Jack vile Ripper
The swellest guy in Creation.
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[X] Go talk to Harry, you have a lot more to tell him and it would be nice to do so without Mom listening in
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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[X] Go talk to Harry, you have a lot more to tell him and it would be nice to do so without Mom listening in
We can put helmets on our goombas later, right now working out our supernatural nonsense is more important than messing with our mortals.
We can put helmets on our goombas later, right now working out our supernatural nonsense is more important than messing with our mortals.
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>.> thats a pretty shitty way to describe anyones friends and family.
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I think the easiest way to reconcile Creation vs Reality in this setting would be to have Creation simply be a location within the Nevernever; a very distant, very old realm that was perhaps once the focal point of that realm due to the incredibly powerful beings who once called it home.
It was meant as a joke playing on the whole "minions" thing we were talking about before voting to go to school. Doesn't seem that extreme to me.
Not like it'd be the first time the the Primordials abandon a world and go do something else. Remember Zen-Mu.
It could also be straight up made by Exalts. Nothing stops an Elder Solar from fucking off and abusing the local Wyld geography and beings until they Shape a world.
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Ah alright. My apologies then. Didnt know you meant it as a joke.
My pet theory so far has been that the never born fucked everything up once the exaltations got sealed away.
Specifically that they somehow crawled out of their tombs to wrap themselves around the outer edge of the marches, and started irradiating everything inside the bubble they made with their weird necrotic physics.
The never born are dead primordials who can't really stay dead, and it's canon that primordials are self contained sapient physical laws and world systems. So if the neverborn got their shit together and could act unopposed it's not impossible that they could start exerting new influence.
So creation suddenly gets things like entropy written into its source code, and zombie radiation is pouring in from the former border of the Wyld. No exalted left except the dragon blooded, so rekilling them isn't in the cards.
In an effort to not die the remaining gods build up the outer gates to keep out their physical agents and limit their influence, but not before apocalyptic changes like planets needing to be round were made as a side effect of the assault.
Which would make the empty night of the outside more or less a film separating creation from the raw power of the wyld needed to renew it, leaving reality to suffocate and slowly rot away while the never born laugh.
It's basically conspiracy theory level speculation at this point though.
So the solution would be...assemble a new Exalted Host and a great expeditionary army lead by them and sally out of the Outer Gates and create and shape (Shape) a new corridor so renewing Wyld can enter.
It would also parallel the WoD Triad.
Weaver/Stasis (Death and stagnation or maybe imprisonment of Exaltations as Stasis) cause the Wyrm/Entropy/Destruction (Neverborn) to go apeshit and brutalize existance and the Wyld?
I think.
Who knows if its right, but it could make sense.
Sorcery can probably also do it somehow. Anyone got an Apollyon Cannon worth of Essence around?
Jack vile Ripper
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Speaking of Apollyon Canon, what do you reckon happened to the Dirigible Daystar Fortress? Creatures of Darkness denomination still exist to this day, that does mean that Ignis Divine is still out there (or at least, something acting akin to the Chief of the Gods himself) to exact his displeasure.
And where there's Sol, there's also Daystar. Autochtonia has been confirmed to exist in Mage: the Ascension, the Technocracy has it... until the Maelstorm happened (HOW THE FUCK DID YOU LOSE A PLANET-SIZED CORPSE, TECHNOCRATS?!?!). So it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that the Daystar would still exist.
And I don't know about you, but the idea that a N/A rating battlestation that could exterminate everything the Wyld could throw at it sitting in space, unmanned by anyone, is very fucking scary. Imagine if someone could get their grubby hands on that thing...
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More like forming a corridor so we can pillage new essence since the Rakasha probably wouldn't enjoy our renewed presence.
The "easiest" route if I'm roughly correct would probably be to find what's left of the unconquered sun and get it to cough up a solar capable of taking their wyld shaping charms. Mostly since I'm not sure if infernals can do that themselves.
We could then build a corridor out and have them make a bubble of fresh off the presses creation to connect back into the rest of reality as what would basically be a crude essence suppository.
Rinse and repeat until reality has grown enough to properly put the never born back in their box.
I don't think Sol is around. Isn't the Godspear itself like...gone? Not in existence anymore? I don't think thats a good sign.
As for Holy...that doesn't seem exclusive to Sol.
This isn't quite that, but its also E6. I imagine a stronger Solar could just...take over Sol's position.Exalted 2e Solar Integrity said:
I expect what would answer a LOT of cosmological and apocalyptic questions is..."Who is the White God?"
He seems to be a centerpiece of this strange new reality.
Not confirming anything but I can just imagine the reaction of the White Council high essence Molly going: Open the Outer Gates I need to invade the Outside to end entropy! 
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Hmm, if I'm not mistaken Cecelyne and She Who Lives in Her Name had Shaping Charms that could create and stabilize new reality.
The problem is that the new realm is going to be treated as an extension of the Demon City Malfeas rather than Creation. Demonic Essence will be a major bitch to deal with for Creation-natives.
Or, we could go Devil-Tiger and make Custom Infernal Charms that makes it so that anything we create becomes a part of reality.
We could try and find a Solar that has Wyld-Shaping Charm to stabilize parts of other reality as boundaries of Creation proper.
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Dragons in Dresden, along with Angels, I think are called "Pillars of Creation", so they maybe some kind of substitute, sapient Elemental Pole variant.
