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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Called it.
I would have been very surprised if a Time mage didnt have a personal enhancement spell along the lines of Haste.
DragonParadox said:
As you pull him away he jerks forward almost pulling you off balance.
"Lydia hold him! We need to get him to..." you never get as far as to say 'Harry' as sudden blinding pain fills your world. Ow.... my head, what the hell!
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Not to give you guff, but this shouldnt have worked with Molly's anima banner up.
Not with Crown of Eyes giving Molly immunity to surprise attack.
She would have gotten an opportunity to apply Parry.

Temporis allows you to stack multiple attacks before restarting time, not to remove the opposition's attempt to defend.
Still, drama. Moving on.

QUESTION
1)What is Holt armed with?
2)Is the Capriocorpus still controlling Mathews? Is she armed, and if so, with what?
3)How far away is Gard from this situation? I want to know if we need to worry about duelling both, or just one?
 
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uju32 said:
Called it.
I would have been very surprised if a Time mage didnt have a personal enhancement spell along the lines of Haste.

Not to give you guff, but this shouldnt have worked with Molly's anima banner up.
Not with Crown of Eyes giving Molly immunity to surprise attack.
She would have gotten an opportunity to apply Parry.

Still, drama. Moving on.
QUESTION
1)What is Holt armed with?
2)Is the Capriocorpus still controlling Mathews? Is she armed, and if so, with what?
3)How far away is Gard from this situation? I want to know if we need to worry about duelling both, or just one?
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Being able to see something and being able to react are not the same thing, a surprise negator does not do anything to celerity and that is what this is, a more limited form of very high level celerity that gives you one free attack.
  1. A heavy pistol and she seems to have a sword as a side arm
  2. No, she's out of the body, though Molly is not sure to what degree he can act
  3. Close enough to get into the fight next turn
 
DragonParadox said:
Being able to see something and being able to react are not the same thing, a surprise negator does not do anything to celerity and that is what this is, a more limited form of very high level celerity that gives you one free attack.
  1. A heavy pistol and she seems to have a sword as a side arm
  2. No, she's out of the body, though Molly is not sure to what degree he can act
  3. Close enough to get into the fight next turn
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Mechanically, it doesnt matter to Exalted. Thats why they are Exalted.
Unless you are preventing them from moving like in a grapple, if they can notice an attack, they can apply an applicable defense.
Regardless of how fast it was.

Thats how they survived fights with entities capable of throwing around the equivalent of death laser attacks in the Primordial War.
But like I said, drama.
Im not out to give you guff over it.

QUESTION
Can we shintai and attack in the same turn?
Im guessing not, but I'd like to confirm.
 
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Okay, so I just checked.
1)Shintai activation takes a turn of concentration, and we still have a turn of Melee Excellency left.
2)Gard enters combat next turn.
3)Harry is in combat with EvilBob.

Writein incoming
 
I will accept the surpire time thing but its bit annoying that we are being effected by a stupid magic spell, really need to get shaping defense i guess. Watch her get shanked in a time stop.
 
I am looking forward to the sudden appearance of Sailor Nuclear Hell Princess.

The various "WTF!?!" reactions from the bystanders should be interesting .
 
uju32 said:
Mechanically, it doesnt matter to Exalted. Thats why they are Exalted.
Unless you are preventing them from moving like in a grapple, if they can notice an attack, they can apply an applicable defense.
Regardless of how fast it was.

Thats how they survived fights with entities capable of throwing around the equivalent of death laser attacks in the Primordial War.
But like I said, drama.
Im not out to give you guff over it.

QUESTION
Can we shintai and attack in the same turn?
Im guessing not, but I'd like to confirm.
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The Crown of Eyes is a sensory power, it does not make you faster to match someone who moves at unnatural speed. The way I see it Katrina getting her one shot is not surprise, it is a perfect attack, because she is moving at speeds that cannot be blocked. You would need a perfect defense to counter it and you would need shaping to keep her from slowing you. You have the tools available, it's just that you have not drawn them yet.

Shintai cannot move on the same turn.
 
@DragonParadox I'm not trying to carry on about this, but I'm confused about how surprise works now.

