Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I guess you can order mannequins online with no trouble and on relativly short notice.

It won't scare the vampires, but if her car ever gets stopped by the police and she has two full-sized mannequins in the trunk that may or may not be moving when nobody looks, then there are gonna be some stories to tell.
Essentially yeah.

If she woke up on 1st October with the power Command The Dead, after having had an akuma show up at the ghost ball the day before, rush ordering a bunch of wooden sculptures off the Internet, or just buying them from a local sculptor would could well have them delivered in 24 hours.

Money is a superpower.
Especially if you are Resources 4.
 
Its not unknown.

The short story Heorot was Gard calling Harry as backup on essentially zero notice to save a virgin kidnapped by a grendelkin for sexual assault, procreation and eating, in that order. It hasnt happened yet; Timeline says it would canonically happen in 2 years, a month before the events of Small Favor.

I think its foolhardy to attempt to beat the daddy akuma back to its lair; dragon lines around here mean it almost certainly gets there before us. And I want to make sure that we arent in a situation where Eiko can approach us from behind.
Fair enough I suppose. I'm not enthused about the possibility of getting sucker punched by a trap we thought we defeated though .
-[X]<Lydia> Call to check on Cauldron and advise they stay behind thresholds today if they can manage it
Might be worth telling them to gather at Helen's. It is their second best safe house after all.

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Fair enough I suppose. I'm not enthused about the possibility of getting sucker punched by a trap we thought we defeated though .
Not sure what you mean here.
Might be worth telling them to gather at Helen's. It is their second best safe house after all
Probably not worth it without an escort to and fro, and we wont be free to do that job.
Out in the open is where they are vulnerable.
 
Essentially yeah.

If she woke up on 1st October with the power Command The Dead, after having had an akuma show up at the ghost ball the day before, rush ordering a bunch of wooden sculptures off the Internet, or just buying them from a local sculptor would could well have them delivered in 24 hours.

Money is a superpower.
Especially if you are Resources 4.
Later, after this crisis is averted, she should commission some nice wooden combat puppets from Michael. They could be crafted to fold up into innocuous wooden blocks complete with handles and luggage-style casters for easy transport.
 
Not sure what you mean here.
I mean that Harry got his change slipped into their trap unopposed because the will of Kakuri wasn't around when he tried. That doesn't mean he won't look at it again until we show up, and Dresden isn't exactly subtle most of the time.

He can be tricky, but I'm skeptical of the idea that shift like that will avoid detection for too long.

Getting caught in the trap because we thought we turned it around on them would suck.
Probably not worth it without an escort to and fro, and we wont be free to do that job.
Out in the open is where they are vulnerable.
Maybe, but if they were going to play more hostage games then I'd have expected them to make the play all at once.
 
I guess you can order mannequins online with no trouble and on relativly short notice.

It won't scare the vampires, but if her car ever gets stopped by the police and she has two full-sized mannequins in the trunk that may or may not be moving when nobody looks, then there are gonna be some stories to tell.
Well if they are made of wood the Yin vampires might find them more scary then people with guns. No minds to control and their touch disrupts Yin chi.
 
I mean that Harry got his change slipped into their trap unopposed because the will of Kakuri wasn't around when he tried. That doesn't mean he won't look at it again until we show up, and Dresden isn't exactly subtle most of the time.

He can be tricky, but I'm skeptical of the idea that shift like that will avoid detection for too long.
Getting caught in the trap because we thought we turned it around on them would suck.
Maybe, but if they were going to play more hostage games then I'd have expected them to make the play all at once.
Ah.
My understanding is that it takes time to work a ritual of this scale, and much less to fuck it up. Else we would have finished it, and DaddyKuma would have it rebuilt before we drove across town to get to South Works.

Im not sure how long, but presumably its a nontrivial investment, at least at his level.
 
Ah.
My understanding is that it takes time to work a ritual of this scale, and much less to fuck it up. Else we would have finished it, and DaddyKuma would have it rebuilt before we drove across town to get to South Works.

Im not sure how long, but presumably its a nontrivial investment, at least at his level.
It took Dresden a few hours to screw with, and he isn't a specialist. They had someone skilled enough to set this up in the first place, so I wouldn't bet on them missing it or necessarily requiring more time to deal with it than Harry needed to twist it.
 
On top of what DP said, there's also buy in issue.

A mortal with max stamina, max dex, max strength, max sword has spent a significant amount of their resources on getting good. They're closer to a comic book super solider than anything else.

All the blood, sweat, tears, and probably copious steroid abuse buys them something like 10 combat dice. A respectable amount to be sure, but it's basically a foot in the door.
Or you know Molly's training charm to turn them into combat monsters in a few weeks. And every person you have to defend against is horrendous that is a +1DC to all your rolls both offense and defenses per enemy.
 
Or you know Molly's training charm to turn them into combat monsters in a few weeks. And every person you have to defend against is horrendous that is a +1DC to all your rolls both offense and defenses per enemy.
I think it's actually +1DC and -1 dice. There is a reason we think some wooden dolls might be useful. Even if all they can do is clumsy attempts to try and grapple just forcing dodging is a big deal.

