Would you Distort or manifest EGO?


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...maybe we should throw NT at QB, NT wouldn't need the Gems anymore if it could do it itself, right?
(And try to make sure the Aftermath is Not Our Problem, of course)

Would be a decent card to use in diplomacy if we could get QB to agree with it too
 
NO ABSOLUTELY NOOOTTTTT.

Do not use QB's Wish as leverage to have the abnormalities back down SERIOUSLY IT IS A BAD IDEA.

We can suggest it to NT as a way to make it more human. As a way to lessen its danger level for our kids.

NOT as a way to recruit it. It's seriously bad news if we start using Wishes as some convenient chip token for the abnormalities. That's setting up an extremely horrible example for QB, and he might attempt to ask about some other abnormalities for wishes.

And it might backfire. No, it WILL backfire.

Imagine if some ASSHOLE abnormalities like fucking WHITE NIGHT hijacking the wish system and obtaining UNLIMITED REACH or has an ARMY of mind-controlled MGs.

Or [CENSORED], Melting Love, or any other assholes deciding that abusing the dumb ferret because he thought that Abnormalities all have wishes too is BADDDD.

We need to remember that the Abnormalities have their own agenda in conjunction with whatever task they are doing.

Big Bird still "saves" people. Punishing Bird still "punishes" people. Der Fruity was still going around "hunting" things.

There's essentially NO reason for us to think that they won't abuse the shit out of the wish system and attempt to further their own agendas.
 
No no. I am saying. If we are to recruit NT, we can suggest wishing as a way to be more human AFTERWARD to replace the gems.

What Kalibius suggested was to use WISHING as a way to recruit NT. That's a horrible idea because it set the precedent that abnormalities can be "tamed" if you give them a "wish".
 
I simply said we had our leverage
Not to recruit nothing there but to get him to give the gems
Recruiting is asking for trouble my friend
 
Ah, your version is more limited, while the other is more general.

From QB's end though, it's still offer a Wish (I don't think it can suggest Wishes?) to make Abnos easier to deal with, soooooo
 
It's a bad idea nonetheless. If we DO use the bad idea. We should specify that X will immediately pull QB over and tell him to ABSOLUTELY not do this to any other abnormality without asking us first about it.

Emphasize to the dumb ferret that abnormalities are not human. And that they all have the ability to fuck him over harder than his wish contract fuck over little girls.
 
Not unlikely they will directly Wish to demolish the system in some non-ideal manner, although is that something we want to point out? (Given Madoka might also try to do the same thing in the future)
Hey, at least that also means that QB will not let Madoka wish. Win-win for us.

And yes. We should point it out because the abnormalities will all demolish the system in a way that is BAD for everyone else.

They aren't human. And they don't want to be. Outside of one or two weird exceptions. All of them will destroy the system in a way that will fit their nature.

For example, something like MoSB would wish to destroy the system by literally wishing that everyone on earth is a corpse.

Edit: This will lessen the chances of further contact between him and abnormalities. Currently, given that he still asks X for a contract, he probably would attempt to ask some of the nicer abnormalities like galaxy kid, Lateatia, and Matchstick Girl who would (though it's questionable for the latter) accept it since they all have the mind of children.

If we nip the bud and inform him that all abnos are dangerous when combined with wish magic and can harm the system greatly, he will avoid even those 3.
 
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Hm, in a vacuum I would like to propose this line of diplomacy with NT:
1a: NT can't stay here forever, not because we'll force it to leave, but because the being that allowed you to come here will want you back eventually
1b: Thanks for your assistance with the other MGs
2: However, you can't bring those MGs with you when you leave (mention that the Sapling cannot be interacted with by non-Abnormalities, so it's likely you'll be forced to give up the Shell later)
3: Instead, how about you become an MG yourself, and Wish to be human? It is unlikely you will become a Witch like the others so long as you are careful, since you don't need the Magic like they do / you can clear Grief somehow
By doing this you can likely bring this change back later, as you yourself have changed
4: Ask NT to slowly release the Gems, as we can make sure they don't get in our way or become Witches, so long as you release them and give us time to deal with things, we'd be sad if they died just like that

Any suggestions or ways this could go wrong?
Like really, this feels like playing poker with no cards:
Looking at chips to play on our side of things for diplomacy, there's Nothing There, and attempting to fight, there's also Nothing There
 
