Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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...and our AI couldn't say... change the video footage? Or corrupt so our part can't be heard?
Or any number of other bullshit ai things?
The demon does not lack for loyalty, on the other hand it is also not a audio editor, so if you end up cutting things it will be pretty obvious you did so, unless you either buy the dots in computers, by the extra dots in allies or just find someone able and willing to edit that stuff for you.
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Corrupting an audio file. Even a section of an ides file shouldn't be difficult. And you've been letting us pull legal jargon from pop culture.
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Alternatively they can look it up.
Oh sure she can certainly corrupt it, she can even corrupt only the pieces you want, but without more skill than Clippy now has the break will be obvious and a suspicious listener might think convenient. Not saying you should or should not do it, just clarifying Clippy's limits
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[X] "I guessed," you glibly answer to see if you can get more answers out of a rise
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Chippy could also, even more hilariously just not unlock for them. Or wipe the video file completely, and we say we weren't recording actually.
This is just such a silly thing to be concerned about.
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Though not as pants on head silly as trying to blackmail an FBI agent. On camera.
Oh sorry for the confusion.I meant if you intended to later use the recording, the missing bits would stand out. I did not mean to imply they could somehow hack into a possessed phone.
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Or that a possessed phone would be moronic enough to just leave a bunch of incriminating material sitting out in the open.
Hiding a file so that it can literally never be found by anyone should be as simple as deleting it.
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"The bytes that make up your file's data are still there after a file is deleted. All that get's deleted is the index to the start of the file.
Its like in the library: you're looking for a book. You go to the computer (or back in the day, the card catalogue) and it tells you what floor/row/shelf its on.
But if you destroyed that book's entry in the computer (or the card).... for all intents and purposes the book might as well be gone because you'll never find it otherwise.
There are software programs that "wipe" data (or "secure erase" if you will) from deleted files; using the library analogy, it goes and destroys the orphaned book as well as the card.
Anyways - police forensic experts (or anyone really) can use software tools that brute force look for all the orphaned file segments. Using the library analogy, you start at shelf 1, book 1 and you cross reference with the entries in the index. If you find a book on the shelf that doesn't have an entry, you've found a "deleted" book."
Here's an explanation I pulled off reddit.
Looks like a dedicated enough forensics team would be able to pull... interesting things off our phone.
Clippy naturally has no need for an index. She "lives" in the metaphorical "library."
I have extreme doubts they would be able to pull out any single file Clippy was actively messing with, but they could probably see "active self modifying program" and be pretty wigged out.
Though it also creates the interesting question of "what happens if somebody makes a hard copy of Clippy."
Probably nothing. Maybe a new cyber devil if they put the copy in a cursed computer or something.
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Telling them we guessed removes leverage form our side of the equation. Telling them anything at all is giving them the advantage.
Acting like a kid or a crazy person is also unhelpful for getting them to cooperate.
I'm not sure about playing around with asking for a deal, since we don't actually want to sell the information, but it's at least the start of the conversation.
Not worth trying to blackmail the guy by announcing what we know though; we're literally surrounded by law enforcement. There's no more convenient place for us to mouth off about this in public for him.
[X] "What's the answer worth to you?" Usum suggests trying to cut some kind of deal and he claims step one of that is showing you have power and are not minded to reveal it for free.
Acting like a kid or a crazy person is also unhelpful for getting them to cooperate.
I'm not sure about playing around with asking for a deal, since we don't actually want to sell the information, but it's at least the start of the conversation.
Not worth trying to blackmail the guy by announcing what we know though; we're literally surrounded by law enforcement. There's no more convenient place for us to mouth off about this in public for him.
[X] "What's the answer worth to you?" Usum suggests trying to cut some kind of deal and he claims step one of that is showing you have power and are not minded to reveal it for free.
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If they were trying to press Harry into working with them cutting a deal might actually be worth it.
Especially if the government can offer us a shitload of cash. Or favors.
Though we'll have to see.
Walking around their base sticking cyber devils everywhere would be worth it on its own however.
Especially if the government can offer us a shitload of cash. Or favors.
Though we'll have to see.
Walking around their base sticking cyber devils everywhere would be worth it on its own however.
Seriously though, why are you guys voting for this?
It's a meme line that immediately puts us back in the "dumb kid" box that revealing we knew his home office got us out of.
If we wanted to stay low profile we shouldn't have said anything in the first place, not that we have we might as well do something with it.
The solution to the problems is clear get the tech excellency so we can actually make demons stick around. And then buy a supercomputer to handle messing with data. Hacking devices is easy if the demons can just network with each other to do tasks, granting each other direct access.
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I'd like to know this as well. But well see I suppose.
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I'm not trying to keep a low profile.
