DF fusion honestly plays in favor of Molly re-creating orichalcum or other sort of very high value magical materials, tbh. As does DP's willingness to discuss E6+.
I just don't think it'll be easy. These things are supposed to have certain grandeur to them, you don't just magically unlock them after getting Alchemy 6 and rolling 20 sux in your garage.
The Infernal refuses, with utter and immovable implacability, to permit any force in the cosmos to gainsay her will.
System: Any attempt to cause or force the Infernal to betray, undermine, or abandon her Intimacies automatically fails. Furthermore, she may reflexively spend 1 Essence or 1 Willpower to become immune to all thought and emotion-altering magic for the rest of the scene.
Does not matter how a Fallen Angel or anyone else tries to persuade Molly to abandon her intimacies, it ain't working, could be social combat, could be cooking her a nice casserole, could be direct application of their titanic will, it will not work.
What a Fallen Angel could do is persuade her to do something not related to her intimacies in social combat, but that is where the means Harry has used to great effect to resist the likes of Mab and Leia. Does not matter how persuasive you are if the other person isn't listening by paying a willpower.
DF fusion honestly plays in favor of Molly re-creating orichalcum or other sort of very high value magical materials, tbh. As does DP's willingness to discuss E6+.
I just don't think it'll be easy. These things are supposed to have certain grandeur to them, you don't just magically unlock them after getting Alchemy 6 and rolling 20 sux in your garage.
Oh, absolutely. I fully expect we'll need to go to "concentrate light of the sun using magical mirrors into a caldera of an active volcano sitting on top of a leyline nexus to melt down highly mystical historically valuable golden artifactts in order to refine orichalcium" level of shenanigans. We certainly would need wonder forging charm, alchemy 5/6, and probably ancient lore on top of that.
This is just my thoughts but making orichalcum in the modern age would involve something like. Take control of all the leylines and dragon nests in a geographic area around an active volcano. Refit them all to focus to the center. Find blessed gold and then using high rituals in the volcano under the sun infuse the output of the lines into it as it is smelted over the course of a month and then you would have a couple of pounds of orichalcum. If you wanted more you would have to do it all again.
In regards to magical materials, we could use periodic table of elements as a crown focus to learn what kind of magical materials actually exist, starting from the one closest to our power arcanely, then use something else (probably some alchemical tome) to find books on how to make said materials.
In regards to magical materials, we could use periodic table of elements as a crown focus to learn what kind of magical materials actually exist, starting from the one closest to our power arcanely, then use something else (probably some alchemical tome) to find books on how to make said materials.
Since nobody else has addressed it, I will. There is explicitly no method of resurrection in Exalted, and, from what I gather, the same is true of WoD. And the Dresdenverse is alleged to have certain persons resurrected, but, well, literal divine intervention, and not the lowercase-d divine. It's explict that no mortal magic in Dresden can raise the dead, and Exalted are still mortal (technically).
Also, after the shenanigans of ASWaH, DP banned ressurection spells for AoIaB, so, that.
@DragonParadox , can we get Lydia's character sheet linked in the Informational tab?
I think it is more a case that he did his thing after his daughters became full vampires. Part of the point was to impose his will on their demon, which probably would not work when the demon is not active.
Hmm.
I was under the impression it was both, to dominate both their will and their demons. Certainly a lot easier to dominate a person's will if you started before they gained any power to do anything about it.
But whatever works for the quest.
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Apropos of nothing, difference between Black, Red and White vampires across a threshold:
I could see the front door from where I stood outside the window, and a couple of seconds after the radio stopped counting aloud, it opened upon a White Court vampire.
She was maybe five-two, with a dimpled smile and dark, curly hair that fell to her waist. She was wearing a white blouse with a long, full white skirt and bright scarlet ballet slippers. The first thought that went through my head was Awww, she's tiny and adorable—followed closely by the notion that she would be fastidious when blood was everywhere. I could just see her carefully lifting the hem of her pristine skirt so that only the scarlet slippers would touch it.
"Good evening, everyone," she said, breezing through the door without an invitation, speaking with a strong British accent. "I apologize for being a few moments late, but what's a lady to do with weather like this? Tea? Lovely." She minced over to the table and poured some hot tea into an empty cup. Her eyes fastened on Daniel as she did, and she bowed just low enough to draw the young man's eyes to her décolletage. He flushed and looked away sternly. After a second.
