheer. Hoping that...

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 11/12 (Empathy Excellency)

Yup, turns out you were right, the only thing Harry Dresden hates more than the prospect of entangling himself in another bureaucracy is the conviction that you will do it for him if you feel he needs the help. Grumbling something about you having enough on your place with Monoc he takes the card you offer him and writes down the number.

It probably does not help his mood when Mouse gives an approving bark, but it sure helps yours to know Harry now has one more tool to get out of the trouble he is so good at getting himself into. Just a pity it couldn't last.

***​

The stained glass windows filled with the wisdom of Christ, recounting parables and extolling virtues and good words seem muted as though a cloud had passed behind them though the sky is clear. the silence swallows up the sound of the doors being pushed open and even dad's greeting seems only to make the air grow tense and watchful rather than break the sense of being watched, of being judged and found... wanting.

Reflexively you invoke that inner flame that had served you so well since you found your power and it found you, the utter conviction of who you are... and who you are is not apprehensive in the House of the Lord just because a petty demon happened to be transgressing against it and against the poor kid whose life it had stolen.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 10/12 (IPP)

It's hard to miss the small figure tied to a chair in front of the altar of sacrifice right under the central dome. In a way the chair and the one upon it seem almost as incongruous as the as the plain red oak wood, but where as it celebrates the contrast between the wonder of what is known of God's work and what must remain a mystery, celebrated each mass the chair and its bindings is something that does not belong, that cannot belong... and yet which is even in the House of God, evil.

Raising her head the girl fixes you with eyes black as a lightless pit in her pale face. "Come to help scourge the wickedness out of us? To deliver us through pain?" The demon's voice is not the least transformed, she sounds for all the world like a nine year old kid, though the cold mockery behind it is much older than that. "For you it is to know the weeds from the good seeds or maybe you'd like more meat on that parable, the good flesh from the gristle. Rip and tear away. We can't stop you. We never could."


Father Forthil stands beside the statue of Saint Joseph at the left of the altar looking as wan as you have seen him. No doubt he had done exorcisms before, but the empty darkness of the Night Realm is not something he's had to face before. To you it is as familiar as the face you see in the mirror. The demon knows it cannot cling on so it is trying to do as much damage as it can reinforcing the notion that what is to follow is torture inflicted upon a child who has already seen far too many monsters in her short life pretending they want to help her and if it can spread more suffering to those 'stealing' its vessel so much the better will its spite be satisfied. It occurs to you that the life-bond Brother Divisimar had described which would have seen baby Almaz die if the girl herself had been killed might also be another way to prove a twisted point. 'They don't really care about the hostages, just about killing their enemies.'

True the old monk had been wise and experienced enough to avoid that tragedy, but for the child who had let a demon crawl in her soul just so she might have someone on her side it was far too little far too late. No matter how well this goes the scars on her soul will take a lifetime to heal. Unless that is you can persuade it to leave, unhook its claws and open its jaws, leave the girl with as little harm done as it can, the only problem being if you try and fail you will have just reinforced the message that monsters hide behind every king face and malice lurks in every seeming kindness.

As Usum rather bluntly puts it you can's scare just one snake in a tangle

What do you do?

[] Try to intimidate the demon of Kakuri Wan out of the girl
The task would be utterly impossible for an ordinary mortal (Base DC 12 -1 BSM -2 DPE -2 Demonic Guide = 7)

[] Observe the exorcism
From what you know of Father Forthil and given the presence of the Sword it seems very likely to succeed, but it will be quite harrowing

[] Write in

OOC: Just to be clear the thing Molly can attempt above is not magic, it is being so utterly terrifying that the demon voluntarily leaves its host causing the least damage possible. It is not a thing even a Senior Council wizard would get to roll, you either have to be a saint or a bigger meaner demon to do this. The latter is in your case represented by DPE in terms of presence and the Guide in terms of knowing just witch buttons to push. As for Michael, since I know it will be asked, while he is a good and righteous man is not a saint, he is the bearer of the Sword which has its own purpose to which is what is happening here is only tangentially related related, hence why he can't say cut the demon right out of her with angelic might. This is Forthil's job... if it gets that far.
 
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[X] Try to intimidate the demon of Kakuri Wan out of the girl
The task would be utterly impossible for an ordinary mortal (Base DC 12 -1 BSM -2 DPE -2 Demonic Guide = 7)

Maybe also include a stunt alluding to the possibility that we'll just eat the Demon?
 
[X] Try to intimidate the demon of Kakuri Wan out of the girl
The task would be utterly impossible for an ordinary mortal (Base DC 12 -1 BSM -2 DPE -2 Demonic Guide = 7)

Maybe also include a stunt alluding to the possibility that we'll just eat the Demon?
[X] Try to intimidate the demon of Kakuri Wan out of the girl

Let's drive out demons with our name. But we really do need to think of a good stunt.
 
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