Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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We're pretty good at social already, and most of the charms that would significantly enhance our abilities there aren't exactly the sort of thing we can use on people who might notice and fight back.
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Naked Wicked Souls, but that requires us to pit our perception and empathy against Mab's wits and subterfuge. Which isn't an exchange I expect to go well for us.
We could buy more social dots, but the relative advantage of those is small compared to the total dice pool we're already rolling. Still worth having, but when options exist that dramatically enhance important abilities the opportunity cost of those dice skyrockets.
There's also the matter of the context around the crunch.
Having the seed of a faction on a clear growth trajectory gives us something to work with during these sorts of discussions outside of what's contained in the dice pools involved.
Not directly enhancing our rolls isn't the same thing as not giving us an advantage.
It reduces the DC for ALL Perception rolls by -3.
Perception + Empathy. Perception + Etiquette. Perception + Alertness. Perception + Awareness.
Perception + Occult.
It makes it significantly easier to read people, situations and magical phenomena.
Neither Windborn Stride nor Rendered Villain Dispersal are priorities right now. And Im speaking as their advocate.
We dont currently need RVD's strategic mobility. And while I want Windborn Stride, its not where our build has holes right now.
Our critical need right now is intelligence. Being able to tell what we are looking at.
All Things Betray helps with that. RvD and WBS dont.
Yes Lydia needs Occult 2.
For one thing she was teaching Daniel Occult, which got her XP.
She cant do that when his Occult is higher than hers.
For a second she chased off a boggart
That's...bad. Very bad.
And a sharp reminder we arent always with her. She needs competence.
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Frankly VEE is a priority to me since we a coven upping their path ratings will make them much stronger.
Mine buys Empathy 4.
And All Things Betray, which buys improved Perception for social situations.
Thats 11/23xp spent on Social.
Because we are still preparing for Mab, and only have 2 months left.
[X] Goldfish
@DragonParadox, we also had a diamond crafting action according to the turn plan for August,
Now that we have a territory underground, we even can make a more dedicated/permanent crafting place without worrying about surroundings, Molly's house and family so much.
Did this action get pushed back to the next turn because of all the other things we did? Or is it still pending? Not much time left in the month.
@DragonParadox, we also had a diamond crafting action according to the turn plan for August,
I assume on a more industrial scale with preparation and full dedication for several days, you mentioned a pending vote for details of the crafting (CCC/BSM/WHWH/CSR?) when we would get to it, and a possibility of vote to either go for as high as possible quality, up to natural grade, or to stay at just high quality artificial diamonds, aiming for as large as possible quantity.
Now that we have a territory underground, we even can make a more dedicated/permanent crafting place without worrying about surroundings, Molly's house and family so much.
Did this action get pushed back to the next turn because of all the other things we did? Or is it still pending? Not much time left in the month.
Respectfully, no its not.
VEE can only be used once per year per person. It costs 5 Essence per use.
And it marks the recipient to the sight of any magic user.
Its an OK charm. Its not a such a gamechanger that it is more important than everything else.
And as something to enhance humans? Its suboptimal.
Especially if you are trying to give the impression that you arent trying to steal people's souls.
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fictionfan
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You didn't mention that it costs an essence to use. Prince and Ruin and Rendered Villain Dispersal together cost 1 less XP then it don't cost essence to use and will likely be used more often. Rendered Villain Dispersal is likely to even be essence positive on average because it lets us hide in a tiny jar of bleach which means that we can do it on the go.
[X] Plan Ballroom Blitz
I would rather drop the steelskin for prince of Ruin, but.
[X] Lydia XP: Together as presently
[X] Agree to meet with the Librarian
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How does RVD help you with reading Mab's moods or intentions? How does Prince of Ruin help with detecting packs of malks hiding in tunnels, or Rampires hiding in the shadows? Even now, with the Librarian, how does either of the charms you've mentioned help with discerning his intentions? With figuring out if he's legit or an imposter?