Tough to blame the kid. I've been a young man. Boobs are near the center of the universe, until you turn twenty-five or so. Which is also when young men's auto insurance rates go down. This is not a coincidence.
The vampire smirked, a surprisingly predatory expression on her cupid's-bow lips, and glided back to the empty chair by the door, seating herself in it like Shirley Temple on a movie set, sure that she held the attention of everyone there.
"Gutsy," I said quietly.
"Why do you say that?" Sir Stuart asked.
"She came in without an invitation," I said.
"I thought vampires couldn't do that."
"The Reds ca—That is, they couldn't without being half-paralyzed. The Black Court vampires can't cross a threshold, period. The Whites can, but it cripples their abilities, makes it very difficult to draw on their Hunger for strength and speed."
Sir Stuart shook his head. "Ah yes. She's a succubus."
"Well . . . not exactly, but the differences are academic."
The shade nodded. "I'm not exposing Mortimer to that creature."
"Probably not a bad idea," I agreed. "He's got access to way too much information. They'd love to get someone like Mort under their thumb."
"Hello, Felicia," Murphy said, her tone cool and professional. "All right, people. Mr. Childs won't be here tonight. I'm holding his proxy."
Felicia curled the fingers of both tiny hands around the teacup and sipped it. The tea had been scalding when the others had first sipped it. They'd been cautious. The vampire took a mouthful as if it had been room-temperature Kool-Aid and swallowed it down with a little shiver of apparent pleasure. "How convenient for you. Shall we ever see the dapper gentleman again?"
I don't think that should be considered indicative. Extra successes on NWS gives you more information even information that your target didn't know and from the text of the charm the extra information is geared towards what you can use to hurt them.
I sort of expected that we might get some extra information like did Eric suffer before the end?* Did he blame Bella for what happened to him?* What were her father's motivations in doing what he did? Did Eric have other friends that blame Bella for what happened to him? The threads of causality stretch far from the original event.
*In this case negative space of not learning that indicates he didn't.
I do think its indicative.
How many things do you remember from when you were six? That her darkest, most shameful secret as a kid raised in a vampire household is something back when she was ~6 years old(she's 17 now) makes it a foundational incident in her childhood.
I wouldn't know, might be infectable, might not.
I think the argument is weak though, since Mab herself and all her subordinates are infectable, so that can't be criteria.
Mab's subordinates are.
I dont tnink there's evidence that Mab herself is. Not when she is capable of purging it, and we see her do so for Maeve.
May be possible to grandfather in an Nfection by, say, infecting Maeve or Lea and then getting them to usurp her.
Indeed Nemesis appeared to think so.
But infecting the current Queen seems unlikely.
True. I can still hope, though.
We know that at least magical jade is still around, as is gossamer. I don't expect to find much of it, but it wouldn't surprise me to find some in the Dragon's hoard once we raid it.
Gossamer yes. The magic jade in Kindred of the East isnt the same sort of jade in Exalted though.
As for Siriothrax's hoard and the curse presumably on it that has left it untouched for 20 years, I wouldnt vote to go near it without several things
-The Sight merit
-Path Countermagic: 12xp
-Hellscry Chakra: 8xp
-Antishaping Charm: 20xp
-Our Kingdom/Hell to provide a secure treasury to stash that stuff
Its a Dragons hoard with presumably a Dragons death curse on it.
Im aware of the plot of Wagner's Ring Cycle, which may or may not be based on actual historical events in this AU.
Thats enough to make me...wary.
Far more interested in a Nov/Dec roadtrip to Boston to take a look at Kattrin's estate there.
See if there's anything we can root up.
Since nobody else has addressed it, I will. There is explicitly no method of resurrection in Exalted, and, from what I gather, the same is true of WoD. And the Dresdenverse is alleged to have certain persons resurrected, but, well, literal divine intervention, and not the lowercase-d divine. It's explict that no mortal magic in Dresden can raise the dead, and Exalted are still mortal (technically).
Also, after the shenanigans of ASWaH, DP banned ressurection spells for AoIaB, so, that.
@DragonParadox , can we get Lydia's character sheet linked in the Informational tab?
WoD has true resurrection magic available at Healing Path 6.
