Behold an enlightened mortal practicing a form of mystical martial arts, he is standing in front of you. Mortals would have less reason to come up with a style that works best for the Terrestrial Exalted and that mortals can learn if they push themselves to the limit.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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Behold an enlightened mortal practicing a form of mystical martial arts, he is standing in front of you. Mortals would have less reason to come up with a style that works best for the Terrestrial Exalted and that mortals can learn if they push themselves to the limit.
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Thats interesting.
I have heard it go both ways honestly.
Developing stronger dragon blooded styles by calling to mind the Kukla was a fan charm tree.
Pure fluff does kind of matter in a narrative though...
How about this? You come at it from the 'elements' not the 'dragon' angle so you have to posses some insights of the Five Elements in order to start to recreate it. So you might want to look into elemental numia, things like the path of Hellfire or weather-working.
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- Germany
[X] Tell Charity that you are learning the Qiao and explain what they are
-[X] Point out that you are learning how to be harder to hurt
The idea that this is not magic is pretty absurd.
Qiao is a supernatural skill, the fact that it's not traditional magic doesn't matter.
What does make a difference is that we are learning to be tougher, not anything that can be used to make or get into more trouble.
-[X] Point out that you are learning how to be harder to hurt
The idea that this is not magic is pretty absurd.
Qiao is a supernatural skill, the fact that it's not traditional magic doesn't matter.
What does make a difference is that we are learning to be tougher, not anything that can be used to make or get into more trouble.
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- washington
do we really want to spend time recreating terrestial martial arts when we could work towards (re)creating celestial martial arts with what we are learning now as a basis?
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- Germany
Well, first of all if we develop a Celestial Style, only Molly can use it, nobody else in this world.
Secondly, which Celestial Style would you consider more useful than the option I suggested?
Most are rather complicated (hard to adapt to a new system) and specialised in ways that makes them hard to use for a sword-fighter.
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- washington
we can't make that terrestial martial art from the basis of the martial art we're learning right now though we'd have to put more exp into something else.
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- washington
I mean I never said their a waste of time. Just uh sinking exp into two separate sets of martial arts seems a massive exp sink.
FriedIce
The Authentic Fake
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- Hyperreality
So reinvent it or pray that some monk has managed to preserve it in their monasteries somewhere.
Would I be wrong in saying that this is less that we need patronage and more that we need a suitable source of inspiration? And we need plenty of access to that source of inspiration.
So given that dragons are capital D Dragons in the Dresden Files, we probably need a source of inspiration of equivalent power.
Options:
- The Faerie Queens
- Angels, in a sword or otherwise
- Fallen Angels, in a coin or otherwise
- Odin, Hades
- Merlin
- Jonny Marcone
But more seriously, we could maybe use one of the Swords as our inspiration source? They're on a comparable power level to a Dragon after all?
I assume, at least partially, because it'll be a vastly lower XP cost. And by learning TMA it'll further lower the cost of CMA.
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- washington
offhand if we get mortal martial arts, then evolve that into terrestrial martial arts, then make celestial martial arts from that do we keep the former terrestrial martial arts dragon paradox?
Also offhand guys even terrestrial martial arts have very high requirements for mortals right? Maybe less for stuff like demons and dark creatures?
Also offhand guys even terrestrial martial arts have very high requirements for mortals right? Maybe less for stuff like demons and dark creatures?
Angels are probably a no go, if they act the Fallen get to act. Do you want Denarians with Celestial Martial arts?
You do not forget the stuff you learn no.
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- washington
I mean they don't get to decide against human free will so if they don't teach anything we're good. Though we probably can't learn anything from angels if their just standing doing nothing so probably can't get inspired from them standing if thats what your getting at?Angels are probably a no go, if they act the Fallen get to act. Do you want Denarians with Celestial Martial arts?
