Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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fictionfan
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So does this information change how we decide to deal with Bella?
[X] Set some ground rules v2
-[X] No permanent harm to people at the school. Not unless there's genuine danger to life, like a rape attempt, and she can't handle the situation without it. And you'll be checking by the the spirit of the rules, not the wording. You are not a fey.
-[X] No talking about supernatural stuff to make your life hard.
[X] Maybe you could make use of her
-[X] Explain the story of the almost-deadly selfy from two months ago. Ask her to make sure that the responsible people would not bully their juniors again anytime soon. She has plenty of time to get to know people here and make a plan, no rush.
Maybe not try and get her to make mortal friends at the moment.
[X] Set some ground rules v2
-[X] No permanent harm to people at the school. Not unless there's genuine danger to life, like a rape attempt, and she can't handle the situation without it. And you'll be checking by the the spirit of the rules, not the wording. You are not a fey.
-[X] No talking about supernatural stuff to make your life hard.
[X] Maybe you could make use of her
-[X] Explain the story of the almost-deadly selfy from two months ago. Ask her to make sure that the responsible people would not bully their juniors again anytime soon. She has plenty of time to get to know people here and make a plan, no rush.
Maybe not try and get her to make mortal friends at the moment.
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Let's be honest, Papa Raith's bar is so low you need to be a tectonic plate in a subduction zone to see it, and I'm not talking with him as the one on top.
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[X] No, previous vote stands
WWe are not her father and neither a 7 year old,, we won't stand for our mortal friends getting killed.
WWe are not her father and neither a 7 year old,, we won't stand for our mortal friends getting killed.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I feel like this extra information should enable a stunt of some kind, but I can't think of it.
Well, we should probably make it clear that her messing up will not end with us killing others, or in other type of disproportionate retribution. Also, it occurs to me - @DragonParadox do we need to ask now, or will we have a chance later to ask her if there are any night clubs or bars or such that cater to the supernatural crowd? Not Mac's (we'll need Harry to go there first to avoid scaring people), but, like, places where the younger "monster" crowd hangs out. I want to know, but I don't want to talk about it in front of our mundane friends.
[X] No, previous vote stands
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
[X] No, previous vote stands
Its just a sign of what happens if someone of the court lives too long, does too much, and stops seeing the universe as more than a solvable equation with themselves as the answer. The one in front of us isn't there yet and, through our labor, may never end up there.
Intellectually we knew this was how things are. Its just a shock to have it rubbed in our face like this.
All the more reason to go all-in on Wolfram and Hart.
Its just a sign of what happens if someone of the court lives too long, does too much, and stops seeing the universe as more than a solvable equation with themselves as the answer. The one in front of us isn't there yet and, through our labor, may never end up there.
Intellectually we knew this was how things are. Its just a shock to have it rubbed in our face like this.
All the more reason to go all-in on Wolfram and Hart.
That is a pretty specific thing, you would have to vote for it.
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She might just ask if we read too many YA novels.
We know there is a peer circle for whampires, and that ghouls are skavis-adjacent, and that there are summer camps for whampire kids. So, it's quite possible that there are clubs where young whamps and other demonlblooded hang out.
Also, she still thinks we are an ancient godbeast wearing a Molly suit. I think her family's working theory might be "Fallen on probation trying to turn over a new leaf and go for redemption".
Im sure they dont.
The fact that the Fomor use them so widely in Ghost Story and noone uses iron as a defense or offense suggests they dont.
We see them in Battlegrounds, and its not an issue there either afaik.
We dont appear to see many magic users as Fae Knights either.
Its not that they arent valuable, its more that what she's looking for in a Knight is often not connected to pre-existing powers.
There's orders of magnitude more mortals than Whamps at any time; she's going to usually have more luck finding the qualities she wants in the mortal population.
But here she states that he does have the basic qualities she looks for. So...
Mab is not averse to investing effort in her recruits if she thinks its worth the trouble.
She kept Dresden's body running for six months after his assassination, and I think she spent another nine months nursing him back to health in time for the events of Cold Days.
That said, she doesnt have to take the demon out; Lea's first encounter with Susan and Martin in Changes makes it clear that she can straight up dominate entities of that level at will.
I dont agree.
Like I said, Fallen dont seem to be the sort of people who share. I am reasonably certain that holding a Coin would passively protect you against involuntary Nemesis infection. And that you cant actively accept Nemesis withiut dropping your Coin.
I mean, the debt that Nicodemus claimed from Mab in Skin Game was incurred when she needed someone to stand in for her at the Gates and cut a deal with Nicky and Anduriel.
If Nicodemus was vulnerable to Nfection, Mab would not have done that deal.
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COMMENTARY
-Well.
One of the generational monstrosities that mar the upbringing of a lot of Whampires. Its darkly amusing that Lord Raith, for all his monstrosity, was apparently kinder to at least some of his Whampire virgins than Sylgia here.
-Shades of the Barrowhill family. I have to wonder if
1)This was always planned to be Eric's fate eventually at some point in the next decade as a rite of passage for his daughter. Like having a farm child raise an animal and then slaughtering it for food OR
2)If the boy's murder was just supposed to be an object lesson for his daughter about obedience and respect, OR
3)Bella's father just killed him out of irritation or a deliberate attempt at isolating his preteen daughter
Whampire household. Motives often get very twisty.
