Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Are you sure you want to trigger the crown with your anima flaring in full sight of Mab? Harry was not able to sense anything when it triggered, but Mab might have better senses.
Just a quick question - is there any ice forming due to Mab's aura? If yes, would we be able to use that ice as a focus for the question of "what does the one who made this ice know about our exaltation?".
 
Mab doesn't have perfect defenses and White Council doesn't have spirit killing charms allowing them to kill immortals. Exalted have both. That's why they are an OCP grenade thrown into the setting. While I wouldn't bet on a dragonblooded (unless it's Scarlet Empress or someone similar) against Mab, an elder exalt would absolutely smash her face in in personal combat.
In the Dresdenverse, Tunguska was Ebenezer killing a Dragon.
At least, that was the last description we're given in Blood Rites; Butcher might change his mind later.
So the whole idea doesnt seem likely.

None of this shit is new to the Dresdenverse anyway.
Papa Raith had a perfect defense against magic attack, which is why Ebenezer was unable to have him murdered after he killed Maggie LeFay. Nicodemus has the Noose as a perfect defense against physical harm.

In this quest, Kattrin had a perfect soak of some sort to rewind the damage we did.

Perfect defenses just have loopholes. If you know them, or luck into them, you can go around them.
In Kattrin's case, it seems a defense based around Fate doesnt really work against an Exalt outside Fate.
Or she didnt have the mojo to use it multiple times.

I would bet a ExWoD E5 Exalt would get splattered all across the arena against Mab in open combat.
And frankly, I would bet on Mab against the Ex2E elder exalt up to at least E7 E8/E9.
 
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Only if you snap a photo of her shoes or something, you need a thing to focus on
While it would be hilarious for Molly to pull her cellphone and try to take a selfie with the Queen of Air and Darkness, something tells me it wouldnt be appropriate :V

So what about stunting her footsteps/footprints then.
There's ectoplasm all over the floor, and we know precisely where she's standing/has stood.
Using the footprints or the ground location should work. Hopefully.


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[X] Yes, you will call on Mab and listen to what she has to say
-[X]After Mab leaves? Crown of Eyes to ask what Mab knows about our exaltation. Arcane focus: footprints in ectoplasm, precise location(s) where she was standing.
 
Mab shrugged off the Eye of Balor in Battlegrounds.
Damn right she has perfect defenses.

Unlikely, not even Uriel has a perfect defense which would allow him to tank it, let alone Mab. Jim's response to how Uriel deals with it being shot at him is essentially getting out of the way or redirecting the energies which can be considered parrying. At least from what I can understand about it.
 
Unlikely, not even Uriel has a perfect defense which would allow him to tank it, let alone Mab. Jim's response to how Uriel deals with it being shot at him is essentially getting out of the way or redirecting the energies which can be considered parrying. At least from what I can understand about it.
A perfect dodge or parry is still a perfect defence.
You don't have to soak it.
 
My perspective on Mab (when I'm not screwing around) is pretty simple.

We clearly have her interest, and once you've gained that it's functionally impossible to avoid her attention unless you're willing to devote your entire life to running.

So until we're able to negotiate as something resembling an equal I'd much prefer it if she kept using the carrot rather than the stick. The way we do that is we make a point of responding positively to the carrot and pushing back against sticks. Which in this case means taking the bait and agreeing to call her up later.

And at the end of the day, of all the beings to take an interest in us we could do a lot worse than Mab. She's cruel, evil, and heartless, yes. But she's also explicitly entrusted with ensuring that Creation remains whole.
 
Unlikely, not even Uriel has a perfect defense which would allow him to tank it, let alone Mab. Jim's response to how Uriel deals with it being shot at him is essentially getting out of the way or redirecting the energies which can be considered parrying. At least from what I can understand about it.
What Artemis said.
Uriel has the equivalent of a surprise negator, a perfect parry and a perfect dodge.
 
Mab didn't seem to notice the name of a Neverborn written on the floor, I think
As an aside, we should make a point of obliterating that entire ritual space as soon as we can. Then follow up with cleaning anything informative out of the sub.

The Daedalus goons (Daed men? We need to workshop an insulting nickname for them with Dresden) are going to have access to the site, and I don't think any of us want them poking a damn neverborn.
 
In the Dresdenverse, Tunguska was Ebenezer killing a Dragon.
At least, that was the last description we're given in Blood Rites; Butcher might change his mind later.
So the whole idea doesnt seem likely.

None of this shit is new to the Dresdenverse anyway.
Papa Raith had a perfect defense against magic attack, which is why Ebenezer was unable to have him murdered after he killed Maggie LeFay. Nicodemus has the Noose as a perfect defense against physical harm.

In this quest, Kattrin had a perfect soak of some sort to rewind the damage we did.

Perfect defenses just have loopholes. If you know them, or luck into them, you can go around them.
In Kattrin's case, it seems a defense based around Fate doesnt really work against an Exalt outside Fate.
Or she didnt have the mojo to use it multiple times.

I would bet a ExWoD E5 Exalt would get splattered all across the arena against Mab in open combat.
And frankly, I would bet on Mab against the Ex2E elder exalt up to at least E7 E8/E9.
That a simple asteroid drop could kill a capital D Dragon demonstrates that perfects are at the very least rare in Dresdenverse.

