Hardly the Monkey King was beating them up in mass in their own hell's even before he became 7 flavors of immortal durning his mass stealing in the Jade palace.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Hanuman nuked Lanka, the Hell, but Ravana the Yama King is unharmed, and is leveraging that as part of his attempt to assert metaphysical dominion over the post-nuclear apocalypse cities he foresees and tries to bring about by trying to trigger a nuclear war in Asia.
As I recall it, Ravnos fought against three Bodhisattva, the Methuselah equivalents. Not Arhats, the Hungry Dead who are peers to Anteleuividians like him.
Hanuman burned Lanka, but Ravana is apparently fine and may even have profited from the event.
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You can beat someone that is literally omnipotent so long as you have shaping defenses and perfect defenses. Or if you take them by surprise. Although I expect that the claim to omnipotent is overstatement.
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OctarineShrike
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This is the point where something like Rihaku's Infinite Singularity Husk(ISH) paradigm becomes necessary.
Well. That's a thing. I amguessing Thousand Hells are (built on top) yozi world bodies / temple tombs I a way. I am morbidly what a proper invocation of [Ebon Dragon, Shadow of All Things] do in Kakuri.
Speaking of the book - does it include "how to survive Thousand Hells" chapter, and does it benefit fro TLF? Or should we make that the second volume?
Thinking more about it, "hell survival manual" is basically "how to become a wan kuei, the user guide" book.
Hmm, a trilogy "Guide to Yomi Wan", "How to survive in Yomi Wan", "How to escape Yomi Wan" would probably be one of those secret treasures hidden in the most forbidden libraries of powerful factions. The last part we could probably cooperate with Lydia to write, as it would involve the matters of afterlife.
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I am sure this is reference, but I don't know it.
Ok found it
1-1.9 is the domain of mundanity. Perfect control of otherwise baseline physics, as attained by a super sci-fi civilization, usually fits around 1.999 and so on.
2-2.9 is where conceptual effects usually exist.
3-3.9 is where perfect effects usually exist.
4-4.9 is where meta effects usually exist. Someone at ISH 4 can act as the "narrator" of reality.
5-5.9 is where effects that can indisputably defeat even meta-effects exist, but at this point we're reaching places that are hard to describe. Rule of Funny is either a ISH 4 or ISH 5 tier effect, depending on your perspective. If ISH4 is only serious discussion of meta-level effects, you could argue that comedy exists one step above this.
2-2.9 is where conceptual effects usually exist.
3-3.9 is where perfect effects usually exist.
4-4.9 is where meta effects usually exist. Someone at ISH 4 can act as the "narrator" of reality.
5-5.9 is where effects that can indisputably defeat even meta-effects exist, but at this point we're reaching places that are hard to describe. Rule of Funny is either a ISH 4 or ISH 5 tier effect, depending on your perspective. If ISH4 is only serious discussion of meta-level effects, you could argue that comedy exists one step above this.
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It wouldn't really work, as the bit of your soul that would be able to remember reading a book, your Hun soul, the part of you that is responsible for intellect and memory and wisdom, stays in the material world with your body. It's only your lower soul, your Po, responsible for your instincts, cunning, emotions and drives that falls into a Hell and has to break out.
It would be an unusual Po soul that would recall such knowledge or would be intellectually capable of using it.
OctarineShrike
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Yep you got it.
A small Strength ISH advantage can be made up for with better base stats in say... an arm wrestling contest. No amount of lesser power can overcome a sufficiently large ISH gap though.
So definitely not the thing to share with the librarians. Someone would put their hand in the screaming, soul flaying, eldritch cookie jar of the damned because it'd be the most solid and complete information they have.
As an aside, what could a wizard actually do with knowledge of the magical laws of Kakuri? Is the difference between the mortal world and that one somehow exploitable without actually traveling there?
Not really, but it wold be very exploitable if you are
BTW, when I mention Ravnos for reference while talking about power levels of Yama Kings - by ExWoD rules I mean a dude with effective essence pool equivalent of 100 that is he capable of rapidly regenerating, access to perfect defenses, permanently jacked 20+ dice pools on everything that matters + ability to stack temporary buffs on top of that, ability to act 8ish times per round, 30-ish points of soak and something like 30 HL that also regenerate.
Oh, and a bunch of reality warping nonsense that provides him with equivalents of most magical effects imaginable. While Bodhisattvas were busy fighting the actual guy, everyone else were fighting gribblies that he was spawning into existence at the same time.
That Ravnos Vs Absolutely Everyone fight was felt by every mystic practitioner and creature more or less everywhere on the globe, and it took several days of fighting and several(?) separate mystic nukes to finally get him to die for real. He almost won regardless.
You are right, it was Bodhisattvas.
Let's not open this box here. Rihaku was the only author I know that actually managed to run a game with sort of nonsense and not turn into a clownshoes circus.
Remember how I posted a way to cheese hundreds worth of XP by making a bunch of really good deals with Hell?
Srsly speaking tho, it'll prolly give enough juice to rando warlock to make himself into a very brief but very painful menace for everyone around him, and turn actually dangerous dudes into legit horrors.
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fictionfan
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So on Rihaku's Infinite Singularity Husk(ISH)
Molly has is mostly in the mundane realm. Our soak is great, our sword is nuclear and our Dex can be super human, but all of that is possible under mundane physics.
Where things get into the second realm is our difficulty reductions. We normally use them to make hard actions easier, but they also allow for making flatly impossible actions possible.
On the third realm we have perfect mental defenses as well as auto success on survival rolls and immunity to environmental damage.
In the 4th realm we have the crown which allows us to just ask PD questions which bypass any in story defenses.