Its very expensive(you pay permanent Willpower), its limited(the person has to be freshly dead), but its possible.
OK, I stand corrected. And in that vein, Mab and Alfred do kinda resurrect Dresden at the end of Ghost Story. Still, my original point stand: we're not going to be reviving long-dead friends in this quest.
"It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."
"What's that?"
"Go through his pockets and look for loose change."
-The Princess Bride
Since nobody else has addressed it, I will. There is explicitly no method of resurrection in Exalted, and, from what I gather, the same is true of WoD. And the Dresdenverse is alleged to have certain persons resurrected, but, well, literal divine intervention, and not the lowercase-d divine. It's explict that no mortal magic in Dresden can raise the dead, and Exalted are still mortal (technically).
Also, after the shenanigans of ASWaH, DP banned ressurection spells for AoIaB, so, that.
@DragonParadox , can we get Lydia's character sheet linked in the Informational tab?
In fairness that was a special case cause nothing goes beyond level 5 in that world it was low fantasy at least for mortals. The spark quest will be in golarion heck he didn't even outright say no when I asked about doing the starstone trials which are level 20+ mythic ranks level difficulty. It's also golarion where resurrection is a known quantity. Now here though uh Dresden technically got revived though I'd say it's not a true resurrection like in d&d since they got the soul and body in their domain and ownership technically of him via being a knight. Not that your wrong here just mentioning it for the new pathfinder quest really.
I do think its indicative.
How many things do you remember from when you were six? That her darkest, most shameful secret as a kid raised in a vampire household is something back when she was ~6 years old(she's 17 now) makes it a foundational incident in her childhood.
The whole point of getting 5 or more successes is that we get information that even the person we are looking to doesn't know. If we just want everything that they know about it 4 successes is enough. The charm isn't actually really mind reading.
This is generally correct for player characters, as writers were pretty big on "no backsies" policy. "Better force you players to deal with the consequences of event X, rather than just allow them to magic away everything."
At some point anyway. And some writers. As a whole, White Wolf/oWoD loves undermining its own narratives and setting integrity, so there is a bunch of things that dance on the edge, and sometimes outright step into nominally forbidden territory. Fully sentient and sapient continuation-of-consciousness Ghosts are a thing, vampires are technically resurrected as a part of their embrace, and a lot of high-power beings can prepare a "way back" if they care to. Time Travel is a thing, time-rewinds are allowed, although GM is encouraged to blow you up if you get too cheeky with it.
Nothing can help you if a century or ten has passed since death and you left no ghost or prep to bring your back, but otherwise, things are somewhat malleable. Scarlet Rapture is kind of in-line with that sort of cheeky stuff. "Oh, I never really died."
...And liminal are sort of resurrected, but not really. There is generally not particularly much left of the person they were before, IIRC.
Mages also can produce a extremely well-made copy of a person, no problemo, but that's not really resurrection. There is also some genuine true resurrections nonsense in Sphere 6+ for Mages, but literally everyone hates that book, including its author. There is probably a bunch more of specific examples, but I think this is enough to get the gist.
It's explict that no mortal magic in Dresden can raise the dead, and Exalted are still mortal (technically).
Solaroids are pretty much never "Mere Mortals" for the purpose of "can you do X, theoretically."
When things are Not Allowed, but they are Not Allowed because they are Not Allowed for absolutely everyone, or/and because you are sub E6 widdle babby who is too young and feeble to remake the cosmos, and ExWoD doesn't really concern itself with post E6 Super Exalt stuff.
Even then, a Celestial Exalt can do most everything a nascent demiurge or a vampire demigod can do.
Since nobody else has addressed it, I will. There is explicitly no method of resurrection in Exalted, and, from what I gather, the same is true of WoD. And the Dresdenverse is alleged to have certain persons resurrected, but, well, literal divine intervention, and not the lowercase-d divine. It's explict that no mortal magic in Dresden can raise the dead, and Exalted are still mortal (technically).
For the record the no resurrection thing by exalted lore exists for the same reason time travel is impossible. IE the exalted wrote those laws into existence, mostly to prevent the Yozi/Neverborn using them to undo their own defeat.
-The Sight merit
-Path Countermagic: 12xp
-Hellscry Chakra: 8xp
-Antishaping Charm: 20xp
-Our Kingdom/Hell to provide a secure treasury to stash that stuff
Add a perfect defense to that, preferably CCI. Simply getting 100 dice worth lethal damage poured on Molly's head is a possibility that antishaping or counter-magic doesn't really help with.
