Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

You are buying a luxury car that costs 44K dollars brand new, you need more like a couple tens of thousands of dolars, maybe more depending on if there are any Mercedes enthusiasts at the auction
Yeah, but it's a Mercedes. That's what credit unions are for. We get together 10K or so selling to 4-5 jewelers and then go to the credit union to get a loan agreement for a car loan to cover the cost in excess of our 10K, up to a dollar amount. We can diplomacy the HELL out of whatever poor bank agent we talk to for the loan agreement, so we can likely get extremely favorable terms.

Then we go to the auction and buy the car.
 
Yeah, but it's a Mercedes. That's what credit unions are for. We get together 10K or so selling to 4-5 jewelers and then go to the credit union to get a loan agreement for a car loan to cover the cost in excess of our 10K, up to a dollar amount. We can diplomacy the HELL out of whatever poor bank agent we talk to for the loan agreement, so we can likely get extremely favorable terms.

Then we go to the auction and buy the car.
That might be tricky with us not being 18 yet. I think that a lot of contracts like that can't be legally binding with a kid so they won't even consider it. It would be the sort of thing that makes people spend willpower to refuse.
 
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That might be tricky with us not being 18 yet. I think that a lot of contracts like that can't be legally binding with a kid so they won't even consider it. It would be the sort of thing that makes people spend willpower to refuse.
We do have an adult we can rely on to stand nearby, looking important, while his charming daughter does all the talkey bits.
 
That might be tricky with us not being 18 yet. I think that a lot of contracts like that can't be legally binding with a kid so they won't even consider it. It would be the sort of thing that makes people spend willpower to refuse.
Ok, so it would involve us talking our Dad into actually signing the loan. Still not impossible and in fact actually increases the teenage hijinks we are getting involved in, and that's entirely the point in this whole plotline.
 
[X] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[X] Hacking, try to rob someone who deserves it
--[X]The Pathfinders might as well kick them well they are down.
-[X] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer

[X] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[X] Hacking, try to rob someone who deserves it. Or a least have your Cyber Devils check the feasibility
--[X]The Pathfinders might as well kick them well they are down.
-[x]Red court. You do have a devil in one of your phones right now.
-[x]Formroi don't like them and they seem to make lots of shell companies
-[x]local organizated crime not so much to rob, but to find ways to launder the money.
-[X] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer

Made a second option. I don't think that just crafting gems is going to make us enough money quick enough.
 
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[X] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[X] Have Black Rider imitate some malfunctions, like a misfired airbag to lower valuation of the car. Ideally during the auction.
-[X] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer
--[X} Use excellency, tool transcending constructs, boiling sea mastery to make the gems
--[X] Get Cyberdevils to check markets and research papers to see what kind, including both material and cut, of synthetic gems is the most profitable to make right now, and what known technique, even if normally completely impractible and hard to scale, produces said gems the fastest
--[X] Make an electronically controlled lock for the workshop, slaved to your phone. Have Clippy promise not to let you out until you make 10 carat worth of artificial gems. Have them renew the promise after each batch of gems until you get enough gems.
--[X] Contact Lydia to ask if her father or lawyer can help you with selling perfectly legal, if hard to explain synthetic gems
--[X} Stunt: You turn away from the arcane machinery arrayed around you, in which artificial gems form from the glow of nearly empty space, grow in various bubbling vats, are cut into perfect shape with nanometer scale precisions, and fiddle with your phone, careful not to let your wet hair tough the dynamic: "Lydia, hi! How are you? Everything ok after you got home? Sorry to bother you so soon after our last adventure, but does your dad, or maybe his lawyer, know how to find buyers for unusual items, like artificial gems? Also, would you want to go to a police auction with me? I wanted to buy out a demonically possessed car. Don't worry, it's one of my loyal demons."


So, all in. Spend half an hour (at most) setting up CCC. Use every trick in the book to improve the process. Actually check what kind of artificial gems are the most valuable right now, and what technique for making said gems is the fastest. Don't forget to cut the gems. Use our circle mate's background for our profit.

And have black rider use airbags to lower the value of the car.

I really want to see what kind of BS our first all-out crafting would result in. The only thing more broken would be if we were making an environmental protection suit (or a winter coat, which is pretty much the same thing).
 
