- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Yes maybe you can make the sleep last less or offer Arawn some means to speak in dreams
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Spot on.
Seriously, I want the muggles to have some sort of parity with the supernatural threats which plague the world of DF, but there just isn't any comparison in actual overall threat or ability.
Sure, muggle weapons can really fuck up most creatures that end up on the wrong end of a powerful enough gun or explosive, and individual engagements can be won through adequate application of superior firepower. Unfortunately, all of the serious supernatural players can use the Nevernever for evasion and travel purposes, making it impossible to target their forces unless you catch them by surprise or in positions from which easy retreat is not possible. In a real fight with any such faction, there is no such thing as borders, defensive lines, green zones, etc., beyond hiding in a home and hoping for the best.
The members of most large supernatural factions can also disguise themselves perfectly among the muggle populace, render themselves invisible, perform mindfuckery which basically simulates invisibility, or some combination of all three options. There is also the use of mind control, veils, magic of one variety or another, etc. And this completely ignores the vulnerability of modern technology to magic...
The problem with widescale supernatural vs muggle warfare isn't that the supernatural forces couldn't win, but rather that there is generally no point in fighting to begin with. The supernatural faction doesn't generally get anything out of the exchange, because their hidden wealth, magic, Human traitors and thralls in positions of power, and lack of muggle knowledge means they already control what they want to control and prey on who they want to prey upon.
All a real war would do is tear the blinders from the muggle populace, breaking the "masquerade" and making it more difficult for the supernatural to factions do business outside of the Nevernever.
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No interest in my write in from earlier? It's basic as these things go, but the visuals are nice.
If not, we could use one of Saint Joseph's traditional prayers, though most don't really fit.
The simplest would probably be best
[] Stunt: Molly takes a deep breath, and looks to the part of herself where deep knowledge dwells. "Saint Joseph, patron of departed souls, pray for me. In this moment of tribulation we hope for a light in the dark to follow home. Amen".
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Considering that Arawn had to sign up with Mab because of the spread of Christianity into his homeland and its supplanting of his worshipers' culture and religion, it probably wouldn't be a good idea to invoke any saints at this point, even if with the best of intentions.
Fair enough, I like the stunt I wrote earlier better anyway.
[X] Yes maybe you can make the sleep last less or offer Arawn some means to speak in dreams
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
- Location
- Finland
[X] Yes maybe you can make the sleep last less or offer Arawn some means to speak in dreams
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Yes maybe you can make the sleep last less or offer Arawn some means to speak in dreams
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
Alright, 20 dice of Occult, here we go! How much do you think Harry will react to seeing exactly what Excellencies and Stunts mean in the hands of an Exalt?
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
Alright, 20 dice of Occult, here we go! How much do you think Harry will react to seeing exactly what Excellencies and Stunts mean in the hands of an Exalt?
I'd have defaulted to a prayer in this situation.
This is thematically the exact type of situation where even casually religious people would find it appropriate to whisper a short prayer to whichever deity they were raised to believe in.
IIRC the Eebs had absolutely no trouble burning down Harry's building in Changes.
And Ariana had no problem getting operatives to put explosives around his office.
The Fomor had no issue bringing a chemical weapons bomb into a diplomatic reception either.
Its just that generally supernatural predators are just that: predators, out for a quick or easy target. Not soldiers in a war.
They're picking off one or two people, not conducting a scorched earth military operation.
Change the scenario to a war, and acceptable tactics change.
He was a Welsh god of death back in a time when it seemed every tribe and village had its own pantheon. He'll get over it.
And I suspect he'd frankly be too glad for any help to quibble; as a minor god he has reason to KNOW that the White God is the final word in Dresdenverse cosmology.
Besides, I dont see why Molly would pray out loud. Or care about his opinion about who she is praying to.
It would be rude if and inapplicable if she was inviting him to pray with her, but personal prayer is none of his business(at least as long as she isnt calling on Outsiders).
A quiet prayer under her breath is between her and whatever deity she's praying to.
And has the minor benefit of bamboozling anyone who sees her doing it while flaring like an archdevil.
Ok, I can't find it, and I might be misremembering. I did find that exclusive transportation can be built later, which I might be misremembering gaols for. So, I have to ask. @DragonParadox can gaols trait of our kingdom be built after the kingdom is created, or is it a trait that can only be bought?
Molly's hell is going to mostly be dealing with people Molly wants to see resurrected, I think. Not people she wants to keep in. I mean, unless you expect that Molly is going to start killing her mortal enemies by the hundreds, the most probable use of "send person to your hell when you kill them" effect I envision would be as a last ditch save. Mercy kill someone who is suffering from an incurable condition, be it grievous wounds, or illness, or even age, then bring them back from your hell all the better. Essentially free ally resurrection.
It's literally in the description. The overpopulated hell's ecosystem is not sustainable. And Endless Suffering in this case will, actually, be suffering, since those inside would still want to eat. They'll probably have to resort to stuff like cannibalism and corpse starch. That's not fluff I want.
It doesn't (until and unless you exalt), but there's no reason to shoot yourself in the knee.
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Even if we don't get mass extinctions, and that's kinda implied in the whole "the ecosystem is unsustainable", I don't want to see stuff like corpse starch and "mass industrial cannibalism exploiting the endless suffering perk" as parts of our world's culture.