I don't have the WoD books, so I have to use sketchy online sources. For some stuff I saw the only mechanical effect being that the target can't defend, and in another for Vampire the Masquerade I saw it do that in addition to reducing the difficulty of the attack to 1. Which seems sort of crazy, but maybe I'm missing something about how that works out in practice.

ExWoD doesn't seem to cover this, or at least that I saw in the rules section.

So what exactly does our surprise negator defend us against mechanically? What would the effects have been if our anima wasn't up?

Edit: didn't see the "it was a perfect attack pretending to be a surprise" thing before posting. Whoops.
 
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If an exalted knows about an attack they can parry or dodge. You don't survive enemies that can launch an infinite number of infinity strength attacks if you can't.
 
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Earth-Destroyer said:
If an exalted knows about an attack they can parry or dodge. You don't survive enemies that can launch an infinite number of infinity strength attacks if you can't.
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Evidently it is being mechanically treated as a perfect attack, therefore overcomes all imperfect parrys and dodges. That's fair, as those are in the rules and stopping time to shoot someone in the head would fit that sort of mechanic.

It doesn't matter that you know she is about to do it. The attack happens between moments, so there literally isn't time to dodge or parry. The attack is perfectly accurate.

If we went through the game as the only character with perfect abilities it wouldn't be any fun. Everyone else needs access to fun toys too!
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
The attack happens between moments, so there literally isn't time to dodge or parry. The attack is perfectly accurate.
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One of the reasons I really like Exalted is stuff like this. It feels very fun to be able to say absurd things like this and have them be true in the game world :D

[X] Focus on Capricorpus
- [X] Round two, fight! Leave Gard to tackle her target, we have a possessed father to save.
 
Though I find it absolutely HILLARIOUS that the villain deployed her absolute attack that would leave basically anyone BUT us dead and then had the GALL to call us out on our bullshit when we essentially just shrugged it off.
 
BronzeTongue said:
@DragonParadox I'm not trying to carry on about this, but I'm confused about how surprise works now.

I don't have the WoD books, so I have to use sketchy online sources. For some stuff I saw the only mechanical effect being that the target can't defend, and in another for Vampire the Masquerade I saw it do that in addition to reducing the difficulty of the attack to 1. Which seems sort of crazy, but maybe I'm missing something about how that works out in practice.

ExWoD doesn't seem to cover this, or at least that I saw in the rules section.

So what exactly does our surprise negator defend us against mechanically? What would the effects have been if our anima wasn't up?

Edit: didn't see the "it was a perfect attack pretending to be a surprise" thing before posting. Whoops.
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It is not surprise in the mechanical sense, it is a perfect attack that happens to be fluffed as moving too fast to react. Think of it as Katrina having a charm

Pay X spend Y casting time, get one free attack with a ranged or melee weapon ignoring armor for the purposes of soak

I think of her metaphysical resource as soul points, though why is a bit of a spoiler
 
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So when we go to buy our perfect defense, do we want to pick premium to ensure the only flaw is occasionally dealing with an additional more cost, or go with one of the cheaper options that can theoretically be disrupted if someone knows what they're doing?

Personally I'm biased towards CCI since it can protect against some categories of shaping effects per this:
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Counter-Conceptual interposition is what happens when you start giving reality a stroke, that would work against time powers.
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But presumably it's not a two for one deal, so we'd probably still need the actual shaking defense charm later.
DragonParadox said:
It is not surprise in the mechanical sense, it is a perfect attack that happens to be fluffed as moving too fast to react. Think of it as Katrina having a charm

Pay X spend Y casting time, get one free attack with a ranged or melee weapon ignoring armor for the purposes of soak

I think of her metaphysical resource as soul points, though why is a bit of a spoiler
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That makes sense I suppose. My confusion was based on the idea that she basically teleported behind us then shot, and that you'd said she didn't get a mechanical advantage when the only one surprise grants is the ability to make unopposed attacks.

Which seemed like a contradiction if this was being played as a surprise attack.
 