I doubt she made many friends among the help after this, regardless, even if she wanted to.
-The implication here is that the Sylgia household, who are House Skavis, collects and raises ghoul scions to be raised as future servitors/retainers of their house. Might even breed them for a steady supply. This is similar to Charles Barrowhill, who while a member of House Raith, also had his entourage full of ghouls.
Thats rather contrary to the Raith family proper, who apparently use human servants exclusively.
No uniformity.
-The timing appears to be less than a year before Isabella approached Leinth for the first time, which seems significant.
Was she seeking out protection against her father from someone who was obviously powerful enough not to be crossed lightly?
-I note the repeated absence of a mother or maternal figure in any of her memories.
Neither the Interlude, nor this peek at her history, shows any evidence of one.
I guess her mother was neither White Court, nor alive.
-White Court summer camp.
Given how byzantine and cutthroat Whampire politics gets, I doubt it was an especially restful place, even for children.
-We really want to avoid goals/tasks that look like tests.
And socialization is probably key.
I suspect Eric was probably the last person she could reasonably call friend
We really have to have her meet Michael sometime.
10 successes. Double Legendary.
Suggests this is pretty fundamental to her personality.
Hmm.
We really should adjust our approach.
Mab isnt going to kill you for discovering one of her secrets, as long as you arent carelessly blabbing to all and sundry; Battlegrounds makes it clear that there are people who remember her as a mortal. I mean, Bob says Mab wants him dead, but she's known where he was since at least Changes and didnt do anything.
And Mab is most definitely not going to kill you under truce conditions at a diplomatic meeting.
No matter what you learn.
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Im not saying its necessarily wise to use this on Mab and tell her we can do it, mind.
Or even that its of use.
Just that its not a Die Screaming infraction.
Eh.
I might use it for a new Dark Sun shield, but not to rebuild Ebon Scales. Gonna need better stuff for that.
Maybe if you want to rebuild Michael's armor
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I think it's less that he is kinder and more that he discounted his sons. There is no intent not to traumatize, merely no interest in doing so.
KITT. Like, the MIrror stuff is directly Molecular Bonded Shell. We should start knighting black rider.
Also, while we'll eventually have better stuff, there's no reason not to make an intermediate stuff now. We have gotten significantly better than we were before. More dice, more difficulty adjusters, better and magical materials already available. We should upgrade. When we get orichalcium, craft 7 (5+2 from enchantment) with fortune and alchemical bonuses on top of that, we upgrade yet again.
That's a big "when" tbh.
Closest we can manage without homebrew is Alchemy 6 platonic materials. Proper Exalted Magical Materials... IDK.
...I do look forward to rolling double or triple sux on Alchemy 6 formulas, though.
Oh, I wasnt thinking of his sons.
See Inari Raith, who was brought up not knowing there was anything out of the ordinary about her family besides their being very wealthy, and only learned she was a Whampire when her father had her put in Dresden's room when injured so her Hunger could feed on him and Awaken.
Its hard to contrast that with Lord Raith as the dude who reputedly committed incest with the other 7-9 of his living daughters in order to dominate them.
Was Inari Raith a special favorite?
Or was she just lucky to have been born after Maggie LeFay fucked up Lord Raith's ability to feed, so he couldnt afford to indulge himself as per normal? I have no idea.
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I do have a handbuilt vehicle( EV minivan/three row SUV) pencilled in as a Conveyance focus for moving Molly+party members outside Chicago. But thats future planning.
I was thinking Primum Metallum(Alchemy 3) as a minimum requirement for Ebon Scales II.
Prior to that, its just a waste of AP IMO.
I dont expect to see orichalcum in this game.
That level of artifice is supposed to be gone from the world.
I think it is more a case that he did his thing after his daughters became full vampires. Part of the point was to impose his will on their demon, which probably would not work when the demon is not active.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I don't think that should be considered indicative. Extra successes on NWS gives you more information even information that your target didn't know and from the text of the charm the extra information is geared towards what you can use to hurt them.
I sort of expected that we might get some extra information like did Eric suffer before the end?* Did he blame Bella for what happened to him?* What were her father's motivations in doing what he did? Did Eric have other friends that blame Bella for what happened to him? The threads of causality stretch far from the original event.
*In this case negative space of not learning that indicates he didn't.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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So long as we have an applicable intimacy. Otherwise the spend essanse part is only for unnatural mental influence.
Incidentally why social dice are often considered more powerful than mind control in Exalted.
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I wouldn't know, might be infectable, might not.
I think the argument is weak though, since Mab herself and all her subordinates are infectable, so that can't be criteria.
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But would/could it still act as de facto mind control in terms of its mechanical effects on us?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
If it doesn't conflict with any of our intimacys. Yes of course if they beat our social dice and the Willpower check. However we do have the option to spend a Willpower and join battle.
We are also among those beings that can manage to change someone's life with 7 words.
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True. I can still hope, though.
We know that at least magical jade is still around, as is gossamer. I don't expect to find much of it, but it wouldn't surprise me to find some in the Dragon's hoard once we raid it.