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Mostly what witch born of nothing there would be like
It would arguably be a light born witch but considering nothing thers nature
Could wind up like the witch puella or isabeau

Ps an idle musing but if any of your are familiar with projection quest over on spacebattles, what do you think a person with the projection as an ego be like
 
Hm, in a vacuum I would like to propose this line of diplomacy with NT:
1a: NT can't stay here forever, not because we'll force it to leave, but because the being that allowed you to come here will want you back eventually
1b: Thanks for your assistance with the other MGs
2: However, you can't bring those MGs with you when you leave (mention that the Sapling cannot be interacted with by non-Abnormalities, so it's likely you'll be forced to give up the Shell later)
3: Instead, how about you become an MG yourself, and Wish to be human? It is unlikely you will become a Witch like the others so long as you are careful, since you don't need the Magic like they do.
By doing this you can likely bring this change back later, as you yourself have changed
4: Ask NT to slowly release the Gems, as we can make sure they don't get in our way or become Witches, so long as you release them and give us time to deal with things

Any suggestions or ways this could go wrong?
For one thing. The Adult could crash into the negotiation table with an army of (fake) distortions and nuke everyone with a spell.

But since this is in a vacuum working with ONLY the information we have and not the things that we don't know that we don't know about, and the things that we KNOW we don't know about, and the things that we aren't sure about.

Sure. I think NT would be pretty receptive to it. And also, QB would be too since NT has been basically holding the MGs energy away from his quest to save the universe.
 
Mostly what witch born of nothing there would be like
Something Everywhere? :V
Based on my nonexistent understanding of Witches and Irony though, it might end up like [CENSORED] in that case (something distinctly nonhuman that inspires terror)
Beyond the name of Projection though, reading the relevant quest's Informationals doesn't really give me an idea of how it's like, so I'll pass on the EGO question you have
 
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To give a barebones explanation
Imagine the protagonist is super power is basically a teacher that teaches him various skills and imparts various gifts, the kicker is that the mimicks a person from another story example they mimick say kenpaki zaraki from bleach like projection quests very first, the gimmick though is that each 'teacher' can only exists as long as the 'budget' of energy for them lasts and once you hit zero on to the next teacher, you can control where the teachers are from but not who they are for the most part

How do you think someone with that would fare in the city
 
As far as biggatons is concerned, definitely nowhere near the top; and does have the risk of drawing too much attention via outside-context-powers...
Probably depends on how fast the person clues on to the City's nature, if it's fast enough they do have a decent chance of eking out a reasonable QoL
I don't believe they'll be able to go far though, won't be able to fully empathize or understand with the inhabitants due to the nature of the teachers being *free* and *mostly loyal*


EGO... It's not happening, not enough (survivable) challenges for that, and I still can't say what the EGO form of this power would be
 
I meant the power being the ego in question, mayhaps the person in question is a seeker of knowledge but I digress
How do you think X would react to it
 
I'll get everything sorted and the next chapter will be up soon.

At least we are going to explicitly do prepwork on the witch bomb, that's good.

Kuybey: "What is your wish?"

Nothing There: "I wish I was human!"

Problems with this and all the proposition that comes from it:

-NT is extremely antagonistic towards Kyubey and kills it's bodies as soon as they enter her senses range, which is quite large, we'd have to convince NT to let the little bunny satan approach in the first place and I don't want to, because it's a good attitude.

-For those not convinced by that, Kazumi magica's ending points out a very, very important little wrench in that plan: wishing to be human is a null wish, when Kazumi does so, Kyubey immediately points out that it won't work because she will immediately turn into a MG, and as such, not be human anymore. Since he would almost certainly react the same to NT wishing to be human, and NT won't have the reasoning kazumi had to wish for it anyway, that wish's not happening.

To give a barebones explanation

You're describing projection quest's power, right?

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Nevermind my question to Kalibrius, I am a moron who didn't read his last post enough, don't mind me.
 
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1.6.3 - Not Meant To Know
Chapter 66 - Not Meant To Know

"Seems like the rest of our guests are here." you mutter as you sit up from the table. "I'll go get them."

You can hear Mami getting up behind you as you make your way to the door, nearly muffled by the argument outside slowly increasing in volume.

"-ld words for someone who's been a Magical Girl for barely a few days!"