We don't have any 5th realm effects. Those are in the hands of the mods. Although I suppose you could say that Molly has a perfect defense against many types of sexual situations.
Molly has is mostly in the mundane realm. Our soak is great, our sword is nuclear and our Dex can be super human, but all of that is possible under mundane physics.
Where things get into the second realm is our difficulty reductions. We normally use them to make hard actions easier, but they also allow for making flatly impossible actions possible.
On the third realm we have perfect mental defenses as well as auto success on survival rolls and immunity to environmental damage.
In the 4th realm we have the crown which allows us to just ask PD questions which bypass any in story defenses.
We don't have any 5th realm effects. Those are in the hands of the mods. Although I suppose you could say that Molly has a perfect defense against many types of sexual situations.
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Presumably anyone who was reading those books with the intent to use them would be willing to work something out. Maybe work out a ritual to carve some cliff notes into their lower soul to help it gather power and then rejoin their body cleanly.
That's a good point, and probably the sanest use of such a set of books.Remember how I posted a way to cheese hundreds worth of XP by making a bunch of really good deals with Hell?
The funniest would probably be gifting them to a jade vampire you hate though.
It's like giving them a walkthrough to a zone from a video game they've already permanently left. It'd only serve to highlight the mistakes they made and opportunities they missed while they were there.
It might as well be titled "big book of regrets to wake up to at 3am for the rest of eternity" as far as they're concerned.
Btw, according to Thousand Hells book, there is a hidden entrance to Heaven in a remote part of Kakuri.It might as well be titled "big book of regrets to wake up to at 3am for the rest of eternity" as far as they're concerned.
Have you seen the Monty Python skit the killing joke? That's how I'm envisioning jades reacting to that bit of trivia.Btw, according to Thousand Hells book, there is a hidden entrance to Heaven in a remote part of Kakuri.
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Let's not include misinformation that is likely to lead to people invading Kakuri in a attempt to get to heaven.Btw, according to Thousand Hells book, there is a hidden entrance to Heaven in a remote part of Kakuri.
That's not a joke or a lie. It is an actual thing.
Old remnant of Emma-O's past. IDK if that's true in DF, but Molly prolly knows.
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Wow. That is actually really funny.
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Oh cool.
That makes BMI actually useful.
That goes on a list.
Give people an idea of where to look, and they can use inadmissible evidence to turn up admissible evidence.
Parallel construction, basically. What would a court warrant for our cellphone location data show up, for example? Did we leave DNA onsite? I mean, Kattrin did shoot us in the head.
Also, I'd like to talk to Gard or Odin before fingering Kattrin. Just as courtesy
I'm thinking this is one of tnose situations where we're better off taking a raincheck and sleeping on things.
Then doing our due dilligence on the Library people.
Just in case. Not like there is any apparent time pressure.
No the Yama Kings are not.
The Yama Kings regularly scheme and war against each other, but they get together to advance their collective power. Winter and Summer generally dont besides at the Outer Gates. And yet its Winter and Summer that are regarded as first rank powers.
If the Yama Kings get uppity I would expect either of the Fae Courts has the power to crush them summarily.
I mean, its worth remembering the last time the Winter and Summer Knights had a major altercation in the mortal world in 1994?
Things escalated till the American city of Milwaukee vanished for either two or four hours. That was why Mab forced the current version of the Unseelie Accords down everyone's throats.
Very different power levels in play.
Yomi Wan's base of power is in the Far East. They have access to the mortal world there, and do send agents through. They just arent on the same tier of power as the Fae Courts. And for good reason; it was never meant to be their function, and all their scheming doesnt bridge that fundamental gap in power.
In the Dresdenverse, you need a entity's True Name to force them to show up or do what you want.
You dont need it to summon them. Dresden has summoned Ulsharavas, Mab, Titania, the Erl King and Old Mother Winter onscreen without knowing their true names, just enough names they are known by to get their attention.
So yeah, that would conceivably be enough to get ahold of some seriousface functionaries.
Unfortunately that does nothing for telling you if they have infiltrators in positions of authority, access or oversight.
Or even just in key positions of influence. See the White Council and Samuel Peabody. Or when Denarian Quintus Cassius was walking around with the face of Vatican priest Father Vincent.
You would just burn a question to no real value.
This is something that has to be done the hard way.
Ah.
Molly knows the value of this information, knows Bob understands it, trusts Dresden's integrity, and assumes Dresden understands it too. Dresden knows its valuable, but doesnt understand how valuable it is, just like he didnt know how valuable Bob was.
Bob understands exactly how valuable it is, understands that Harry doesnt really grok it, but his priorities are more with having female company for the first time since Elaine fled the DuMorne household.
I have access to Thousand Hells.
Hanuman fucked up Lanka so badly that it doesnt even receive any sinners any longer. What used to be the most powerful Hell is basically scrabbling for scraps and subsisting on escapees from other Hells.
Ravana may be alive and plotting, but its literally his second in command running the place. He himself is never seen in public any longer, enough that there is speculation she will usurp him.What he is trying is a counsel of desperation, thats literally mentioned as something that got the last guy who tried it gangbanged by all the other Yama Kings.
His underlings know it, but are all too scared to object.
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[X] No. you hardly know these people, exchange emails and leave
Know when to hold them, know when to fold them.
If Im going to talk in even broad generalities about the museum murders to federal authorities, I dont think its unreasonable to check if Odin might have any concerns about his wayward daughter's doings being reported.
[X] No. you hardly know these people, exchange emails and leave
Know when to hold them, know when to fold them.
If Im going to talk in even broad generalities about the museum murders to federal authorities, I dont think its unreasonable to check if Odin might have any concerns about his wayward daughter's doings being reported.
