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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
The time of Judgement has begun. The wheat will be sifted from the chaff. Let the wise man watch and listen.
Shhhhhhhhhhhh. Stop telling them my secrets.Liar.
You crave violence just as much as I do.
- Location
- USA
So last roll tends to be the overall results and a tie there means it is down to modifiers and I think we have more, so a narrow edge for us
The flip side is we get more mit up front by doing the other actions into harvesting tendrils which is probably a bigger benefit since we are losing long term against tiberium
Based on discord chat (which is of course subject to change) it's spend STUs to get significant progress discounts on everything we build.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
@TripleTango keeps an up-to-date analysis sheet of our per-die costs, linked below. We're actually 12.5 RpT below meeting the average-cost-per-die this turn thanks to research options and the expensive Portal research, but that's close enough that either of the winning plans will bring us back well above said average next turn.
We just-now had ten Battle Rolls. For the global war that's happening right now. We don't yet know the outcome of those rolls because some of the (hidden) modifiers will depend on what projects we complete this turn. One of those rolls was 92 vs 92; even a single +1 from completing the last YZ Harvesting or completing a second GZ Harvesting project (or finishing all the Railgun Harvesters, or doing Ablat Plating) might matter, especially as the outcomes of said Battle Rolls are not just pass/fail but depend on the degree of how much we win or lose.
Wringing our hands over how exactly to eek out the maximal number of RpT makes sense for normal turns... but this isn't a normal turn. And nothing's stopping us from doing the Harvesting Tendrils next turn rather than this one.
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[x] Plan Mad Science Inbound- Tentacles and Phasers on Stun
[x] Plan Mad Science Inbound- Tentacles and Phasers on Stun, Better Dig In
[x] Plan Mad Science Inbound- Tentacles and Phasers on Stun, Better Dig In
- Location
- USA
This is a completely different argument than what has been discussed before.
I don't think it's really that compelling though.
We are doing pretty well on mitigation. And I don't think we have any intention of stopping.
But harvesting tendrils directly improves most of the actions we have that give mitigation. Except the ones like inhibitors and such.
Why not do the major improvement project that improves those and gives a ton of revenue at the point were we have the income to do the major improvement project and can put the extra income to other major expensive projects?
The mitigation will come. No doubts of that. But let's make those projects even more worthwhile before focusing on them.
I expect vein mining in particular to be revolutionized by harvesting tendrils since it practically eliminates the need for major earthmoving. We can just directly disassemble the tiberium and transport it without having to dig it out or manually separate it from other elements. Hypothetically.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Sure, but given our current income I would much prefer a round of mining actions first. Its not like Isolinear isn't likely to unlock further expensive projects will we will want to do and need to pay for. It's all about income on my end, the moment we have the spare extra ~60Rs (normal action is like 20R, two dice) I would happily invest them.
So four turns before plan end. Fair enough wanting to be cautious though two turns seem safe enough to me, but I would be perfectly happy voting for isolinear next turn should your plan with its Harvester Tendrils win, that should provide more than enough rpt to pay for it without having to pick low cost (and generally value) projects.
Yeah I know, I just think that if you have so few Rs that you have to pick low R actions, picking Tiberium mining low R actions seems like the worst possible choice bar emergency. Just invest in serious mining and do the expensive actions next turn.
This is a lot of high-minded rhetoric trying to draw sweeping implications about one single turn, in an active war, with rolls we just saw are obviously still a very active concern. I'm planning to start the tendrils in Q1 2061. I'm not opposed to working on the tendrils, in fact I think they're a soft requirement to get done by the end of the FYP so we have that "improved efficiency" ready to go when we start on our Red Zone offensive/super glacier income rush to get our budget back. But THIS TURN IN PARTICULAR is a special moment in time where the Brotherhood is still making dozens of rolls to contest us, and an extra +2 from a railgun harvester factory or an additional round of Green Zone intensification could make the difference in turning some of these battles into wins, or at least moving a breakpoint and going from a minor to a major victory, or a major to a minor defeat. This specific turn, Q4 2060, while we're in the middle of a giant war that's indisuputably still active, I don't think it's ignoring people's wellbeing to focus on some stuff that helps fight the war.
