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[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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It is not one of the canonical Neverborn, as far as I know. I'd guess that this is neverborn of Metagaos.
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No the name is on the list of Canonical Never-born. Apparently it is described in "The Compass of Terrestrial Directions, volume 2: The West" pg 77.
The wiki page just doesn't have any more details.
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Is there any question that we might ask about them that is likely to be relivent to us? I am generally inclined to let dead gods lie unless the information is likely to help us somehow.
Yeah, at least excellencies should definitely be used. I am surprised it wasn't used here. We should make it a policy "if asking about arcane subject, pre-load occult excellency".
Anyway - Black Court are servants of a Neverborn. Worst case scenario - Black court are first circle demons of a Neverborn. We should definitely destroy them on sight. They are likely the ones most aware of who and what we are.
We also probably want to talk to our father, priest, and, really, Uriel. Because "it's a Creator Being" flies rather strongly in the face of Christian theology.
The issue is that Black Court are actually active in the world. They are carrying out a will of a Neverborn. The will of the Neverborn is for Creation to be swallowed by Oblivion so that they may finally die.
Basically, we just discovered that, cosmologically, the conflict is not a two-sided one (Reality vs Outsiders). It's a three sided one (Reality vs. Outsiders vs. Neverborn).
And the chances that Lydia's creation had some proper exalted lore in its basis just skyrocketed - if Black Court is directly tied to, and was created by a Neverborn, there's a non-insignificant chance that Kemmler knew the name, and more besides.
French person here, not only is it still in use (it's basically our oh my god equivalent due to us being less religious), but the context is correct, no problem there.
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Or, far more probable IMO, the outsiders are the neverborn, and it's still a two sided war.
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IDK if that's really assured. To DF, they just might be yet another group of Outsiders.
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It's possible that all the 'Outsiders' are in fact Never-born and their minions. Which makes their name ironic given the Primordials are the ultimate insiders.
Ok, yeah, that's a fair interpretation, I guess.
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[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
Always up for getting more minions. But kind of want to think of a stunt. Every little bit helps to progress the rolls.
Always up for getting more minions. But kind of want to think of a stunt. Every little bit helps to progress the rolls.
Dunno, that might get real close to violating our agreement not to peek at the deity behind the curtain
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The knowledge that black court vampires are active agents* of the Never-born Perfected Principle of Consumption means that the odds of there being a or multiple Abyssal exaltation sealed away is very high. If I were to bet I would bet that there is one in Hades's vault.
*I say agents, but Abyssal Exalted make it fairly clear that the Never-born are suffering too much to give coherent orders most of the time. Black Court vampires were likely designed to have a nature that would incline them to kill everything, but no real directives and it's possible that many of them are actually somewhat nice people in a tragic situation. Or not the ones that fought their nature might all be dead now.
*I say agents, but Abyssal Exalted make it fairly clear that the Never-born are suffering too much to give coherent orders most of the time. Black Court vampires were likely designed to have a nature that would incline them to kill everything, but no real directives and it's possible that many of them are actually somewhat nice people in a tragic situation. Or not the ones that fought their nature might all be dead now.
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The Compass has 1 more detail, saying that "Principle of Consumption" is the Neverborn which the Deathlord "Bodhisattva Anointed by Dark Waters" serves. Since the Deathlords (super ghosts) are probably gone in this age, that's unlikely to be relevant.
There is some ancient homebrew theorizing that it was once Ta'akozoka.
Here is the 2e homebrew charmset of that primordial: Taakozoka - Ninja_Sensei_Gaming
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That doesn't really make any sense. The Never-born are the Primordials who were killed in the war and the Infernals are the ones that swore the surrender oaths. A Infernal becoming a Never-born doesn't really work.
Edit: Or I guess an Infernal might be killed later, but is there anything indicating that happened?
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This was meant to be a Yozi. It was created during a phase where homebrewers were creating new Yozi as original creations or AU Neverborn that had survived. I believe that the inspiration was a brief description of Ta'akozoka in the Compass of Celestial Directions: The North as a Yozi who was killed.
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We could likely use a black court vampire as a focus to find the location of a Abyssal Exaltation. Not sure why we would want an Abyssal Exaltation. Also we don't actually know enough in character to know that they are a thing to ask questions about, but they are likely a valid focus for the question.
Likely right. Also looking up the Bodhisattva Anointed by Dark Waters if he was still 'alive' the signs should be fairly obvious. He's modus opperandom was to create a giant state religion death cult. But he was also a compulsive shape shifter who made new identities constantly so there is no way we would recognize him.
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Thinking about stunts for repairing the last station what sort of design plan are we going for?
- Do we want a welcoming area where the people of undertown want to hang out?
- A secure fortress?
- Restoring the place so trains go through it again?
- Something else?
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Drakul being an old Abyssal makes sense. Relatively pathetic showings for one, I guess, but he might be jobbing.
There's also a point that in this thinner reality, resurrection is possible. Neverborn, at least some of them, might possibly be curable / restorable.
[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 pogress)
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It's fairly common for Abyssals to job. Very few of them are actually enthusiastic about destroying everything including themselves, but they are often required to at least make a show of trying.
But did this Drakul respond/acknowledge to that name? Because if he did he is almost certainly not an Abyssal.
Edit: Drakul almost certainly not an Abyssal. If he was he would insist on being referred to by a title and certainly would not have signed his name to the accords.
I guess that the Never-born might be restored. This reality doesn't seem to have an absolute prohibition against true resurrection, but we should test bringing back some regular people first. Bringing a Never-born back to life if likely to be a much harder job if it's even a good idea. The Primordials were overthrown for good reasons.
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I feel like I would be more worried about this revelation if my Exalted knowledge wasn't basically zero.
Blampires having so many pronounced weaknesses seems odd to me if they're a deliberately created species of Undead, but I guess the Neverborn who cooked them up was min-maxing hardcore?
[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
Blampires having so many pronounced weaknesses seems odd to me if they're a deliberately created species of Undead, but I guess the Neverborn who cooked them up was min-maxing hardcore?
[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
You can't really restore a NeverBorn they are dead, from die forever charms. Their are really only three options. One is make them into soulsteel, the Solar's where considering doing to to make impregnable barrier around Creation. Two reseal their tombs and put them back to sleep. Three rebuild Lethe to be able to handle Primordial level beings.