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We could always ask Marcon for a favor. Expect he would be happy to. Also a circle mate. But in any case it would be worthwhile to see how available the money is. If we could just transfer the money to some new account in Switzerland that is basically no risk. Or if the money is already in Switzerland and we just have to change the contacts.
If we were just asking Marcone for a favor, we wouldnt need to rob the Pathfinders.
Lydia is 15; a minor with presumably a lawyer who is obeying her father's instructions.
Switzerland cooperates with US criminal investigations.

One thing you guys might want to consider is if you go gems is, do you want to try to pass them off as natural gems? Diamonds make good drills, sapphire can be used in glass and rubies are used in laser technology so there is certainly a market for artificial stones. It will take more crafting successes to trick and appraiser into thinking they are natural, on the other hand if you can do it they would be a lot easier to explain if they were natural. There are far more mines people do not want to talk about than industrial gem-making set ups.
www.diamonds.pro

Lab-Grown Diamond Prices & Value Analysis

Here’s what we’ll cover: Overview of Lab-Created Diamonds, Prices of Lab Grown Diamonds, Lab-Created Diamonds Vs. Natural Diamonds Are Lab Grown Diamonds Cheaper Than Natural Diamonds?

Lab grown jewel-quality diamonds apparently go anywhere from ~1600 to ~5k per carat.
And as a struggling Catholic girl, Molly is going to be averse to misrepresentation to sell stuff.
Especially since it isnt necessary, and there are a bunch of gemstones where artificiality doesnt impact their value.

A carat weighs 0.2 grams. Roughly 2200 carats in a pound.

There's a bunch of other jewels to consider.
Turquoise(hydrated aluminium copper phosphate, up to 1k a carat jewel-quality). Pearls(Calcium carbonate. Cultured saltwater pearls apparently go for somewhere in the 60-100 dollar range per gram at the low end). Tanzanite(calcium aluminium hydroxyl sorosilicate, 700 dollar/carat for top shelf stones)

Specifically, tanzanite has never been made in a laboratory, and is only mined in Tanzania. Synthesize some and noone is going to ask if its synthetic, just how you got it. And at around $750 per carat for multi-carat AAA+ gemstones, you could synthesize a kilogram, sell at a 70% discount and still make more than a million dollars in gemstones before taxes.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Tanzanite - Wikipedia


Or just make pearls, where the market is dominated by cultured pearls, most pearls are expected to be cultured, and the emphasis is on the quality of the pearls, not how they were made. An 18mm diameter round black pearl is an 18mm round black pearl, no matter how it was made.

Frankly, Molly is probably best served making a selection and seeing what sells.
The issue is likely to be how much money any buyer has at hand; there's good odds theypd only be able to come up with part of thr price at a days notice.
It should be noted that not all wizards are Harry, some of them to know water magic which is linked to entropy which is as you might imagine harder to disrupt with water. That said the fact that you can indeed walk on running water would be quite problematic for some wizards.

As fir dragging them underwater... you could just hit them with your sword of nuclear hellfire. The thing literally does aggravated damage, which is to say damage that even at one would will kill a normal mortal. Now wizards are not quite that fragile thanks to their perfect healing over time, but that is a hell of a long time. In any kind of short term though if you can grab them to pull them under the water odds are you can deliver a sword to the face to any enemy wizard and that is generally much worse than droning.
Frankly, the most dangerous charms to wizards are Mind Hand Manipulation and Sinner Boiling Stare.

Sinner Boiling Stare can straight up kill them if they are in line of sight, unless they dont count as mortals.
And MHM can just disarm them. Break their staff or blasting rod at range, trip them when they are running, push them into the water, off the roof or into moving traffic. Or just pick up something heavy and bludgeon them with it.
You are buying a luxury car that costs 44K dollars brand new, you need more like a couple tens of thousands of dolars, maybe more depending on if there are any Mercedes enthusiasts at the auction
Correction:
A hundred thousand plus brand new, and it cant be more than a year old, and in mint condition.
Its not going for less than 50 grand.
 