How does any of that help you with diagnosing a combat injury or a disease or a poisoning(Perception + Medicine, btw)?
Your buying a charm that has no activation cost does not close the holes in our skillset.
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All things betray has its utility, but I'm not convinced it's the most important selection right now. Molly is already an information monster, and she has other ways to manipulate those pools.
The difficulty reduction is great, but other things are competitive with it.
In particular anything that gives extensive passive enhancements or outright new abilities.
By making us better all the time passive enhancements effectively free up essence to spend on other stuff, giving significantly disproportionate leverage relative to other options.
New abilities outright change how we okay the game. Look at HMP, which we use constantly in all sorts of little ways.
RVD has excellent synergies with our existing set and opens up stealthy moving between most major human population centers with some prep work.
If we actually spend some actions setting up organizations to do stuff for us that can get us a lot of mileage.
On the next bit; I doubt Lydia can just keep farming exp from training Daniel, and if she could that would be horribly inefficient. Not a terribly good argument in my mind.
I don't think one more occult die would have helped her much there, even with excellency, and catching up weakens her and Molly since they share a pool.
The way I see it, the best option for this is to focus on what Lydia needs to establish a well built role first, and spend AP instead of xp to plug the gaps.
Something like getting her a cyber devil in a phone with a database of screen shots from her library to reference for her when she makes occult check, or to just text us when something unusual happens.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
@DragonParadox @uju32 Is this valid?
How do you want to handle Lydia's XP
[] Lydia earns 1/4xp of what Molly does seperately. So If Molly earns 20xp, Lydia earns 5xp, which is not subtracted from Molly's pool.
This was my idea from last turn.
How do you want to handle Lydia's XP
[] Lydia earns 1/4xp of what Molly does seperately. So If Molly earns 20xp, Lydia earns 5xp, which is not subtracted from Molly's pool.
This was my idea from last turn.
Just to be entirely clear for the purposes of long-term planning, while this is somewhat of a problem now, most of all that just... kind of falls off when you have an arbitrary amount of servants that are willing to make any sort of wishes you tell them to make.
Good lord. Wasn't the idea to give her a % xp bonus based on Molly's xp? Why the choice is between xp share and even worse version of xp share?.. I don't really have the energy to argue about this. If this must be, then whatever.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Easier essence recovery means that we can use exultancy's more freely which in effect makes us better at all those things. Prince of Ruin is a stunt amper and something we can expect to use constantly.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Also, should this not last for a scene?
* Steel Skin
The Shih increases her Stamina by use of this power.
System: The character rolls Stamina + Meditation (difficulty 8). Each success increases the character's Stamina by one, to a maximum of 8. The character must expend one Yang Chi. This increase lasts for the duration of the scene.
For my part I fundamentally disagree with the idea of bending our build around Mab in its entirety.
She's a danger to look out for, but building around a single conversation that we don't even know the aim of yet seems like a dead end to me.
Same with the Librarian; paranoia mode would help, but we can already be superhumanly good at what we need for that.
Beyond that, your rhetoric is easily inverted. How does perception help us get to interesting xp rich locations, involve ourselves in the vampire war without needing prohibitive travel times, or get to a friend in need outside of our immediate reach?
How does it the perception boost help if we need to fight that pack of malks after we see them, or deal with someone kiting us around with a truck and a shotgun? How about if we need to shank a skinwalker?
Mab isn't the only thing we need to consider, and even in the context of getting ready for her just being better as social combat isn't the end all be all of showing up prepared.
Some of the rules were changed in order to avoid Silliness. IIRC it still should last a scene, tho. I'll check in a moment.
EDITED - yeah, duration still should be scenelong.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If steelskin doesn't last a scene than we should not buy it. It was already not actually worth 3 Xp and we are only buying it because of the sunk cost of already having payed 2 AP into it, but if it only works for a turn then we should just cut our loses.
1)Molly has the Crown. Its a one use information superweapon.
