Well it is different in one regard, it also serves as food, or if one were inclined to see the various hungers of vampires and other supernaturals as ailments, medicine that ameliorates some rather debilitating conditions. The Hunger is not really what one can call pro-social.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Well it is different in one regard, it also serves as food, or if one were inclined to see the various hungers of vampires and other supernaturals as ailments, medicine that ameliorates some rather debilitating conditions. The Hunger is not really what one can call pro-social.
That's kind of screwed up. Mechanically it's only a -1, but the source and implications are different in the narrative. -1 because we're really goddamn scary isn't a problem in my view, -1 because we drugged them is.
It might be irrational on my part, but I'd rather kill people than screw with this stuff. Not necessarily because it's a fate worse than death, but because it's a problem for Molly to be doing it.
And really, repentance found through force isn't really repentance. I'm sure Micheal would have a few things to say about this plan when he heard what we were doing.
The fey stuff is a little weird in the context of what we know about the fey and how they're presented in canon. That said, it does demonstrate that the furthest you can get from their power is "strong local allies". Mab isn't the undisputed god queen of the planet; this in no way stops her from having tremendous power and influence over the world Molly has to live in.
You could even call it an unfair or undue influence depending on your perspective. This is by design on Winter's part. They've spent a long time using their position to advance their interests and with varying degrees of subtlety bias stuff in their direction.
This shouldn't be a surprise, because stuff related to fighting the outside gets you a certain amount of consideration from people in the know; see all the background stuff with Harry being starborn.
The fey used to have earth side bosses who also shouldered the burden, but they've been able to run around and backstop their position on "remember how I'm the primary thing stopping Cthulhu and his entire extended family from running a train on you?" for something like a thousand years by now.
Not exactly holding the world hostage as I see it, but more like a soft power gold standard. High end power comes from purpose, and they've got a hell of a purpose. Which guarantees they'll be around and strong for a long time, in addition to the reasonable gratitude people are prone towards when they know you're the one keeping the tentacles at bay.
Yeah. If the -1 was temporary I could see using it. It makes people more gullible, but only when interacting with us. So simply setting up agreements on duties/orders before they're under the influence, then avoid interactions through anything but anonymized intermediaries until they're clean would work.
It being permanent kind of cuts the knees out from under us there.
If we do end up getting it we'll have to find some compromise on using it, probably from elaborate and permanent separation between us and the people using the grubs. Only issuing paper orders that could come from anyone up their chain of command and stuff like that.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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So, upon further reading, I can still say the minor mind manipulation isn't too troublesome, but this part does bother me:
I can't recall if this question has already been asked and answered, but does the physical transformation effect apply to beings who are already Creatures of Darkness?
Something else to consider here in terms of alternatives is Molly's eventual hell.
Most hell designs that've been presented include some variant of the immortality perk in them and a human population.
if we can nurse our vamps along until we buy our hell, we can take them there to look for volunteers/people willing to do it in trade for something. That works for fledging and everything, because killing the victim doesn't actually stick.
It'd be easiest for raiths at the start, but everything is someone's fetish. The other two would get some business, and can learn alternative feeding techniques after they fledge in any case.
Most hell designs that've been presented include some variant of the immortality perk in them and a human population.
if we can nurse our vamps along until we buy our hell, we can take them there to look for volunteers/people willing to do it in trade for something. That works for fledging and everything, because killing the victim doesn't actually stick.
It'd be easiest for raiths at the start, but everything is someone's fetish. The other two would get some business, and can learn alternative feeding techniques after they fledge in any case.
It does not, they only get the milder -1 and stop at that because their inner darkness is already shaped and given purpose so the exaltation can only make a limited mark on it... with that charm at least.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Nope. If you are a CoD you are only hit by the -1.
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[X] Plan Cross Eyed Look
[X] Plan Duck Out
[X] Plan Duck Out
[X] Plan Authority Doesn't Need Mind Control.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I wanted to ask.
How does Alchemy work? Do we need ingredients?
Would the Maggots from MMP count?
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Good thing we aren't hurting for cash.
Bigger Dice pool wins. Sure a swing of bad rolls can let her win. But over 10 social combats, over 100. Again even the Exalted books outright say don't bother rolling for mortals under a long term social attack, the exalted is going to win.
From a purely Christian standpoint Mindcontrol would be a lesser then Advanced Social manipulation. MindControl forcing your will on another bad for you, but their soul remains pure do to the lack of choice. Social someone into compliance and their souls bare any sin as much as you, if not more so.
If you want ethically pure I suggest you run your own quest. Because we are playing a Exalted Infernal that ship never even arrived at port.
I do not think you understand how Exalted work. It impossible for an Exalted to have an equal relationships with basically anybody that is not also an exalted. In the entire quest we have meet all of one person that can interact with Molly as an equal, Miss Queen of Air and Darkness Mab. That the level you have to be considered an Exalted peer.
[X] Plan Authority is Asskicking
Gotta get that mind control
Gotta get that mind control
You do need ingredients, but as Harry shows they are not always expensive, just odd. This is not D&D, it is more about the themes than the gp value.
[X] Plan Authority is Asskicking
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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You should never make that assumption. In general what a charm says on the tin trump's reality and basic logic. As seen when Exalted grapple mountains.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X] Plan Authority Doesn't Need Mind Control
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- Actually pretty lost
Just caught up with the quest.
I'm probably not going to vote this round because I haven't got a strong grasp of Exalted builds. But I'm a little baffled by people decrying the mild mind controlling effect, when we're apparently already explicitly applying a much stronger, less benevolent mind control effect just by being near them. That horse has well and truly left the stable already.
By the way, do we have any plans to pick up the Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism any time soon? It seems a bit mean to leave Dresden struggling with a Fallen when we can fix that for him.
I'm probably not going to vote this round because I haven't got a strong grasp of Exalted builds. But I'm a little baffled by people decrying the mild mind controlling effect, when we're apparently already explicitly applying a much stronger, less benevolent mind control effect just by being near them. That horse has well and truly left the stable already.
By the way, do we have any plans to pick up the Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism any time soon? It seems a bit mean to leave Dresden struggling with a Fallen when we can fix that for him.
Honestly, I just think this vote is interesting since it seems to be the most contentious thing since maybe when we were deciding whether or not we ran away from home, but that was something Molly knew about in character. This is going to be entirely out of character, so she'll never know this vote took place since it doesn't represent a conscious decision point for her.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well that sucks we have a new minion on the edge of starvation who feeds on dispair. If we can't feed her someone is going to have a very hard time as she inflicts dispair inducing mind control on them.
Vote for MMP to reduce the total amount of mind control being done by us and our minions.
Vote for MMP to reduce the total amount of mind control being done by us and our minions.
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