Yeah, ferectoi are the children of Breeder Banes, not the children of fomori.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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Yeah, ferectoi are the children of Breeder Banes, not the children of fomori.
Don't know about that but abstracting HMP into something like a spy network rating might be a good idea.
- Location
- Finland
[X] Point out that you are going to be involved in this anyway, he just gets to decide if it's where he can see you or not
-[X]Stunt: Slurping at the straw of your large Coke, you roll your eyes at Harry. "Dude, like it or not I'm already involved. Im sure the gentleperson with the rifle remembers my face as well as the Winter half of Faerie. Id prefer to cooperate so we dont waste effort, but," one finger taps your temple suggestively "I am going to be looking anyway. With or without you. Wouldnt you be happier knowing where I am?" Smiling winningly at him, you steal one of his fries and pop it into your mouth, then make a face. "Y'know Wendy's has better fries than BK right?"
-[X]Stunt: Slurping at the straw of your large Coke, you roll your eyes at Harry. "Dude, like it or not I'm already involved. Im sure the gentleperson with the rifle remembers my face as well as the Winter half of Faerie. Id prefer to cooperate so we dont waste effort, but," one finger taps your temple suggestively "I am going to be looking anyway. With or without you. Wouldnt you be happier knowing where I am?" Smiling winningly at him, you steal one of his fries and pop it into your mouth, then make a face. "Y'know Wendy's has better fries than BK right?"
1)It does matter.
A convincing self defence plea gets you off shooting someone with a Glock or AR. You are in another whole heap of trouble if you used illegal weapons like a claymore mine, or which you were not entitled to legally possess like a Browning M2 HMG.
The US very much has rules about homemade explosive devices, as well.
And Im reasonably sure that the FAA has strong opinions about people arming flying drones and RC aircraft in US airspace.
2) Having mooks with human judgement protects us better from misjudgements.
And if you're drawing on First Hell's resources, you have the option of cycling teams through on tours of active duty if any of them is actually a subject of criminal investigation. Or just giving them all a disguise while in Chicago.
Note that forensics is a bitch.
You leave a lot more info on stuff you built and stored than you expect.
3) Not correcting your work, buffing it. Significant difference.
You are still rolling Dex+Firearms; the spirit is either adding bonus aim dice, reducing difficulty or extending range.
Depends on the smartgun build
4)OOC, it would be an exploit of something that doesnt seem to have really been designed as a combat tool.
IC, a gun cant wield itself any more than one of the wardens' magic swords can.
A car can drive itself. So can a boat or a plane. Even a tank.
A smartgun cant use itself, a chainsaw cant wield itself.
5) Im not sure why we have to get extra utility out of a combat charm.
We dont expect to use the demon sword for cutting vegetables in the kitchen, nor do we expect Transcendent Anathema to do anything other than kill shit extra dead for its 6XP cost.
6)I do have strong opinions on her themes; its an urban fantasy, not an epic fantasy, so Im trying to play it that way.
Forget that society has rules, and you get Interesting problems. Plus her charms best support some styles of play, and not others; she's not a Twilight Solar.
Note that I wasnt voting when chargen happened.
I didnt have a hand in her current build, and I think some of the choices were suboptimal. But I still dont think the investment required to upend a lot of that is warranted.
7) Our own hell dimension is something I expect to have running by the end of the year.
Its that fundamental, IMO, to setting up Molly's powerbase.
Somewhere to recruit reliable human-size minions?
To evac critically injured allies for medical care without answering awkward questions at Chicago Medical Center, or having go defend against attack like happened in the Congo? Somewhere we can intern prisoners while deciding what to do with them?
Thats a lot harder to acquire.
Money is relatively easy to get by comparison
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As an addendum, here's one of the most powerful RCs I can find
Now consider exactly how much trouble it would take to weaponize and transport something that size, let alone multiple of them.
Or for it to navigate its way around anything that isnt flat, dry concrete.
Did you actually read the text of the charm? Here it is:
Nowhere does it reference anything about W20 spirit awakening in the fluff or mechanics.
And the QM has not said anything of the sort.