"I've met real Magical Girls. You don't hold a candle to either of them."

"Wanna test that theory?"

As amusing as it would be to let this argument continue, you should probably stop it from escalating. Wouldn't want a brawl at your front door, after all.

"Something the matter?" You open the door to Sayaka and Kyoko, both in full Magical Girl regalia, glaring at one another with their faces barely a hand's width apart. Neither have drawn their weapons yet, but they might have actually gotten to that point if you hadn't intervened.

"This crazy girl showed up here!" Sayaka yells. "She says she knows Mami, but she's got to be lying!"

"Actually, that's true." says Mami, stepping up behind you for the second time today. "This is Sakura Kyoko, a very old friend of mine."

"What? No way!" Sayaka squawks indignantly. Beside her, Kyoko smiles with a level of smugness you thought was reserved for Arbiters. "But she's so rude!"

Rather than be offended, an amused smile crosses Mami's face. "Perhaps, but though she can be belligerent at times Kyoko is a reliable partner. We fought together back when I was still a relatively new Magical Girl."

As Sayaka pouts, Kyoko addresses you. "So, you said you've got something important to talk about? Did you find out what that thing we fought earlier was?"

"Come inside, I'll explain everything once everybody's ready. Plus, we've got cake."

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"Everyone, this is Sakura Kyoko. She's a fellow Magical Girl and a good friend of mine." Mami says as the four of you return to the living room. Homura is staring at Madoka, who was shifting uncomfortably in her seat before you entered.

"Hi! My name is Kaname Madoka, I'm very glad to meet you."

"Akemi Homura."

The two introduce themselves, one far more enthusiastic than the other. Yuma isn't paying attention at all, instead starting on a third slice of cake.

"And this is Yuma," you indicate to the greenette. "my youngest daughter. She won't be having any more cake, since she's on her third slice already." you add. Yuma freezes mid-bite, a look of guilt gradually creeping onto her face.

"You're not in trouble, just don't eat any more. You'll make yourself sick if you have too much sugar." you say with a sigh. Honestly, some things never change. It always falls to you to stop people from making poor choices. At least it's only cake this time.

"Wait, why've you got civilians here? I thought this was about some Magical Girl business." Kyoko asks. Homura seems slightly frustrated by the question, more than you expected considering it's one she raised herself only last night. Maybe it's just because she already knows the answer? You know she'd prefer if this were just a matter for Magical Girls, although even then that would probably still include Madoka. Her level of Karmic Potential means she'll be a part of that world no matter what.

"It is to an extent, but there's more to it than that. Sit down, this'll be a long conversation."

You return to your original seat at the head of the table with Mami at your side. Sayaka moves to sit down as well, stopping only to shoot Homura a skeptical glare before taking a seat at Madoka's other side. Kyoko takes the seat between Mami and Homura, immediately shoving a slice of cake into her mouth.

"This's great! Thanks!" the red-haired girl says between mouthfuls.

"I'm glad to hear it." Mami responds graciously. "X, Yuma and I all prepared it together for all of you."

"Thanks! It all looks delicious." Sayaka says before taking a small cake for herself. She's rather enthusiastic in her eating, although much more well-mannered than Kyoko and Yuma.

Everyone is here. You could stall a little more, enjoy the party, but there's no reason for it. You called everyone here with a purpose, and now it's time for that purpose to be fulfilled. Time to tear dow the veil of secrecy, one word at a time.

"So, now that everybody's arrived, here's a question for you all. How much do you know about the concept of alternate universes?"

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"In another world, a crueler and harsher one, there existed a special technology. Well, there were a lot of special technologies back there, but we're focusing on this one in particular. They called it Cogito. The idea behind it was to transform an idea or a concept into reality. You can think of it a lot like how Kyubey's Contracts give you Magic depending on what you wish for. Kyubey can make desires into truth, and Cogito was able to make ideas real. In theory, it sounds wonderful."

Nobody dares speak but you. It seems as though the second you began telling your story, the warmth vanished from Mami's small apartment. Clouds have drifted over the sun, turning a bright noon into a dreary, ominous one. Even Yuma has ceased staring longingly at the remaining confections, waiting eagerly for you to continue.