We can't. WoD rules say that inventing a ritual requires you have a higher dot than the ritual. That means that inventing a five dot ritual requires Alchemy 6, which is legendarily near impossible to have. Inventing a six dot ritual is literally impossible, as Alchemy 7 doesn't exist in the system.
All six dot recipes are discovered, as it's impossible to create them.
I think it is more a case that he did his thing after his daughters became full vampires. Part of the point was to impose his will on their demon, which probably would not work when the demon is not active.
Add a perfect defense to that, preferably CCI. Simply getting 100 dice worth lethal damage poured on Molly's head is a possibility that antishaping or counter-magic doesn't really help with.
It is really hard to get an effect that damaging without it being an environmental effect. Which normally wouldn't matter, but it only costs us 1 essanse to become immune to those for a scene. Molly is flat out immune to so many types of traps.
Mab's subordinates are.
I dont tnink there's evidence that Mab herself is. Not when she is capable of purging it, and we see her do so for Maeve.
May be possible to grandfather in an Nfection by, say, infecting Maeve or Lea and then getting them to usurp her.
Indeed Nemesis appeared to think so.
But infecting the current Queen seems unlikely.
My bet would be that it's only possible to take the greater fey by trickery for nemesis. If I remember correctly the gatekeeper's job is to check returning soldiers over for influence, so it's possible to do to winter fey in the first place, but they were also designed for this conflict. It makes sense for their leadership to have the strongest possible protections baked in.
I don't buy Mab being flat immune, just too paranoid to get caught by tricks like what got Lea.
It is really hard to get an effect that damaging without it being an environmental effect. Which normally wouldn't matter, but it only costs us 1 essanse to become immune to those for a scene. Molly is flat out immune to so many types of traps.
AoE and environmental damage are different things. A forest fire is a source of environmental damage, but an equal sized fire caused by someone dropping tons of napalm in us is an attack we have to treat like regular damage.
As far as I understand it it's a consequence of conceptual reality warping not always being convenient.
Like how CSR allows Molly to heal by completely submerging herself in arbitrarily toxic waste, but doesn't actually make her immune to being poisoned by the same substances.
AoE and environmental damage are different things. A forest fire is a source of environmental damage, but an equal sized fire caused by someone dropping tons of napalm in us is an attack we have to treat like regular damage.
As far as I understand it it's a consequence of conceptual reality warping not always being convenient.
Like how CSR allows Molly to heal by completely submerging herself in arbitrarily toxic waste, but doesn't actually make her immune to being poisoned by the same substances.
I know that but it's really hard to manage 100 dice worth of damage without setting off a volcano or something. Also 100 dice of damage is extreme overkill for anything in DF that stands any chance of being hit by a trap.
Also the dragon is generally not going to want to blow up his own horde.
@Yog I love the 5 fold court. I love the worldbuilding, the backstory the people. I love it so much that I really want to consider replacing Gaols with Lord of the land. The 5 Fold Court has Pockets of safety debluff with Lord of the Land we can actually work at fixing the hellish environmental problems and I want to explore and improve the place.
Also Gaols just doesn't seem useful. I can't think of any enemies that we are going to imprison in our hell that couldn't be contained by a robust prison cell and vigilant guards. Everyone one seems be against trying to store the coins in our hell and that seems like the only thing that would require that sort of containment that we aren't going to just kill with Murder is Meat.
[X] Set some ground rules v2
-[X] No permanent harm to people at the school. Not unless there's genuine danger to life, like a rape attempt, and she can't handle the situation without it. And you'll be checking by the the spirit of the rules, not the wording. You are not a fey.
-[X] No talking about supernatural stuff to make your life hard.
[X] Maybe you could make use of her
-[X] Explain the story of the almost-deadly selfy from two months ago. Ask her to make sure that the responsible people would not bully their juniors again anytime soon. She has plenty of time to get to know people here and make a plan, no rush.
Incidently we have now found out that Bella's (Wits + Subterfuge) is 6 which isn't bad at all. It's as good as Molly expect that Molly has it as a key ability, but still really great by normal standards. She's at the level where someone does it for a living which she likely does considering her home life.