So if Im missing something, I would appreciate a reference.
- Location
- Germany
Self-driving car even in 2006?
I mean, you can certainly possess a GPS to give you demonic guidance for your driving, but that won't actually allow the device to drive, unless the mechanics for that are in place.
1)The satellites would be hilarious. And actually legal by RAW.
Might bring more heat than we can handle right now, and currently of dubious utility to us.
Still hilarious.
2)Cellphones and internet involves walking into the exchange buildings for the Chicago area.
This is information thats publicly available. If Molly really wants to bug Chicago, she can do that by impersonating someone, walking in and out.
Noting that she has decent Subterfuge but terrible Stealth, I would suggest waiting until she has better skill or charms to do this.
Or just buy Allies dots and build yiur own hacker collective.
3)CPD depends on the GM's ruling.
Under one interpretation, we can walk into the CPD HQ, look at the receptionist computer, and put a cyberdevil in the receptionist computer and from there we own the network.
If the GM rules thats not enough, we wait till school starts, join a student tour of the HQ and do it to the computer of the CPD chief when we walk past their office. If the GM rules we must physically see wherever the servers are located, we buy Anonymity Through Propriety and walk through the HQ at night.
Appropriate Backgrounds
When creating your Infernal, all of the following
Backgrounds are appropriate choices:
• Allies (V20, p. 111)
• Alternate Identity (V20, p. 111)
• Arsenal (Hunter: The Reckoning, p. 120-121)
• Backup (M20, p. 306-307)
• Contacts (V20, p. 112)
• Cult (see p. 290)
• Destiny (M20, p. 311-312)
• Fame (M20, p. 313-314)
• Familiar (see p. 293)
• Fetish (W20, p. 137-138)
• Influence (V20, p. 114-115)
• Magic Artifact (Kindred of the East, p. 87)
• Mentor (V20, p. 115)
• Resources (V20, p. 115-116)
• Retainers (V20, p. 116)
• Secrets (W20 Changing Breeds, p. 212)
• Spies (M20, p. 325)
• Totem (W20, p. 140)
• Wonder (M20, p. 328)
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I would suggest Spies or Retainers.
Yes.
Electronics have been a part of most cars since at least the 1980s, and things like electronic fuel injection dates back to the 1960s.
The problem has not been the effectors, its having something smart enough to drive the vehicle and make the right decisions.
And specifically, by the rules of Hollow Mind Possession, if the vehicle or device is computerized, the spirit can operate it.
You dont need it to be a Tesla or something.
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- Germany
At least we would have to add the mechanical connections by hand, to allow the car-spirit to drive and break and such by itself.
Since those are not build-in, I assume.
Self driving cars are complicated, but you should keep in mind that this is not an actual human made AI, it is a demon possessing something, much like no one programed your phone of make a black fiery eyed Clippy on it a car can do things that are not in the design specs.
For instance say you are in a normal modernist car. The driver pulls the wheel to the left. Does that ennact some kind of mechanical gear that goes all the way to the wheel, or is it an electrical impulse, one that the onboard computer can read as well if only so it can turn warning lights on if the wheel does not return to neutral. If it's an electrical impulse the demon can make it go the other way, it can think 'turn left' at the wheel sensors. The wheel would not actually turn, no mechanical impulse, but the car would
Apparently we dont, by RAW. Text of the charm:
At least, thats my understanding. No electronic nervous system necessary.
Spirit, not AI.
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I didn't know that his name was actually Harrison Blackmore Cash Dresden...
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
I just realized that we could bring safe and effective self-driving cars to the market a decade or more before they even really started to be somewhat viable IRL. Of course, no one would be able to figure out how the hell they worked, but that would just make them even more desirable.
Do y'all think calling the cars Diablos would be a bit too on the nose?
Do y'all think calling the cars Diablos would be a bit too on the nose?
If a car has cruse control, it has enough electronic to put a demon in it, and drive by itself just fine.
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- Germany
I'm not confident that passes muster.
We can't exactly build a fabric for these cars, we can't show anyone how the AI works.