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[X] Plan Secure the Gains
I think this plan is more cognizant of the fact that the Regency War isnt over yet, compared to its rival.
And focuses its investments accordingly
For example, Ablat > Hallucinogens .
And its Tiberium investments support ongoing conflict and abatement better than going allin on Tendrils.
Also, its a small thing, but the subheaders makes it easier to track dice by sector.
Which helps
I am annoyed that nobody started the last frigate shipyard this turn, despite the math being very clear about it being a superior choice to a new CV yard, but I didnt have the time to argue for it.
[X] Plan Secure the Gains
I think this plan is more cognizant of the fact that the Regency War isnt over yet, compared to its rival.
And focuses its investments accordingly
For example, Ablat > Hallucinogens .
And its Tiberium investments support ongoing conflict and abatement better than going allin on Tendrils.
Also, its a small thing, but the subheaders makes it easier to track dice by sector.
Which helps
I am annoyed that nobody started the last frigate shipyard this turn, despite the math being very clear about it being a superior choice to a new CV yard, but I didnt have the time to argue for it.
- Location
- USA
Green rocks fall, everybody dies.
- Location
- ?????????
A clown show...or getting caught in a Tiberium storm.
- Location
- The Underdark
@Darkandus If you want to roll me some tib dice.
- Location
- USA
Fingers crossed. 😬
One comment for me to make.
It takes two sides to decide to stop fighting. We may be winding down our offensives, but the war isnt over yet. Nod is still fighting. They might still be fighting into the middle of next year. Building out to properly support the military in defending and holding its gains should take priority over introducing a new econotech with 25% of the budget.
Furthermore, I will point out that Tendrils does nothing for Tiberium abatement, and we're due for a new Tib roll this turn.
Thats why I voted for Secure The Gains, and why I think others should too.
It takes two sides to decide to stop fighting. We may be winding down our offensives, but the war isnt over yet. Nod is still fighting. They might still be fighting into the middle of next year. Building out to properly support the military in defending and holding its gains should take priority over introducing a new econotech with 25% of the budget.
Furthermore, I will point out that Tendrils does nothing for Tiberium abatement, and we're due for a new Tib roll this turn.
Thats why I voted for Secure The Gains, and why I think others should too.
If that battle roll that tied @ 92 for both of us is the global progress roll (which is what that slot in the roll order has been the past few turns so I feel safe betting on it) then Q4's going to be characterized by both teams putting their whole pussy into one big high effort last round for the year, decided solely by a contest of modifiers. The balance of the entire general conflict potentially hanging on who has the higher modifier sounds like the kind of situation that pumping our modifier as much as possible might help with, just saying, the Brotherhood didn't seem to get the memo that the war's over and we can do other things now.
I've switched votes several times now between the top two leading plans, but I feel deeply, deeply uncomfortable about arguing for one plan or another based on the early dice rolls.
We are lucky that they are being done now, as that speeds the update and gets us content faster. Using that benefit to try to alter our decision making seems... questionable, to me.
We are lucky that they are being done now, as that speeds the update and gets us content faster. Using that benefit to try to alter our decision making seems... questionable, to me.
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Start of Q4
Tiberium Spread
20.56 Blue Zone
2.65 Green Zone
22.65 Yellow Zone (94 Points of Abatement)
54.14 Red Zone (70 Points of Abatement)
Before mutation, Q4 projects and territory gains are applied:
GZ > BZ .69
RZ > YZ .39
Tiberium Spread
21.25 Blue Zone
1.96 Green Zone
23.04 Yellow Zone (94 Points of Abatement)
53.75 Red Zone (70 Points of Abatement)
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Plan Secure the Gains
- Location
- USA