If we were just asking Marcone for a favor, we wouldnt need to rob the Pathfinders.
Lydia is 15; a minor with presumably a lawyer who is obeying her father's instructions.
Switzerland cooperates with US criminal investigations.


www.diamonds.pro

Lab-Grown Diamond Prices & Value Analysis

Here’s what we’ll cover: Overview of Lab-Created Diamonds, Prices of Lab Grown Diamonds, Lab-Created Diamonds Vs. Natural Diamonds Are Lab Grown Diamonds Cheaper Than Natural Diamonds?

Lab grown jewel-quality diamonds apparently go anywhere from ~1600 to ~5k per carat.
And as a struggling Catholic girl, Molly is going to be averse to misrepresentation to sell stuff.
Especially since it isnt necessary, and there are a bunch of gemstones where artificiality doesnt impact their value.

A carat weighs 0.2 grams. Roughly 2200 carats in a pound.

There's a bunch of other jewels to consider.
Turquoise(hydrated aluminium copper phosphate, up to 1k a carat jewel-quality). Pearls(Calcium carbonate. Cultured saltwater pearls apparently go for somewhere in the 60-100 dollar range per gram at the low end). Tanzanite(calcium aluminium hydroxyl sorosilicate, 700 dollar/carat for top shelf stones)

Specifically, tanzanite has never been made in a laboratory, and is only mined in Tanzania. Synthesize some and noone is going to ask if its synthetic, just how you got it. And at around $750 per carat for multi-carat AAA+ gemstones, you could synthesize a kilogram, sell at a 70% discount and still make more than a million dollars in gemstones before taxes.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Tanzanite - Wikipedia


Or just make pearls, where the market is dominated by cultured pearls, most pearls are expected to be cultured, and the emphasis is on the quality of the pearls, not how they were made. An 18mm diameter round black pearl is an 18mm round black pearl, no matter how it was made.

Frankly, Molly is probably best served making a selection and seeing what sells.
The issue is likely to be how much money any buyer has at hand; there's good odds theypd only be able to come up with part of thr price at a days notice.

Frankly, the most dangerous charms to wizards are Mind Hand Manipulation and Sinner Boiling Stare.

Sinner Boiling Stare can straight up kill them if they are in line of sight, unless they dont count as mortals.
And MHM can just disarm them. Break their staff or blasting rod at range, trip them when they are running, push them into the water, off the roof or into moving traffic. Or just pick up something heavy and bludgeon them with it.

Correction:
A hundred thousand plus brand new, and it cant be more than a year old, and in mint condition.
Its not going for less than 50 grand.

On the matter of Molly's morals and selling something as natural when it is not, I think she would do it without much trouble since it;s not like she's going to admit she made it with magic hell powers so she would be lying in both cases. Also if the stones she produces are indistinguishable from natural ones it's not like the person who got it would have any chance to know the difference, this is not like say art where there is real uniqueness.
 
On the matter of Molly's morals and selling something as natural when it is not, I think she would do it without much trouble since it;s not like she's going to admit she made it with magic hell powers so she would be lying in both cases. Also if the stones she produces are indistinguishable from natural ones it's not like the person who got it would have any chance to know the difference, this is not like say art where there is real uniqueness.
Can we make stones indistinguishable from natural? Normally the tell for synthetic stones is that the bubbles inside them are too round. Natural stones take so long to form that the tiny gas bubbles in them deform into oblongs. Synthetic stones are formed quickly enough that the tiny bubbles are still spheres. If we can just straight up make stones that look like they formed over 10K years then cool. Otherwise we would get found out if someone actually looked at the gems under a microscope.
 
Can we make stones indistinguishable from natural? Normally the tell for synthetic stones is that the bubbles inside them are too round. Natural stones take so long to form that the tiny gas bubbles in them deform into oblongs. Synthetic stones are formed quickly enough that the tiny bubbles are still spheres. If we can just straight up make stones that look like they formed over 10K years then cool. Otherwise we would get found out if someone actually looked at the gems under a microscope.

If you roll enough successes, inhumanly high numbers of successes using the hell tools made out of your soul, you can manipulate the stones at a fine enough level to do it yeah.
 