And Yin vampires really do want to avoid being grappled by wooden dolls it disrupts the Chi flow.
 
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Maybe, but if they were going to play more hostage games then I'd have expected them to make the play all at once.
Maybe.
But no need to risk finding out someone on the other side getting the bright idea of doing an Ariana and paying off a couple contractors to grab people in transit.
It took Dresden a few hours to screw with, and he isn't a specialist. They had someone skilled enough to set this up in the first place, so I wouldn't bet on them missing it or necessarily requiring more time to deal with it than Harry needed to twist it.
1)Dresden actually is a specialist here.
Canonically, while he's known for evocation, he tended to brute force it with power in his earlier years. What he's actually always been good at is thaumaturgy. Indirect and ritual magic. Energy flows. From White Night
White Night chapter 2 said:
It's delicate," I said. "When it comes to magic, I'm not much for delicate."
He frowned and we started rolling the gurney. "But your only half-trained apprentice is?"
"The wizarding business isn't standardized," I said. "Any given wizard will have an affinity for different kinds of magic, due to their natural talents, personalities, experiences. Each has different strengths."
"What are yours?" he asked.
"Finding things. Following things. Blowing things up, mostly," I said. "I'm good at those. Redirecting energy, sending energy out into the world to resonate with the energy of what I'm trying to find. Moving energy around or redirecting it or storing it up to use later."

"Aha," he said. "None of which is delicate?"
"I've practiced enough to handle a lot of different kinds of delicate magic," I said. "But… it's the difference between me strumming power chords on a guitar and me playing a complex classical Spanish piece."
Butters absorbed that and nodded. "And the kid plays Spanish guitar?"
"Close enough. She's not as strong as me, but she's got a gift for the more subtle magic. Especially mental and emotional stuff. It's what got her in so much trouble with…"
Hence why he's able to do stuff like whipping up a tracking spell in a couple minutes with a hair, or to bind the loup garou in combat time.

2)If they could fix it fast, then it wouldnt have been worth Dresden's time to work on it here.
 
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Permadeath for everything, then public (for the hidden world anyway) display of their remains, along with systematic dismantlement of any mundane legacy they had. Enough fucking around, there is is a lesson to be taught and class is in session.
 
Even if the Akuma can't fix what Dresden did, he can definitly just not trigger the trap if he notices something is wrong.

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Even if the Akuma can't fix what Dresden did, he can definitly just not trigger the trap if he notices something is wrong.

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Inverting the trap on him and poisonong him would be a welcome bonus, but still just a bonus.

Even if he notices Harry's tinkering and doesnt trigger it?
Id be perfectly happy just with him having planned for a fight with the benefit of that buff, and suddenly not having it available. Same with planning for Eiko as reinforcements and not having her available either.

He may be good, but not so good that a quick one-two whammy of reversals is not going to destabilize him pretty badly.
Especially if he's trying to avoid drawing the attention of Demonreach out on Lake Michigan. Just getting rid of the ritual, then taking Eiko off the board as reinforcement, with or without any akuma she commands, would be enough to allow Molly to get stuck in.

Still, when we learn Hellfire, first ritual Im voting for is going to be some form of persistent Sunlight effect like what Ebenezer used when we met him. Damn thing is entirely too useful in this setting.
Might be worth figuring out if Dresden's sunlight handkerchief trick from Storm Front was Alchemy.
 
Inverting the trap on him and poisonong him would be a welcome bonus, but still just a bonus.

Even if he notices Harry's tinkering and doesnt trigger it?
Id be perfectly happy just with him having planned for a fight with the benefit of that buff, and suddenly not having it available. Same with planning for Eiko as reinforcements and not having her available either.

He may be good, but not so good that a quick one-two whammy of reversals is not going to destabilize him pretty badly.
Especially if he's trying to avoid drawing the attention of Demonreach out on Lake Michigan. Just getting rid of the ritual, then taking Eiko off the board as reinforcement, with or without any akuma she commands, would be enough to allow Molly to get stuck in.

Still, when we learn Hellfire, first ritual Im voting for is going to be some form of persistent Sunlight effect like what Ebenezer used when we met him. Damn thing is entirely too useful in this setting.
Might be worth figuring out if Dresden's sunlight handkerchief trick from Storm Front was Alchemy.
the scary thing about demonreach is good chance the akuma would be on the minimum security level.
 
Also, if we decide after we murderblender all of the agents of Kakuri in Chicago that that isn't enough reparations for the trouble Kakuri caused us, I had an idea for another way we can hurt Kakuri later.

We can perma-kill immortals now that we have our spirit-killer with MiM, including summoned immortals, like demons. I'm sure all of our knowledge of Kakuri will let us know about any demons important enough that Emma-O will actually feel their loss, but not so strong in combat that we can't reliably kill them in a prepared summoning environment with allies at hand (a high bar, higher after we spend XP), and between us, Bob, and Harry's White Council contacts, we can probably dig up enough details to summon one or more demons that fit those criteria. We don't even need to do the summoning ourself if we can convince someone else to do it, so it doesn't have to wait until we get summoning dots.