We're out of subtle essence (as in "non-anima flaring") and I want to close down the conversation safely and pursue a different investigative avenue than talking to this person. I don't much care if this person thinks we are a dumb kid, I expect that either he won't matter much[1]; or we are likely to encounter circumstances that make it advantageous to us to disabuse him of that notion.
[1] As in, I feel he's a goon and not a planner/leader
The FBI here have local police backup. Harry is going with these people, and we can't stop that. Actually:
[X] "I guessed," you glibly answer to see if you can get more answers out of a rise
-[X] Before he is taken away, ask Harry if there is anyone he would like us to call (intent: obviously, anyone he might name are only those he is ok with the FBI being aware of his connection to - there may be people worth calling that he does not wish to mention or allude to).
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He does have a portrait. A very nice portrait even. Regardless.
@BeepSmile What's your better avenue of investigation? We've got this guy on the hook and we'll get a pay day if we can reel him in.
We could of course always just use the crown and find out everything we want to know (but people dislike that)
Our current situation is the best chance I can see to actually find out about stuff, but if you've got something better don't feel the need to hide it.
@BeepSmile What's your better avenue of investigation? We've got this guy on the hook and we'll get a pay day if we can reel him in.
We could of course always just use the crown and find out everything we want to know (but people dislike that)
Our current situation is the best chance I can see to actually find out about stuff, but if you've got something better don't feel the need to hide it.
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Then we can just say nothing and walk away; we're under no obligation to answer him.
Maybe he doesn't matter, or maybe he'll be in the right place at the right time to matter a lot.
Tipping our hand and then waffling on it is just wasteful.
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Misread on my part:
I thought it was a question other people can hear, but this gives us an in we should not drop - especially since we can just play a safe enigmatic role to string him along until either sun up or we have a nice refreshing bleach bath.
Thank you @BronzeTongue for asking the question that brought this to my attention
[X] "What's the answer worth to you?" Usum suggests trying to cut some kind of deal and he claims step one of that is showing you have power and are not minded to reveal it for free.
My vague idea was to contact some of Harry's allies + then hack shit to find out who is involved in this, and use that to find our target and deal with them (prbly via murder), or find out how to prove his innocence. But if this 'FBI' guy is being subtly probing; that's a different circumstance than I expected.
I am one of the people who dislike using the crown, due to it's "one use per topic" nature. I'm ok with the idea of using it for very specific narrow things, but not asking "who is behind this?" in such a way that 'burns' that person's allies, or what groups they are a part of as available topics.
The "I guessed" is a plausible answer that in my view means that we did not tip our hand tbh; and for me the 'needling attempt' was intended a vague probing shot, but I've changed my vote.
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We should be able to spend more essence without flaring in the next scene. About 30 minutes to an hour.
Essence recovery might take a bit more, but...
Well if we learn something supernatural related? Something secret?
That gives us 2 essence.
Catching up.
But the impression I get is that Essence Dissecting Stare at 3 dots is 2-dot Hellscry Chakra's more expensive big brother.
I mean, remember that everything has an umbral presence in WoD, including people. By allowing you to see into that, ESD effectively does everything Hellscry Chakra does and better, but burns Willpower instead of Essence, and WP is harder to recover.
Especially since, if you dont house rule it, Hellscry Chakra is supposed to only work on creatures of darkness.
Its more along the lines of someone having influence and insight, but not control. Or at least imperfect control.
Remember: Someone got murdered and dismembered here, and his remains carefully dumped to enable this entire thing.
Thats never not evil.
Dresden is regional Warden commander for the western US, with subordinates in Atlanta, Boston, Dallas and New York.
There's a Vampire War on. Dumping legal shit on his head distracts him from other duties he could be covering.
I would not be surprised if Michael's planned trip has to deal with stuff that Dresden will be too tied down to deal with.
After his attemped assassination by Hinckley, President Reagan's wife Nancy Reagan had the astrologist Joan Quigley cast horoscopes for every major political action they took between 1981 and 1988.
If you opened your local phone book or Yellow Pages when they still existed in the 1990s and early 2000s, you could find tens or hundreds of entries with people who would read your fortune, tell the future, cast your astrology chart, align your chakras, put you in contact with the dead, brew you a love potion or twenty.
Nowadays a lot of them have moved online, but there are plenty of shops that cater to that set even now.
You get out into the US backcountry, you'll still find faith healers a plenty, along with people who handle snakes and more.
And occasionally this stuff enters the public consciousness, like the dude paying people to bespell his wife in 2021
fox5sandiego.com
Or the witches that claim to have cast a spell on Trump in 2017
Or the Oklahoma high school that suspended a student after accusing her of casting a spell on a teacher and putting him in the hospital back in 2000.
abcnews.go.com
For people who arent in the know, Harry is just a PI with a gimmick that he leans into really hard.
Nothing new in the US.
Or illegal.