Especially dragons would fit, though I don't know what the hell would happen to Gaia if she's out in the Wyld and one of her person sized bodies was in Yu-Shan. Dragons are usually Daeva of Gaia.
Angels could be some knock-off, amalgamated Solar and Sidereal (or Loom of Fate??) blueprint based things, I guess?
Virtue, Power, Authority + Fate as in physics, making sure everything works (Powers, Principalities etc in angelic hierarchy) and anti Outside Fate (Outsider) security inside Creation while not being the Lunar/Steward/Borderguard role, which is Winter.
If we're doing speculation.
Especially dragons would fit, though I don't know what the hell would happen to Gaia if she's out in the Wyld and one of her person sized bodies was in Yu-Shan. Dragons are usually Daeva of Gaia.
Angels could be some knock-off, amalgamated Solar and Sidereal (or Loom of Fate??) blueprint based things, I guess?
Virtue, Power, Authority + Fate as in physics, making sure everything works (Powers, Principalities etc in angelic hierarchy) and anti Outside Fate (Outsider) security inside Creation while not being the Lunar/Steward/Borderguard role, which is Winter.
If we're doing speculation.
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It's a good endgame, but for one Exalted with ahard limit of Essence 5 it's not that feasible.Not confirming anything but I can just imagine the reaction of the White Council high essence Molly going: Open the Outer Gates I need to invade the Outside to end entropy!
We either need more allies that can act on the big scale, preferably Exalted, or we need ways to rise to higher Essence and become a new Titan.
One potential end(ish) goal that wasnt shot down by DP and could be feasible was some huge ritual or something to make Ancient Sorcery as good as Sorcery in Exalted proper. Multiple circles, reality shaping based on Primordial stuff, enough Essence to use it.
I imagine a variant to try for Titanhood could also be a goal, if Molly knew enough and were motivated enough, with commesurately more danger and difficulty of achieving it.
Exaltations are Imperishable, eternal and can do miracles. Ours is merely running on power-saving for being in this Essence starved reality.
If we got some real shit going it may go into overdrive, as the Yozi aren't around to shackle Infernals anyway, but the Primordial charmtech is still welded onto the Solar base. It may be even more natural than "normal" if we had power.
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Not the Godspear Of All-Searing Noon (which is the Spear that the Exalted Host gave to him after the Primordials' defeat), I'm talking about his mobile fortress. But the thing is that Sol and Daystar are so intertwined that they could not live without the other. That's the reason why the Death of Sol is so catastrophic to Creation. If there's no Sidereal that could crown a new Unconquered Sun in the eve of his death, the Daystar would be gone. And Creation would be plunged into eternal darkness.
Yeah, that Charm was my reason I'm saying there might be other beings (a Solar being the most probability) that could imitate Sol's decree.
My guess? It's Malfeas who was reformed by a motley of Infernals to be more akin to his Theion-self after resurrecting Ruvelia, his Second Fetich Soul.
Could she have been connected enough to creation to still be influencing its physics while not directly involved?
If the never born killed one of her major sub souls then that could be something to help explain an abrupt and massive change in creation's physics.
Which the remaining gods tried to patch by stealing the fragments to forge modern DF dragons.
I dunno if theres a Sol around, but alchemical and some occult stuff associates the Christian God with the sun, so that may explain or provide some connections to examine.
An even more conspiracy theory tier idea is that when (if) the Neverborn broke out and it started to seem like they may win, someone welded Sol into Malfeas as his new second Fetich becauee even Yozi are freaked out by Neverborn, even when they arent in imminent danger of also being turned into one.
This even more of an out there theory, but...imagine pseudo-Theion Malfeas with Sol as a second Fetich alongside Ligier. Could it fit?
How did they do this? Maidens, Oramus, Autochton, Exalted bullshit etc. Pick one.
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Fetich Death is something so horrifying, so mutable and so abrupt that it is entirely possible that it could be that way, yeah.
Theion once had two Fetich Soul in his heart. Ligier and Ruvelia. So it is not out there that Sol could be welded into Malfeas. The Father reunited with his Son/Sun.
Also, honestly I think that Sol is more fitting to be the Ebon Dragon's Fetich Soul if anything else. Eddie based off his entire being off Sol. It would be detrimental to him if Sol were to die permanently.
Not confirming anything but I can just imagine the reaction of the White Council high essence Molly going: Open the Outer Gates I need to invade the Outside to end entropy!
Virgin White Council: Nooooo, you can't just turn into a Titan! We need to keep the secrecy of magic!!!
Chad Molly Carpenter: Hahahaha, Triumphant-Howl of the Devil Tiger go brrrr
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Honestly, I think Ebon would be up for welding Sol into Malfeas.
He can humiliate Malfeas by making it so he has to get help, be permanently and metaphysically connect with his rebel creation that took a huge part in causing his mutilation, he can reflect the new Virtue+Ultra powerful being that comes out to be an even deeper darkness,
And he never let himself by stopped by transgressions or horrific stuff. He's like the one Primordial that has stuff like becoming a Creature of Death and learning Necromancy from the Whisper, I think. So weird, mutant Yozi stuff wouldn't stop him if he thought he could come out better. Whether its true...
He would totally do it even if Sol was his own Fetich imo.
Edit: I guess its possible due to this that Ebon is the Devil? Lucifer is around in Dresden but how that mess works in normal Dresden is a mystery.
Exalted complicates it more.
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