How long would it take to actually craft artifical gem with our charms?
5 to 10 times faster than normally available mundanely at the best mundane labs / conditions. How fast that is, is a good question. I hope to increase the value with good gem cuts and with perfect post-synthesis treatment. Maybe we should also set them into some jewelry?
Frankly, Molly is probably best served making a selection and seeing what sells.
Or have our minions do market research.
On the matter of Molly's morals and selling something as natural when it is not, I think she would do it without much trouble since it;s not like she's going to admit she made it with magic hell powers so she would be lying in both cases. Also if the stones she produces are indistinguishable from natural ones it's not like the person who got it would have any chance to know the difference, this is not like say art where there is real uniqueness.
There's a difference between concealing "how were this artificial gems made" and "these gems are artificial", I think. Plus, if the gems are sold as artificial, it's easier to sell them - we don't need to fake provenance and explain how we got them. "We made them using our undisclosed method" is an entirely valid and sufficient explanation.
 
Really convincing-looking gems
If we roll enough sux, then we absolutely could.

We are rolling... IIRC, Dex+Craft?

So, 7xx=14, +2 if there is a stunt, another +2 if someone could figure out how to cool the crafting room to the sub-zero state. Difficulty adjustment -4 with CCC cheese and BSM.

Yeah, we probably could manage exactly than on a decent roll.
 
On the matter of Molly's morals and selling something as natural when it is not, I think she would do it without much trouble since it;s not like she's going to admit she made it with magic hell powers so she would be lying in both cases. Also if the stones she produces are indistinguishable from natural ones it's not like the person who got it would have any chance to know the difference, this is not like say art where there is real uniqueness.
Fair enough.
I would just make a kilogram of tanzanite and everyone will assume we either smuggled it out of Tanzania or found a small site we're hiding from everyone. :V

Or even better, pearls are expected to be cultivated, and are just exotically shaped calcium carbonate.
I grew the pearls in shellfish using my undisclosed secret method is something that holds up to even federal scrutiny.
 
If you roll enough successes, inhumanly high numbers of successes using the hell tools made out of your soul, you can manipulate the stones at a fine enough level to do it yeah.
Could we use Sinner Boiling Stare - angry staring deals damage charm - to merely inflict pain or great discomfort instead of actually killing the targets? Or it is all or nothing?
 
We are rolling... IIRC, Dex+Craft?
Wouldn't that be Subterfuge then? When making them look "natural"
everyone will assume we either smuggled it out of Tanzania
Which is exactly the problem, I feel.
I would just make a kilogram of tanzanite
Can we even do that? TTC allows us to do things faster than normally possible. But tanzanite isn't possible to synthesize normally, science can't do it. I'm not sure we could do it using TTC then.
 
Could we use Sinner Boiling Stare - angry staring deals damage charm - to merely inflict pain or great discomfort instead of actually killing the targets? Or it is all or nothing?

That is not really adjustable, it kills people unless you are some kind of supernatural (and yes wizards count) in which case you can avoid it.

Fair enough.
I would just make a kilogram of tanzanite and everyone will assume we either smuggled it out of Tanzania or found a small site we're hiding from everyone. :V

Or even better, pearls are expected to be cultivated, and are just exotically shaped calcium carbonate.
I grew the pearls in shellfish using my undisclosed secret method is something that holds up to even federal scrutiny.

The thing is is tanzanite has never been made in the lab then you cannot make it, the limits of the crafting charm are explitictely the limits of mundane technology with an added speed boost

Edit: Sidereal'd by @Yog
 
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Ok, so, cost estimates and how fast we can do it. Here is the page with some numbers. Not sure about the date at which is was written or accuracy, but ballparking probably works. Here is the sale site. Lab grown diamond goes for 6k at 3.42 ct. The most jewelry goes for 20k apiece. I think that's a reasonable ballpark. So, we need to make about 10 of those to completely guarantee being able to buy the Black Rider. That's reasonable, I feel. We could seriously increase the value by actually making jewelry out of the synthetic gems. But it might make them harder to sell. And we'd need precious metals. @DragonParadox do Carpenters have silverware they are not very attached to?
 
If we roll enough sux, then we absolutely could.

We are rolling... IIRC, Dex+Craft?

So, 7xx=14, +2 if there is a stunt, another +2 if someone could figure out how to cool the crafting room to the sub-zero state. Difficulty adjustment -4 with CCC cheese and BSM.

Yeah, we probably could manage exactly than on a decent roll.
So you are saying we first need to go to a junkyard to get a pile of broken freezers and AC units and build ourself a walk in freezer?
 
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