2) The United States government does not have a policy of murdering US citizens domestically in order to get leverage over a single US citizen. At least, not since the 1980s.
And if they were going to do so, they wouldnt be so hamhanded.
The charms arent clearly written.
But the impression I get is that Essence Dissecting Stare at 3 dots is 2-dot Hellscry Chakra's more expensive big brother.
I mean, remember that everything has an umbral presence in WoD, including people. By allowing you to see into that, ESD effectively does everything Hellscry Chakra does and better, but burns Willpower instead of Essence, and WP is harder to recover.
Especially since, if you dont house rule it, Hellscry Chakra is supposed to only work on creatures of darkness.
Thats not what I'm seeing.
Its more along the lines of someone having influence and insight, but not control. Or at least imperfect control.
Remember: Someone got murdered and dismembered here, and his remains carefully dumped to enable this entire thing.
Thats never not evil.
Also this.
Dresden is regional Warden commander for the western US, with subordinates in Atlanta, Boston, Dallas and New York.
There's a Vampire War on. Dumping legal shit on his head distracts him from other duties he could be covering.
I would not be surprised if Michael's planned trip has to deal with stuff that Dresden will be too tied down to deal with.
1) Psychics like Uri Geller were a big thing in the 1970s and 1980s.
After his attemped assassination by Hinckley, President Reagan's wife Nancy Reagan had the astrologist Joan Quigley cast horoscopes for every major political action they took between 1981 and 1988.
If you opened your local phone book or Yellow Pages when they still existed in the 1990s and early 2000s, you could find tens or hundreds of entries with people who would read your fortune, tell the future, cast your astrology chart, align your chakras, put you in contact with the dead, brew you a love potion or twenty.
Nowadays a lot of them have moved online, but there are plenty of shops that cater to that set even now.
You get out into the US backcountry, you'll still find faith healers a plenty, along with people who handle snakes and more.
And occasionally this stuff enters the public consciousness, like the dude paying people to bespell his wife in 2021
What are ‘spellcasters’? The dark magic myth at center of Millete arrest
A dark, strange detail of the evidence brought against Larry Millete this week has piqued the curiosity of people following the case: a string of payments to “spellcasters,” who Larry a…
fox5sandiego.com
Witches cast 'mass spell' against Donald Trump
Thousands of followers of witchcraft say they cast a spell to stop the US president causing harm.
www.bbc.com
Student Expelled for Casting a Spell
abcnews.go.com
For people who arent in the know, Harry is just a PI with a gimmick that he leans into really hard.
Nothing new in the US.
Or illegal.
2) The United States government does not have a policy of murdering US citizens domestically in order to get leverage over a single US citizen. At least, not since the 1980s.
And if they were going to do so, they wouldnt be so hamhanded.
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Are they opposed to making something up?
On the whole I agree however. Them faking the video seems... like there are much easier ways they could have done this. Sand trap does seem like the most likely options, though it does lead to... What the heck were they told about him.
It would be nice if we could just get a yes or no on them knowing about the supernatural or not, but its definitely not worth a crown question.
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So what, if anything, would make my vote a more acceptable alternative to the currently leading options? I don't really like either one of them.
If I removed the puppet reference?
[X] "The same way I know this entire charade is a steaming load of bullshit and that if you have the common sense God gifted to a turnip, you're going to regret being involved in it. Then again, it's the nature of puppets to dance upon their master's strings. Dance, puppet, dance!"
If I removed the puppet reference?
[X] "The same way I know this entire charade is a steaming load of bullshit and that if you have the common sense God gifted to a turnip, you're going to regret being involved in it. Then again, it's the nature of puppets to dance upon their master's strings. Dance, puppet, dance!"
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I think a better assumption to be going in with is not that this is the State acting in its interests, but a different hierarchy that is using an organ of the State for its own aims. So not like, "The US Gov", but instead "The Thule Soc., via the Us Gov" or "The White Vamp Org., via the Us Gov" or some other group.
The people behind this 100% know about the supernatural. Harry Dresden does not matter to enough anyone in the mundane world to expend this amount of effort.
Like... Maybe this is set up by a few members of the CIA to try and force Harry into agreeing to work for them; but I get the vibe that the USA intelligence agencies probably already have a few people in the know, and know to not fuck with White Council[1] and their peeps, and would shut this shit down if it was prompted internally.
There's a slim chance that this is a group of mundane intelligence operative who have gone rogue and are trying to 'self start' a magic division, but that feels like 98% less likely than the FBI being infiltrated by an established magic group.
[1] White council might frown on Harry, but if he ever becomes a big problem for them then: something something "deal with in-house" something something "circle the wagons"
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[X] "I guessed," you glibly answer to see if you can get more answers out of a rise
Don't verbally spar with cops, it only ever makes things worse.
Don't verbally spar with cops, it only ever makes things worse.