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- Location
- Brazil
[X] Yes maybe you can make the sleep last less or offer Arawn some means to speak in dreams
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
It would also make the world a lot more dangerous for individual supernatural predators. Sure the Red Court would survive, but how many of the Lords of the Outer Night will end up eating a Fuel-air bomb or something?
- Location
- washington
By the way did you completely write off fielding beyond a strike team when we get our hell realm dp? Cause the power from how it's written kind of looks like it can be used multiple times in not quite quick succession. But enough that you could get an army within like a month.
I do not want to say anything definite now since if I do let you get armies if I do let you get armies that will come with a fundamental change in the nature of the game and thus a meta vote. Basically 'do you want a civ game?'.
- Location
- washington
Well my personal answer is yes. Though it's not like other forces in the never never don't have even larger armies even if the ones who can affect the mortal world have effectively much smaller armies.
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[X] Yes maybe you can make the sleep last less or offer Arawn some means to speak in dreams
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
-[X] Use occult excellency, spending no more than one essence unless needed to avert failure.
-[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly reaches out towards the curious place in her head where her knowledge of the secret powers of the world rests.
-[X] As she turns her attention to Matthews and Arawn, her aura flares. It sharpens without brightening, and pierces without illuminating what it touches. For a moment, something ancient beyond all reckoning and almost painfully young by any measure regards the pair with countless eyes of fire.
-[X] "Okay. Let's get started"
My proposed solutions to that would be narrative.
1)New boss, new Yomi Realm, fixer upper.
Lots of internal work to do building the Realm to spec, no largescale force available for projection outside of Storyteller-mandated options/setpieces.
2)The Outer Gates option: Ongoing, serious border or internal threat that limits the amount of force that can be deployed beyond the Realm and for how long. Maybe its ongoing border skirmishes with covetuous Yama Kings, maybe its the Dangerous Beasts problem, maybe its some other threat.
3)Both
There are other options:
1) Deploying army-level forces in mortal world might count as apocalypse in the spiritual sense, allowing others (Yama Kings, Fallen, Winter and Summer Fae, etc) free access to it. So, yeah, we could do it, but then the game shifts to "suddenly, it's the end times"
2) Mab and / or Uriel / Nicedemius asking us politely, and with incentives not to do this.
2.5) Our hell falling under the same metaphysical restrictions as other yomi hells. There's a reason armies of the damned don't march already.
OK prepare for Infernal shard magical Halping. 
Mooks and minions? Yes.
A Lord of Outer Night? Nah. Morgan had to lure the naagloshii pursuing him into the path of a nuclear weapon to kill it.
And all in all, I think I rate one of the Lords of Outer Night as a deadlier opponent than Shagnasty or his peers.
Nevermind the potential retaliation, in a world where vanillas have no real defense against garden-variety mind control.
Humans arent slaves because
And since the local superpowers have said otherwise, everyone with ambitions has to cool their jets.
Plus, Humanity produces enough creature comforts for the low and middle tier supernatural(see Chicago wyldfae and pizza) that noone of influence really wants to rock the boat or knock the world back to the Stone Age.
Unless you are Ethniu.
My two cents.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I think Molly, upon finding out she's the god-queen of her own realm, would want to be a good ruler, but wouldn't necessarily know how to rule well right away. Off the top of my head, we'd probably want dots in Finance, Law, and Politics, although we already have Leadership for inspiring speeches.
It could be that it starts out with most of the rulership being done by the existing leaders, and then investing more XP in "queen skills" adds more Civ-like elements over time, so that the way to switch over is to vote to invest a limited resource into our realm and ruling it.
Or at least that's my take.
It could be that it starts out with most of the rulership being done by the existing leaders, and then investing more XP in "queen skills" adds more Civ-like elements over time, so that the way to switch over is to vote to invest a limited resource into our realm and ruling it.
Or at least that's my take.
Lords of the Outer Knight are not as tanky as the Nagloshi as far as I can tell, they are not shape-shifting demi-gods with very specific magical weaknesses. Enough fire will kill one of the vampires with delusions of godhood just fine, no need to break the fundamental bonds of matter itself.
We know there's power in belief. Power enough to affect how magic works, as can be seen by the magic bane shifting from curdling milk and warts appearing on one's face to electronics breaking down. We know that mortals have power as can be seen through thresholds. We know that human sacrifice has a lot of power behind it, and I am willing to bet that willing human sacrifice backed by True Faith has even more. We know that modern humanity (in 2006) is five to six time higher than it was a mere century ago.
I think the open conflict of humanity as a whole aware that it is being assaulted by hordes of hell / supernatural predators is dicey enough with enough unknowns that no one wants to risk it. Because at some point techbane might mutate and you suddenly get cult mechanicus, and power armored nuns with holy flamers. Or, once you start counting megadeaths, you get untrained suicide warlocks who use their death curses amped by the energies of millions of their comrades dying to royally f*ck up people like Winter Lady.
All the while Outer Gates still need to be manned.
That's why I wrote "covenant of the empress to be" as I did. So inhabitants of our realm are ready to train us. If we get splintered Gale, we should have at least one clone permanently in our Kingdom training.
EDIT:
Are we using the excellency? Overall, more people voted for it, than not.
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