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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today

This quest moves fast, had some catching up to do.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Yes, you can train them for things were a training helps, they are in all respects mortal.
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Alright, its not much but I am going to have to be satisfied with 4 clones of ourself with 5 Dex 5 Firearms (or Dex 5 Melee 5 or Brawl 5) using fully automatic rifles to escort us and help us preserve motes from using it on chaff. Plus one respawn point.

Its not much, but its acceptable. Luxury Charm at E5.

Edit: Yeah with the above clarification this is mook squad on demand Charm. Wouldnt trust sympathetic links out of our sight this good.

Edit: In Exalted this Charm was good if you somehow knew Throne Shadow Style which uses shadow-fingers, trained mortals as weapons as they act as your soldiers and you could use this for that.

Without that its not great.
 
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Valkhir said:
Alright, its not much but I am going to have to be satisfied with 4 clones of ourself with 5 Dex 5 Firearms (or Dex 5 Melee 5 or Brawl 5) using fully automatic rifles to escort us and help us preserve motes from using it on chaff. Plus one respawn point.

Its not much, but its acceptable. Luxury Charm at E5.

Edit: Yeah with the above clarification this is mook squad on demand Charm. Wouldnt trust sympathetic links out of our sight this good.

Edit: In Exalted this Charm was good if you somehow knew Throne Shadow Style which uses shadow-fingers, trained mortals as weapons as they act as your soldiers and you could use this for that.

Without that its not great.
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Also leave a clone inside the Carpenter House, protected by angels, as a backup self.
 
[X] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today

While believably arrogant I think the write-in will probably result in a worse outcome here compared to the base vote.
 
...Shit.

I copied the guy above me thinking it was not a write in.

People keep in mind that the winning option is a write in.
 
Yzarc said:
...Shit.

I copied the guy above me thinking it was not a write in.

People keep in mind that the winning option is a write in.
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Probably too late for that


[X] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
 
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[X] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
 
UberJJK said:
While believably arrogant I think the write-in will probably result in a worse outcome here compared to the base vote.
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Might need to expand on that - exactly what worse outcome are you expecting?

My own thoughts were to emphasise the fact that we could kick Outsider ass, and therefore stress how important and unique we are, sure would be a shame if we were executed, hint hint. Also because the base vote makes it sound like the main point of the fight was against the trash Red Court, when it really, really wasn't. Like, it's not like we just found out today the Red Court is evil, and even if we did that is the least important result of that fight.

I don't know, it just seems odd that the base vote completely ignores the presence of Outsiders. They're a pretty big freaking deal, guys.
 
Rob Rimsill said:
I don't know, it just seems odd that the base vote completely ignores the presence of Outsiders. They're a pretty big freaking deal, guys.
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The write comes in as arrogant and self-righteous. It implies that the Counsel needs her help, especially after the fact that we broke the laws of magic and they can still judge us guilty.

Keep in mind that we have not solved that issue just yet.
 
Spitballing in competent but questionably Molly mode.

A. I'd say I burned out my ability to do magic like a normal person so you don't have to worry about me going insane because of that, but that's not the whole problem is it? You don't need black magic induced insanity to go mad with power and the dead outsider is proof I have it. All I can say is I've realized Nelson didn't deserve what I did to him and that anything I could theoretically do to fix it as I am now would be rubbing salt on the wound or open a completely new ethical can of worms or something.

B. If you need my sword skills or help spreading awareness about the dangers of black magic or something I am very willing to work with you.
 
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Yzarc said:
The write comes in as arrogant and self-righteous. It implies that the Counsel needs her help, especially after the fact that we broke the laws of magic and they can still judge us guilty.
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Offering to help against Outsiders, who are immune to most magic but whom we've just demonstrated we can kill: arrogant and self-righteous
Offering to help against the Red Court, who the White Council have been effectively handling for years now: A-OK, absolutely fine, not arrogant at all

Sure.

Again, I think it's weird that the vote as written doesn't even mention the presence of Outsiders. If you get attacked by a squad of vampires and two Outsiders, your reaction shouldn't be 'holy crap, these vampires are a real problem you guys!', its 'fuck fuck Outsiders are here fuck'. And yet, nothing.
 
Rob Rimsill said:
Again, I think it's weird that the vote as written doesn't even mention the presence of Outsiders. If you get attacked by a squad of vampires and two Outsiders, your reaction shouldn't be 'holy crap, these vampires are a real problem you guys!', its 'fuck fuck Outsiders are here fuck'. And yet, nothing.
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Molly doesn't know that outsiders are a big deal.
She even asked what they were in this update.
 
Rob Rimsill said:
Again, I think it's weird that the vote as written doesn't even mention the presence of Outsiders. If you get attacked by a squad of vampires and two Outsiders, your reaction shouldn't be 'holy crap, these vampires are a real problem you guys!', its 'fuck fuck Outsiders are here fuck'. And yet, nothing.
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The vampires are the ones who summoned the Outsiders so the logic goes that they are the main issue in the context of the war. Oh course if you guys want to shift the focus that is fine as well, that is why the vote has a write in.
 
Would Molly need an introspection excellency or something to come up with this?

[]I'd say I burned out my ability to do magic like a normal person so you don't have to worry about me going mad with power, but you don't need black magic enforced insanity to go mad with power. It just helps. And the dead outsider back there is proof I have it. All I can say is that I've realized Nelson didn't deserve what I did to him, and that anything I could theoretically do to fix it as I am now would probably be salt on the wound or open a whole new ethical can of worms or something.
-[]If you'll have me, I am very willing to work with you, either with swords or just spreading awareness of the dangers of black magic.

Edit: Or maybe just a generic conversational approach.