And E8/E9? Really? E5 was the highest essence level at which exalted host overthrew Primordials at their height. E7 and above are squarely in the "height of solar glory" range. Shinmaic communion and calibration, ie "edit the universal laws" charms are E7. If I recall correctly, Salinan working was E7.

No, you, in my opinion, very much overestimate Mab.

At E5 and with prep we should be able to fight her. Because yes, we are alone. But E5 exalted host acting together should be able to kick White God's teeth in and take his money. That's what they were made for.
 
That a simple asteroid drop could kill a capital D Dragon demonstrates that perfects are at the very least rare in Dresdenverse.
I think it was a dragon, not a Dragon. The latter can't manifest in the real world without breaking physics, so I doubt one actually showed up.

We also know their were only five of the capital D variety. Two died ages ago, two are still alive, and one for offed by Micheal a couple decades ago. There isn't one for Ebenezer to have killed.
 
Previously you wrote that

So, this means that this quest has significant divergence from original timeline already, does not it?
It diverged as soon as Molly came down off the tree.
As an aside, we should make a point of obliterating that entire ritual space as soon as we can. Then follow up with cleaning anything informative out of the sub.

The Daedalus goons (Daed men? We need to workshop an insulting nickname for them with Dresden) are going to have access to the site, and I don't think any of us want them poking a damn neverborn.
That goes without saying.
Between Molly's sword doing aggravated damage and Lydia's ability to distort stone/earth, we should be able to clear that up in a minute or so.

If Gard cant or wont take possession of Holt's body, then the new Eldest Ankou should.
Its in his portfolio to take care of the dead.
And we dont want her body or effects falling into Daedalus Group hands.

Mathew's financial situation is about to improve very quickly I suspect.
That a simple asteroid drop could kill a capital D Dragon demonstrates that perfects are at the very least rare in Dresdenverse.

And E8/E9? Really? E5 was the highest essence level at which exalted host overthrew Primordials at their height. E7 and above are squarely in the "height of solar glory" range. Shinmaic communion and calibration, ie "edit the universal laws" charms are E7. If I recall correctly, Salinan working was E7.

No, you, in my opinion, very much overestimate Mab.
At E5 and with prep we should be able to fight her. Because yes, we are alone. But E5 exalted host acting together should be able to kick White God's teeth in and take his money. That's what they were made for.
It wasnt an asteroid drop.
The implication is that Tunguska is the visible aftermath of whatever happened, and the asteroid story is a coverup.

Key words: Exalted Host. Hundreds of Celestial Exalted, millions of Dragonbloods, tens of millions of Jadeborn and Dragon Kings and other, now extinct races. God knows how many vanilla mortals. All armed to the teeth with top tier gear, and the backing of multiple Incarna and two Primordials. I remain confident that E8ish Exalt fighting solo against a 3CDalike gets clobbered.

I dont speak for the QM, and game fidelity takes priority here. But at E5 I still expect her to splatter us in a one on one.
And this does not appear to be Creation, and the top tier entities here, while restricted, appear to wield way more power than any 3CD or Incarna. I dont think an E5 Host would do very well picking a fight with the White God or his agents.
 
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[X] Write in - "You are not summoned lightly Queen, even when you permit it. I will neither refuse or commit in this moment. I will consider and seek council, then decide."
-[X]After Mab leaves? Crown of Eyes to ask what Mab knows about our exaltation. Arcane focus: footprints in ectoplasm, precise location(s) where she was standing.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Oct 17, 2022 at 7:39 AM, finished with 68 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X] Write in - "You are not summoned lightly Queen, even when you permit it. I will neither refuse or commit in this moment. I will consider and seek council, then decide."
    [X] Yes, you will call on Mab and listen to what she has to say
    [X] Look at Mab's shoes. Ask "what does the wearer of these shoes know of my exaltation". Tell Mab "I will take your offer under advisement."
    [X] Yes, you will call on Mab and listen to what she has to say
    -[X]After Mab leaves? Crown of Eyes to ask what Mab knows about our exaltation. Arcane focus: footprints in ectoplasm, precise location(s) where she was standing.


I like the main vote, but still want the sub vote.

Also, we ' really' need to up Perception, and the cheapest ways are Awareness and Alertness.
 
That goes without saying.
Between Molly's sword doing aggravated damage and Lydia's ability to distort stone/earth, we should be able to clear that up in a minute or so.
I know it's obvious, but it's one of those things that's so important I think it's worth explicitly mentioning anyway, so that it sticks at the front of our to-do list.

On the necromancers, I'm talking about going back into the sub to obliterate the remains of their ritual. At the very least having Dresden fill the thing with fire.

Getting their effects is a good start, but I don't think letting Daedalus study the remains of a broken god eating ritual will lead anywhere we want to go.
 
What Artemis said.
Uriel has the equivalent of a surprise negator, a perfect parry and a perfect dodge.

A perfect dodge or parry is still a perfect defence.
You don't have to soak it.

That is not by what you meant by shrugging off the Eye of Balor Uju. While perfect dodge and parry is viable as noted you specifically were meaning in the context of her shrugging it off by tanking it in an ealier quote before the current one here.

But combatfocused dragonblood? Against the woman who tanked the Eye of Balor, which Butcher describes as a threat to Uriel?

By most usage of the word from what I encountered tanking means taking it to the face such as how a tank soaks damage in an MMO the majority of the time for the party. Which as I noted is specifically impossible to do as attempting to tank it through magic or physical capability is not possible even for Uriel.

Does my disagreement make sense now?
 
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