Granted, this would be provoking Kakuri if we do that, but I'm sure at least some of the voterbase won't care, especially depending on how the finale ends up going, and if Emma-O is going to be sending agents after us, anyway, we might as well send him the message that he will lose not only any resources he sends on each attempt, but with interest as well each time, it's as good of a deterrent as any. He can only spend so many resources on fruitless attempts to steal our Exaltation before the other Yama Kings start taking advantage of the exposed weakness, after all.

Of course, this is just an idea. We'll see if it's actually feasible depending on where it looks like our relations with Kakuri stand when the fallout's settled.
 
The proposed plan is wishful thinking that lends us in so much trouble later it's not even funny. We don't, in fact, know that Eiko is the traitor. At all. For all we know, Will of Kakuri is. We don't know what she'll want for betraying Emma-O. Gard, as any smart person, will ask for favors. We don't want to owe her, or Odin.

[X] Head right to the steel mill, maybe you can beat them there
 
the scary thing about demonreach is good chance the akuma would be on the minimum security level.
Less minimum security and more "why is this fellow here?" :V

I mean, naagloshii are minimum security inmates, and naagloshii are Incarna. As in, potentially strong enough that, though Yama Kings have lots of minions, if a Yama King was ambushed by one outside of its Hell, I'd probably bet on the skinwalker.
A greater akuma isnt really in the same metaphysical weight class.

If it got into a cagematch with the one that has periodically been wandering Chicago, it will get some hits in, but the naagloshii will gobble it down like groceries.
Of course, this is just an idea. We'll see if it's actually feasible depending on where it looks like our relations with Kakuri stand when the fallout's settled.
Alternatively, Ancient Sorcery has two spells that might be of use.
Emerald Circle Binding allows us to bind Essence*spirits to our will, so we might be able to summon some of his mightiest servitors and then just deprive him of their services for a year at a time.

And Sapphire Circle Banishment might help us break his actual control over some of his akuma and demons. Might.
In which case you summon them, use SCB to break his control and send them back.
Which means he both loses their services and now has to expend forces and resources chasing them around.
 
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I mean, naagloshii are minimum security inmates, and naagloshii are Incarna. As in, potentially strong enough that, though Yama Kings have lots of minions, if a Yama King was ambushed by one outside of its Hell, I'd probably bet on the skinwalker.
A greater akuma isnt really in the same metaphysical weight class.
Molly, with Occult 5, demon advisor and a lot of background, thinks she can take a naagloshii if she can prevent it from fleeing or veiling in a one-on-one fight.

We are pulling all stops, and you are proposing getting into a crippling debt to deal with a greater akuma and some mooks. Choose: either Naagloshii gets curbstomped by a very bored Yama King, or we should just go and murderize the greater akuma. There's no in-between.
 
Molly, with Occult 5, demon advisor and a lot of background, thinks she can take a naagloshii if she can prevent it from fleeing or veiling in a one-on-one fight.

We are pulling all stops, and you are proposing getting into a crippling debt to deal with a greater akuma and some mooks. Choose: either Naagloshii gets curbstomped by a very bored Yama King, or we should just go and murderize the greater akuma. There's no in-between.
Molly has civilians to worry about. HER minions.
Fighting a naagloshii 1v1 with no environmental buffs to worry about? Is a very different situation from when you have close to twenty hostages who you have to keep alive while trying to batter through DaddyKuma's meatshields.

Our previous concerns were simply keeping our war party alive, hence we were mainly looking at domestic resources only and didnt seek aid. That is no longer the case.
This is now a hostage rescue operation. Our minions getting killed, or suffering further permanent casualties is a failure state.

Hence you pull out all the stops.

We would do much the same thing if it was Cauldron that somehow got snatched.
Or our entire family. Or Dresden or Lydia or Rosie.
Lives and our reputation, our credibility, are at stake.

Besides, calling it a crippling debt is frankly premature, given as we literally have no idea what it would cost us.
Whether in absolute terms, or relative to our resources.
 
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Molly has civilians to worry about. HER minions.
Fighting a naagloshii 1v1 with no environmental buffs to worry about? Is a very different situation from when you have close to twenty hostages who you have to keep alive while trying to batter through DaddyKuma's meatshields.
My point was, and you damn well know it, that you are either severely underestimating kakuri faction, or overhyping naagloshii to high heavens.

Besides, calling it a crippling debt is frankly premature, given as we literally have no idea what it would cost us.
Whether in absolute terms, or relative to our resources.
It will be. You are proposing negotiating from a position of desperation and absolute weakness with both Eiko and Gard. And if Gard might, by word of Jim, be considered benevolent, if not nice, Eiko isn't. She's evil, whether it's for her own sake or for Emma-O's. We don't have tools to ensure her loyalty, and that's assuming she is a traitor. Because that's far from a given.

In fact, dealing with us right now would be very, very stupid of her. Deal with Greater Akuma first, then talk to her. If she's a traitor, shestay out of the confrontation. If she's not, she backstab us. There's no benefit in going to her now, and plenty of downsides.
 
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