Acolyte said:
I will accept the surpire time thing but its bit annoying that we are being effected by a stupid magic spell, really need to get shaping defense i guess. Watch her get shanked in a time stop.
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Spell didn't target Molly, so shaping defense wouldn't work.
BronzeTongue said:
So when we go to buy our perfect defense, do we want to pick premium to ensure the only flaw is occasionally dealing with an additional more cost, or go with one of the cheaper options that can theoretically be disrupted if someone knows what they're doing?
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With known flaws, I say at least two perfects.
CCI is good, but doubly expensive
BME and Who Strikes the Wind are cheaper XP wise, and easier to get.
 
I kinda wish we had time to go shintai, but I suppose that's a bit optimistic here...

Next time we need to remember to activate it before the big fight.
 
BronzeTongue said:
That makes sense I suppose. My confusion was based on the idea that she basically teleported behind us then shot, and that you'd said she didn't get a mechanical advantage when the only one surprise grants is the ability to make unopposed attacks.

Which seemed like a contradiction if this was being played as a surprise attack.
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Mechanically a surprise attack would have given the opponent a surprise round while you got your bearings. This was not that, it was shooting you in the space between moments, but that was still Katrina's turn and now it's done and you get yours.
 
DragonParadox said:
The Crown of Eyes is a sensory power, it does not make you faster to match someone who moves at unnatural speed. The way I see it Katrina getting her one shot is not surprise, it is a perfect attack, because she is moving at speeds that cannot be blocked. You would need a perfect defense to counter it and you would need shaping to keep her from slowing you. You have the tools available, it's just that you have not drawn them yet.

Shintai cannot move on the same turn.
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Perfect attack? Okay.

VOTE
[X] Focus on Katrina
-[X]Turn 1: Attack with GSNF + final turn of Melee Excellency, activate Impervious Primacy Mantle : -1 Essence, -1 WP
-[X]Turn 2: Full Defense + Shintai activation: -2 Essence, -2 WP
-[X]Turn 3: Attack + Melee Excellency: -1 Essence
-[X]STUNT: With a wordless roar of fury you charge the redhead, green-white flames flickering along your blade in the physical embodiment of nuclear hatefire. You parry one, two, three shots into the ankle-high water with your shield, and cut a fourth out of the air with a lightning-quick flicker of your blade as you close the range. Your backswing meets a runeblade, green flames on brass clashing with red futharks on steel and coming off better. Your riposte cuts across her upper arm before she leaps back out of range. You reach deeper, further into your power than you ever have. And something responds. And as the world turns white, you whisper "Shin.Tai."

STATUS
Starting status: 8/12 Essence, 8/9 WP
Expenditure: -4 Essence, -3WP
Secret discovery(Kattrin Holt's trump, Capriocorpus hiding in Mathews body): +2 Essence
Ending status: 6/12 Essence, 5/9 WP


REASONING
-Geek the mage. But everyone on the other side is a mage.:V

-Gard is a retired Norse demigoddess psychopomp.
She's a good match against Corpsetaker, who is a ghost necromancer with no special Norse knowledge, and a bad match against Kattrin, who is largely familiar with what she can do, and as a seer could try to keep updated.

So we take Kattrin, who knows nothing about us. We're new, and outside Fate.

-We have 1 more turn of Melee Excellency before we have to burn another Essence.
We should use it before it expires.
Thats Dex 4 + Melee 5 + Excellency 9 + Stunt 2 = 20 dice pool.

-Not sure if Holt's power halves damage before soak or after soak.So best not to take chances.

Green Sun Nimbus Flare deals 4HLs(Strength 4) of automatic aggravated damage by fiat if an attack hits and inflicts damage.
While Im reasonably sure that Holt probably has some Ox Body equivalent because demigoddess, dumping that much damage should inflict wound penalties to her dice pool and Willpower rolls, and she doesnt get an Excellency. That we know of.

-THEN we Shintai.

-No idea if flushing Corpsetaker from her hiding place in Mathews body counts as a secret.
Certainly Kattrin Holt's hidden trump ability should count as a secret.
If so, we get +2 Essence for the scene.

-Fluff:
Assuming that Holt is carrying a Desert Eagle chambered in .50AE, she'd have 7 rounds.
Im assuming she fired three into Molly, Mozambique protocol style, in her initial attack. Leaving four. Then after firing off four rounds switched to her blade. So that explains the fluff.

-Trivia:
Shintai is Japanese for god-body.
 
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