You do not forget the stuff you learn no.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Well, Molly wants some worthy opponents.....Angels are probably a no go, if they act the Fallen get to act. Do you want Denarians with Celestial Martial arts?
You do not forget the stuff you learn no.
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- washington
we have plenty of worthy opponents just walk into the wicked city or arctis tor.
Oh you mean pure observation? You do not even have senses that can perceive the swords beyond Mark 1.0 eyeball other than the Crown which you promised not to use on them and only gives one question.
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- washington
thats fair this was more a future thing though also not the one who brought it up so not sure what they personally meant. Was curious though if you meant the fallen could act if we learned from angels. which I assumed yes if they acted directly and no if we learned just from our own insights without their interference correct?
Assuming you did so without the angels realizing you are doing so and they did not give consent yes, but that seems... well I am not going to say impossible, very very very unlikely.
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- washington
probably yeah though I assume even if angels noticed they couldn't do shit free will and all unless we directly attacked them or something like an idiot. Would be hard to gain much? Well no we could probably gain some insights with future observation powers on angels super martial arts without seeing them actually do things seems unlikely though. Also fairly sure there is a word of jim archangels don't even fight conventionally with it being more a battle of minds and concepts than conventional fighting.
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[X] Tell Charity that you are learning the Qiao and explain what they are
-[X] Point out that you are learning how to be harder to hurt
@DragonParadox, if we make a new CMA based off of a qiao that we learn, does the CMA keep the basic gist of the original mortal form? Like, a CMA based off of the Devil Fighter Style we're learning now would still mostly be using essence to boost our attributes, just boosted to CMA level effectiveness? Because I see a couple of qiao styles that aren't very useful to us in their current form, but could be very useful converted to a proper CMA. Like celestial gods style, which gives ranged attacks that run off of occult instead of firearms and do aggravated damage, but otherwise has big drawbacks as a style and is too weak to be competitive with our charms. I would love a CMA version of that.
-[X] Point out that you are learning how to be harder to hurt
@DragonParadox, if we make a new CMA based off of a qiao that we learn, does the CMA keep the basic gist of the original mortal form? Like, a CMA based off of the Devil Fighter Style we're learning now would still mostly be using essence to boost our attributes, just boosted to CMA level effectiveness? Because I see a couple of qiao styles that aren't very useful to us in their current form, but could be very useful converted to a proper CMA. Like celestial gods style, which gives ranged attacks that run off of occult instead of firearms and do aggravated damage, but otherwise has big drawbacks as a style and is too weak to be competitive with our charms. I would love a CMA version of that.
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We'd be better off trying to make things like Chooser of the Slain style based on Valkyries.
Or if we encounter the Hungry dead and meet their boddhisarva, styles based on their dharmas could well be celestial, given the power level of the most enlightened wan kuei.
I think any martial art we directly developed from the Qiao would be terrestrial, as Shih Style would be based on the mortal archetype that they have created.
Or if we encounter the Hungry dead and meet their boddhisarva, styles based on their dharmas could well be celestial, given the power level of the most enlightened wan kuei.
I think any martial art we directly developed from the Qiao would be terrestrial, as Shih Style would be based on the mortal archetype that they have created.
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- washington
qm said its easier though they said we could make celestial. I figure making both is an exp sink though since we can keep both its not the worst exp sink.
Hmm... you could do that as well, though that would take less adapting from 2E and more building. Still if you do this that would replace the Qiao.
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- washington
I thought we don't lose styles? Unless you mean we'd be basically making a new style which isn't so much an upgrade as something new?
Free[mytt that we're incredibly inefficient when using Qiao, converting essence into the much less powerful chi and wasting most of it along the way.
Simply rebuilding the Qiao to use all that power rather than wasting most of it may make them much better and be a pure upgrade from our perspective, although it can probably only be taught to other essence users.
Simply rebuilding the Qiao to use all that power rather than wasting most of it may make them much better and be a pure upgrade from our perspective, although it can probably only be taught to other essence users.