"Ideas don't just exist naturally. They come from people. So if you wanted to turn an idea into reality, you need to have a person first. Barring a few exceptions, people don't survive this process. At least, not recognizably. In exchange, an Abnormality is extracted from the person's consciousness."

Abnormalities. The mention of them sends a ripple of uneasiness through the assembled group. The sole exception is Kyoko, who remains intently focused on your words. The others have all been touched, in one way or another, by an Abnormality's influence. They know that these creatures are a threat.

"Abnormalities are living concepts. That means that they can have all sorts of esoteric powers. Whatever idea they represent, an Abnormality will have powers that tie into that idea somehow. While these abilities differ from one Abnormality to the next, there are a few constants. First off, they're basically all harmful to everyone around them. Barring one, maybe two exceptions, even the ones that act like or believe that they're benevolent only hurt people around them." As you speak, Mami gives you a look of pity. She rests a hand on yours, and you turn to give her the most reassuring smile you can manage. She returns the smile and squeezes your hand before returning to her tea.

"All the Birds wanted to help people, but they ended up hurting them anyways, right?" Yuma chimes in. Recognition flashes in Homura's eyes, and for a moment you can see her sifting through the memories of her encounter with the Black Forest's Guardian.

"That's right, Yuma." you affirm. "Always keep your guard up, even around Abnormalities that look harmless. The same should go for Witches as well, but any of the veteran Magical Girls here could've told you that already."

"Second, Abnormalities can't die. No matter how much damage you do, how thoroughly you destroy one, it'll always get up again. They don't usually get tired either, at least in the long term."

"But we defeated the bird Abnormality only last night." Homura interrupts. "Is it similar to a Witch, where it is forced into an inactive state when it takes too much damage?"

"Sort of." you respond noncommittally. "Abnormalities normally would just get up on the spot. At the moment, though, it seems like whatever force sent them here doesn't want them to stay. If an Abnormality is defeated or willingly accepts it, it'll be banished."

"Cool," Kyoko chimes in. "So if we see an Abnormality, just bash its head in 'till it disappears? I can do that." Mami shoots her a disapproving glare, and she recedes back to her seat with barely a hint of shame.

"It's not quite that simple. As I mentioned before, Abnormalities are concepts embodied. They can control minds, instantly kill people when certain conditions are fulfilled, reflect attacks, or even just be practically impervious to harm. Madoka," you say, calling to attention the pink-haired girl slowly being filled with anxiety. She jolts back to focus as you toss a small book to her, which she barely catches after a few seconds of fumbling in the air.

"That there is a book with as much information about Abnormalities as I could transcribe. Since you're not able to go into combat, I'll be counting on you to play mission control for the others if I'm not available." Madoka stares at the booklet in her hands. With all attention in the room drawn in the schoolgirl's direction, she suddenly seems much smaller. She stares down at the notebook in her hands and everything it represents, uncertainty clear in her face. For a moment you think she might say no, but that moment passes as soon as it comes. Madoka looks up at you, a new resolve alighting from within.

"I won't let you down, X!"

"Hell yeah you won't!" Sayaka chimes in. "Don't worry, you're gonna do great."

"I'm sure you will, Madoka. We all have confidence in your abilities." Mami adds with a warm smile.

"I think it's decided then. Regardless, there is another reason I thought you needed to know about Abnormalities. I…" The words are stuck in your throat. Your voice trails off into a sigh. Mami and Yuma, as if sensing your distress, sidle closer and lean into you ever so slightly. Another breath, and you ready yourself. Just get it out and deal with what people think later. After everything else you've accomplished, you can do this much.

"I am an Abnormality."

There is no immediate effect. Homura tenses slightly, glancing over to Madoka beside her before settling again. Of course, she's assessing if you're a threat or not. Madoka herself radiates distress, an expression of mixed horror and pity on her face. It's kind of her, really, but you aren't the victim here. There aren't any yet, and you can only hope it'll stay that way. To her side, Sayaka stares at you, uncomprehending. Kyoko barely reacts, looking over at Mami as if to measure her response. An uneasy quiet settles over the table, the girls all glancing between one another, waiting for somebody to make the first move.

Kyoko breaks the silence. "Neat. Is that where all your weapons come from? 'Cause I know you said they aren't magic."

"Is that really all you have to ask?"