And also the cars will still drive with a mortal level of skill and that's just not enough. People will never accept a self-driving AI that makes roughly as many accidents as a regular driver.
Electric cars cause more accidents then humans by far. Cars don't have the huge number of sensors a plane has, that makes the autopilot so good.
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- florida
Magic self driving cars are probably of interest to some people.
White council wizard noticing that someone is selling masers of possessed cars to the public *screaming internally*
That is a kind of interest granted.
From what DragonParadox was saying that's covered by it being a demon possessing the car rather than being an AI installed on a computer in the car.
If it has enough electronics to support a demon, it has enough electronics for Molly to wait for you to get in, put a cyberdevil in the car, have the doors lock, then drive it at topspeed into a wall, then make it explode in a fireball, sending the cyberdevil back to her anima and burning the poor sap to death.
Good thing Molly is not prone to homicide, eh?
Less morbidly, it also means she can, with a glance, put a cyberdevil in someone's car, and essentially track the person's comings and goings, as well as any conversations made in and around the car, for weeks or months at a time.
If they dont have the senses to notice the cyberdevil, they'll never be able to tell.
- Location
- Hive City Ares, Armageddon, Segmentum Solar
[X] Point out that you are going to be involved in this anyway, he just gets to decide if it's where he can see you or not
-[X]Stunt: Slurping at the straw of your large Coke, you roll your eyes at Harry. "Dude, like it or not I'm already involved. Im sure the gentleperson with the rifle remembers my face as well as the Winter half of Faerie. Id prefer to cooperate so we dont waste effort, but," one finger taps your temple suggestively "I am going to be looking anyway. With or without you. Wouldnt you be happier knowing where I am?" Smiling winningly at him, you steal one of his fries and pop it into your mouth, then make a face. "Y'know Wendy's has better fries than BK right?"
-[X]Stunt: Slurping at the straw of your large Coke, you roll your eyes at Harry. "Dude, like it or not I'm already involved. Im sure the gentleperson with the rifle remembers my face as well as the Winter half of Faerie. Id prefer to cooperate so we dont waste effort, but," one finger taps your temple suggestively "I am going to be looking anyway. With or without you. Wouldnt you be happier knowing where I am?" Smiling winningly at him, you steal one of his fries and pop it into your mouth, then make a face. "Y'know Wendy's has better fries than BK right?"
The caveat to that is that the demons are perfectly loyal not perfectly disciplined, I would roll to see if any watching demons did any poltergeist like mischief eventually. You are basically asking electronic gremlins to pretend not to be there.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X] Point out that you are going to be involved in this anyway, he just gets to decide if it's where he can see you or not
-[X]Stunt: Slurping at the straw of your large Coke, you roll your eyes at Harry. "Dude, like it or not I'm already involved. Im sure the gentleperson with the rifle remembers my face as well as the Winter half of Faerie. Id prefer to cooperate so we dont waste effort, but," one finger taps your temple suggestively "I am going to be looking anyway. With or without you. Wouldnt you be happier knowing where I am?" Smiling winningly at him, you steal one of his fries and pop it into your mouth, then make a face. "Y'know Wendy's has better fries than BK right?"
Haven't been in much of a thinky effortposty headspace recently.
-[X]Stunt: Slurping at the straw of your large Coke, you roll your eyes at Harry. "Dude, like it or not I'm already involved. Im sure the gentleperson with the rifle remembers my face as well as the Winter half of Faerie. Id prefer to cooperate so we dont waste effort, but," one finger taps your temple suggestively "I am going to be looking anyway. With or without you. Wouldnt you be happier knowing where I am?" Smiling winningly at him, you steal one of his fries and pop it into your mouth, then make a face. "Y'know Wendy's has better fries than BK right?"
Haven't been in much of a thinky effortposty headspace recently.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
So I guess that if we give them internet access, they will not have this problem as there are plenty of ways to shit post and start flaming people.
So I guess that if we give them internet access, they will not have this problem as there are plenty of ways to shit post and start flaming people.
Assuming you could do that for demons that are in someone else's car yes that would be distracting enough