[x]Approach theme 1: You can't do normal magic any more but you don't need black magic induced madness to go mad with power, it just helps and you still have power as the dead outsider demonstrates.
-[x]Approach Theme 2: Rosie didn't deserve what you did, and even if you could theoretically fix it, that would likely open up other ethical issues/rub salt on the wound.
-[x]Offer to work with them, either with swords against the red court/outsiders or just spreading awareness of the dangers of black magic
 
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I want Molly to help, as I believe that would be an IC motivation for her, but simultaneously I don't want her just blurting that out right here and now, like she's trying to justify her continued existence, as if she needs to be too valuable for the White Council to kill her.

[X] Simply that you are not a danger and that you can no longer wield mortal sorcery and thus not under the mandate of the Seven Laws
 
DragonParadox said:
Introspection is the one thing excellencies do not work on, if they did the history of Creation would be very different. You are going to have to muddle along with merely human self-knowledge in the face of inhuman and divine power
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I know. I'm just trying to make sure that Molly doesn't come across as implausibly enlightened. Just because we can't do black magic doesn't mean we aren't dangerous after all.

Edit: If we were utterly cavalier about our power and the council fully comprehended what we could become, they would try to kill us on general principle, laws or no laws I think.
 
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OctarineShrike said:
I know. I'm just trying to make sure that Molly doesn't come across as implausibly enlightened. Just because we can't do black magic doesn't mean we aren't dangerous after all.

Edit: If we were utterly cavalier about our power and the council fully comprehended what we could become, they would kill us on general principle, laws or no laws I think.
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In terms of what makes sense for Molly she would probably talk more about Rosanne then Nelson. Like she feels guilty about him as well but not nearly as much so her mind would go first to her and t hen to him, no matter that he came out worse in the end.
 
Rob Rimsill said:
Offering to help against Outsiders, who are immune to most magic but whom we've just demonstrated we can kill: arrogant and self-righteous
Offering to help against the Red Court, who the White Council have been effectively handling for years now: A-OK, absolutely fine, not arrogant at all
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Lets see how you have worded it.
Rob Rimsill said:
[X] Offer to help in the Council's war. You managed to kill one of those things, and apparently that's a big deal... and it wasn't particularly difficult for you. All you're saying is - you want to help, and you think the Council needs that help, at least when it comes to fighting whatever those were.
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So what I am getting from this is, we killed something and it is a big deal, it was easy for us and the Counsel clearly needs help, so lets help them out.

This is not how we plead for our lives. Because that is what we are supposed to do. The context is that we are trying to convince Ebeneezer McCoy that we are not a warlock or a dark magic addict.

The fact that we killed the outsider and had Uriel vouch for us is a +. But that statement right now comes off as arrogant and gives the impression that we are high on our own power. Which is NOT what we want to do for the "Do not loose your head" reason.

Offering help at least puts us in a similar position as a Knight of the Cross like Molly's father, even if we are using Nuclear hate fire and hell themed energy.

But we really, REALLY do not want more comparisons to warlocks and other people drunk on their power then absolutely necessary. THAT is not how we plead for our lives.
 
[X] Simply that you are not a danger and that you can no longer wield mortal sorcery and thus not under the mandate of the Seven Laws
 
Yzarc said:
Lets see how you have worded it.

So what I am getting from this is, we killed something and it is a big deal, it was easy for us and the Counsel clearly needs help, so lets help them out.

This is not how we plead for our lives. Because that is what we are supposed to do. The context is that we are trying to convince Ebeneezer McCoy that we are not a warlock or a dark magic addict.

The fact that we killed the outsider and had Uriel vouch for us is a +. But that statement right now comes off as arrogant and gives the impression that we are high on our own power. Which is NOT what we want to do for the "Do not loose your head" reason.

Offering help at least puts us in a similar position as a Knight of the Cross like Molly's father, even if we are using Nuclear hate fire and hell themed energy.

But we really, REALLY do not want more comparisons to warlocks and other people drunk on their power then absolutely necessary. THAT is not how we plead for our lives.
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About pleading for your life well...
DragonParadox said:
You nod, though the chill down the alleys does not trouble you nor the shadows make you jump. It seems like the thing to do as you wait for the elder wizard to come and decree your fate, or at least that he thinks should be your fate. You certainly aren't going to be bending your head for any swords.
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And also:
DragonParadox said:
"Of course it matters," you reply not angry just confused. "Crimes have degrees, even what I did which was a hundred times worse than what I did because Rosie did not deserve what happened to her. It was like... getting in a car without a license and running over someone because I did not know how to drive. That does not mean it is the same as someone who goes on a multi-year car based serial killing spree. I know it is not just the same because hitting people with cars is not addictive, but people do beat addiction with something other than death."
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Molly is exalted, one of the Chosen in the hour of her first victory and you got your introduction to the Laws and the Council from Lasciel so she does not really believe in the right of the Council to cut off her head. Pleading for her life is not the first thing on her mind.

Not saying you can't plead just that I will be rolling subterfuge if you go for something like 'and I will accept your judgement on my lowly head'.
 
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Here's the most current version of what I'm planning. In the end I think the most important things are showing remorse and that we take our power seriously. Willingness to work with them is just bonus points and will not swing Ebenezar on it's own. I framed it as themes to avoid quest write in speech syndrome.

[x]Approach theme 1: You can't do normal magic any more but you don't need black magic induced madness to go mad with power, it just helps and you still have power as the dead outsider demonstrates.
-[x]Approach Theme 2: Rosie didn't deserve what you did, and even if you could theoretically fix it, that would likely open up other ethical issues/rub salt on the wound.
-[x]Offer to work with them, either with swords against the red court/outsiders or just spreading awareness of the dangers of black magic
 
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