"What?" Kyoko seems legitimately surprised. "You haven't killed anyone so far. Mami seems to trust you, so that's good enough for me. Did you expect us to be freaked out or scared of you or something like that?"

To the surprise of everyone present, yourself included, it's Homura who speaks next. "You have already done more good than you know. Whatever your true nature, your presence in Mitakihara has been overwhelmingly beneficial."

"Yeah! It's just like Kyoko and the transfer student said," Sayaka affirms. "You're definitely a hero. So what if you're 'supposed to be' a monster? You aren't, and that's what matters."

That…

…wasn't- isn't-


You really should've expected this. Mami and Yuma did tell you, after all.

Your eldest daughter reaches up to place a hand on your shoulder. "It's just as I said to you before, X. The only person here who doubts you is yourself."

You sit back in your chair. You hadn't even realized you were leaning forward. It had been a bad habit, trying to get a better look at the screen when you felt the facility was going out of control. "Yeah, you're all probably right." you admit. "Still, you can't say I'm completely harmless. You remember the ID Cards?"

Sayaka and Homura both draw their EGO Gifts up from nowhere, presenting the emblem of Lobotomy Corporation clearly alongside their portraits and information.

"You made those… because you're an Abnormality?" Madoka asks.

"EGO Gifts are a phenomenon that occurs when a person fulfills certain conditions with an Abnormality. Usually affection, but not always. It's basically a little bit of the Abnormality's personality made into an item. Ordinarily they'd make whoever carried them stronger, but without the proper mental protection just carrying them around will do things to your mind."

"Mental protection…" Sayaka mumbles. "Can I get that somehow? I know you said these things are dangerous, but… it's a gift. I'd just feel wrong to throw it away or get rid of it. Plus, you said it'd make me stronger?"

"It's possible for me to apply the necessary protections," you admit reluctantly, "but that requires me to use one of my abilities as an Abnormality. It'll basically be magic brain surgery. Are you really comfortable with that?"

"You've done it before," Homura jumps in, solemn as ever. "When you cleansed my Soul Gem, correct?"

"That's right. Grief is psychological in nature, so it's within my bounds to remove. Although that reminds me, the process requires observing your entire 'self'. People might see your memories or feelings while it's happening. Are you really still sure about this?"

"I would prefer to have the operation done in private." Homura says. "There are some memories I would prefer remain unobserved."

"Well, I don't have anything to hide." Sayaka retorts. "I'd rather get this over with sooner than risk getting hurt because I couldn't swallow my pride. You can start whenever you want."

You almost choke. "Wait, you want me to operate right now? In front of everyone?" Sayaka shrugs.

"Why not? Like I said, I've got nothing to be ashamed of." You can hear the uncertainty in her words, though there is a resolute quality to them as well.

Sayaka's Operation
[] (Operation) Right now
[] (Operation) Suggest later

Soul Gems
[] (Soul Gems) The Truth
[] (Soul Gems) Another Time


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Big Bird's Sapling - Observation Level 2/3
Der Freischütz's Sapling - Observation Level 2/3
Porccubus' Sapling - Observation Level 2/3
Punishing Bird's Sapling - Observation Level 1/2

So very close to the end of the beginning. Are you excited?

I wrote this instead of sleeping. Apologies for any errors. I'll go back over this chapter tomorrow morning.
 
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Ehhhh.....

Well damn.

I guess the universe really wants to delay the soul gems truth.

I would go for Sayaka right now. Since that would give them a showcase of our own power and how they can trust us more.

But I will wait a bit for more opinions.
 
[X] (Operation) Right now

I don't mind doing it right now but...

[X] (Soul Gems) Another Time
This should be put on hold as long as possible till Mami is ready enough not to freak out and try to kill magical girls... Well we could tie her up and get her to calm down enough but even so I'm not too sure about that.

Maybe but for now let's just keep this it quiet about this. The Price of silence will come to haunt us for this but it is a necessary thing. :p
 
Sayaka is brave about it. But I kinda don't want to do this.

However, it is a REALLY good showcase, since so far, none of them have seen what it's like when we are using Lobotomy on them.

Another thing is the Soul Gems. No idea whether this is the FULL BALLISTIC MISSILE PACKAGE with the Witch and the Lich all at once. Or just the Lich Truth.
But I am unwilling to risk it.
[X] (Operation) Right now
[X] (Soul Gems) Another Time
 
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