She has Cyberdevils 2, which is ok, but not particularly good outside scenarios with tech. She has no bound spirits collecting information.
She has Alertness 0, Awareness 0, Investigation 0, Streetwise 0, Empathy 3.
She is NOT an information monster.
2)The Essence regen ability of RVD is great, and in any other situation I would be championing it.
The strategic mobility right now is not something we need.
We arent going to be going anywhere solo before November.
3)Its not just Daniel. Its the setting.
Specialization means we do not prioritize maxing her out in non-core capabilities. But the child of a god in a walking around with Occult 1 is actively asking for shit to happen. We already had Corpsetaker almost grab her.
Nah.
Id rather have a free hand, so we can throw all the XP at one person or the other at meed
If we worked with that, we'd never be able to afford a 20XP charm in one turn.
We arent bending our build around her. None of these are one-use skills.
We still have a standing invitation from Odin, where those social stats will apply. With Lara Raith.
With whatever other heavy hitters choose to play.
But Mab is the head of government of the hyperpower of the setting.
Our relationship is going to materially warp the course of this Quest
Failing to prioritize preparing for her is just a terrible idea.
Perception is necessary for identifying XP rich locations, and crossing points into the NeverNever.
Its necessary for identifying threats early dnough that we can move squishies; we have a surprise negator for fights only.
It allows us identify snipers that arent aimed at us, or people spying on us from afar, like Possessed!Lydia.
This is the Dresden Files. Information is the superweapon of choice.
Ask the wizards.
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There were no warnings and no dialogue about some need to nerf a charm that gives us like, 3 soak tops. It still should be scenelong.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
[X] Plan Distributed Exp
-[X] Molly: 19xp
—[X] Rendered Villain Dispersal 4xp
—[X] Wind Borne Stride 8xp
—[X] Qiao 1: Steel Skin 3xp
—[X] Running to Forever 4xp
-[X] Lydia 3 xp
—[X] Background: Familiar 1: Raven 3xp
[X] Lydia XP: All companions get 1/4 of the total XP spent on Molly, rounded down. Molly can spend XP on companions but not the other way round. The 1/4 does NOT reduce what Molly earns.
The idea is that Lydia gets her own pool at 1/4 of total xp earned SEPERATELY. This is because the current sharing discourages getting more companions. How this works is if Molly spends 20xp, companions earns 1/4 of that seperately. So Molly earns and uses 20xp but companions gains 5xp which is 1/4 of what we spdnd on molly. So instead of spending 20xp we spend 20xp for Molly and 5xp for companions.
To prevent abuse from farming Companions, Molly can transfer her xp to companions but not the other way around.
-[X] Molly: 19xp
—[X] Rendered Villain Dispersal 4xp
—[X] Wind Borne Stride 8xp
—[X] Qiao 1: Steel Skin 3xp
—[X] Running to Forever 4xp
-[X] Lydia 3 xp
—[X] Background: Familiar 1: Raven 3xp
[X] Lydia XP: All companions get 1/4 of the total XP spent on Molly, rounded down. Molly can spend XP on companions but not the other way round. The 1/4 does NOT reduce what Molly earns.
@DragonParadox Would the xp sharing method be valid?
The idea is that Lydia gets her own pool at 1/4 of total xp earned SEPERATELY. This is because the current sharing discourages getting more companions. How this works is if Molly spends 20xp, companions earns 1/4 of that seperately. So Molly earns and uses 20xp but companions gains 5xp which is 1/4 of what we spdnd on molly. So instead of spending 20xp we spend 20xp for Molly and 5xp for companions.
To prevent abuse from farming Companions, Molly can transfer her xp to companions but not the other way around.
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GM stated that VEE would allow Molly to get the small fey as a ready made spy network.
Citation needed.
Because I'm pretty sure I would remember the QM saying that.
And I dont think an Infernal can use VEE on herself.
Furthermore, if we want that we can get it by roleplay.
And it would be more satisfying that way.
If Dresden could do it by error, if Ace could do it, so can we.