Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

[x] Plan Mad Science Inbound- Tentacles and Phasers on Stun
[x] Plan Mad Science Inbound- Tentacles and Phasers on Stun, Better Dig In

We need to do the underground Tiberium stuff sooner rather then later. Because it's Tiberium under our living areas. Also we have no idea when or if a TCN will become available. I'd prefer not to have a mutation and have that stuff pop up.

[x] Plan Mad Science Inbound- Tentacles and Phasers on Stun
[X] Plan Mad Science Inbound (by Train)

TheFourthman said:

We need to do the underground Tiberium stuff sooner rather then later. Because it's Tiberium under our living areas. Also we have no idea when or if a TCN will become available. I'd prefer not to have a mutation and have that stuff pop up.

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Then you want the mad science and tentacles plan? Goes hard on harvesting tendrils to improve Tiberium harvesting at the start of next plan.

Hazard said:

We can also put dice into Fortress Towns to secure the GZs better so raiding is harder, fund tentacles, and after completing that, as I said, run railgun harvesters anyway.

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Very true. It's a matter of what issues we think are more urgent/vital, and at this level it's kinda a judgement call.

One thing I would like to encourage people who vote early, is to check back in a day later, and see if any plans they like better have shown up, and approval vote them as well. Especially even if they only have a few votes. Because often a plan I prefer is a later revision of one of the first ones to come out, but later plans often have trouble getting the votes to overcome an earlier plan's lead.

bigking321 said:

Then you want the mad science and tentacles plan? Goes hard on harvesting tendrils to improve Tiberium harvesting at the start of next plan.

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Hey, I want to go really hard on tentacles to improve Tiberium harvesting starting next turn.

Lightwhispers said:

One thing I would like to encourage people who vote early, is to check back in a day later, and see if any plans they like better have shown up, and approval vote them as well. Especially even if they only have a few votes. Because often a plan I prefer is a later revision of one of the first ones to come out, but later plans often have trouble getting the votes to overcome an earlier plan's lead.

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On that note, the vote is currently tied at 40 to 39 votes. Every single vote could count, and there's less than 8 hours left. (And Lightwhispers, I don't believe that Plan Secure the Gains + Fortresses has any chance anymore. Would you be interested in voting for Plan Secure the Gains?)

I dedicate this day, the Sixth of May, to Brotherhood.
To Unity.
To Peace.

EDIT: Amen.

Wait what's this?
It is the Revenge of the Sixth.
Peace through Power.

EDIT: IN THE NAME OF KANE.

[X] Plan Secure the Gains

It is finished. Your butts may begin to unclench now.

That was a lot of assassination rolls...

Hell yeah, deadlock dice. On high rolls too, whatever battle that is will be a bloodbath on both sides

welp 2 and 3 are probably dead even with our bonuses to defense.
5 im pretty sure lives, since I think we got those counter assassin teams a while back(gave +5 to counter assasination rolls I believe).
4/6 could live since they are only 6 points below with that +5.

So 4 fairly definitely victories, 4 maybe draws/losses (depending on bonuses), 1 very close victory/draw (depending on bonuses), and overall war roll is a tie.

And good god, assassinations are a go this round. I wonder who we lost. Looks like (depending on any bonuses) 2 definite, 2 probable, 1 maybe, and 1 probable failed assassination?

Alright I'll approval vote. My plan is this:

[X] Plan Winding Down The Disparities
Infrastructure 6/6 Dice + 4 Free Dice 165 Resources:
-[X] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) (Updated) 112/300 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 60 Resources
-[X] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 5) (Updated?) 39/325 15 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 60 Resources
-[X] Tokyo Harbor Reconstruction (New) 0/360 15 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 45 Resources
Heavy Industry 5/5 Dice 140 Resources:
-[X] Advanced Alloys Development (New) (Tech) 0/120 15 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
-[X] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Development 0/80 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
-[X] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr (New?) 0/320 50 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 100 Resources
Light and Chemical Industry 5/5 Dice 105 Resources:
-[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 94/300 15 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 45 Resources
-[X] Bergen Superconductor Foundry (Phase 1) 71/95 30 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 60 Resources
Agriculture 4/4 Dice 50 Resources:
-[X] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 3) (Updated?) 30/140 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
-[X] Freeze Dried Food Plants 126/200 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
Tiberium 7/7 Dice 110 Resources:
-[X] Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Phase 10) 174/350 20 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 40 Resources
-[X] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 6) 46/100 15 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
-[X] Tiberium Processing Refits (Phase 5) 6/100 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[X] Railgun Harvester Factories
--[X] Bissau 0/70 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Porto 44/70 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
Orbital Industry 6/6 Dice + 1 Erewhon Die 140 Resources:
-[X] Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting (Phase 1) 0/150 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 60 Resources
-[X] Lunar Heavy Metals Mines (Phase 3) 217/375 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice + 1 Erewhon Die = 80 Resources
Services 5/5 Dice 85 Resources:
-[X] Automatic Medical Assistants 101/300 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 60 Resources
-[X] Hallucinogen Development 0/60 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
-[X] Less Lethal Security Electrolaser Development (New) (Platform) 0/50 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
Military 8/8 Dice + 3 Free Dice 190 Resources:
-[X] Wingman Drone Deployment (High Priority)
--[X] Firehawk Wingmen Drones 215/450 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 60 Resources
-[X] Railgun Munitions Development 0/60 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
-[X] Ablat Plating Deployment (Stage 5) 54/200 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
-[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority)
--[X] Nagoya 0/240 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 60 resources
-[X] Shark Class Frigate Shipyards (High Priority)
--[X] Melbourne 172/300 20 Resources per Die, 2 Dice = 40 Resources
Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice:
-[X] Security Reviews Bureaucracy 1+2 Die
-[X] Interdepartmental Favors 1 Die

165+140+105+50+110+140+85+190 = 985/985

So this plan has:

- 3 Dice on Yellow Zone Fortress Towns for a 95% chance and an Average DC of 24 that we still have Intesification of Green Zone Harvesting to do next turn.
- 4 Dice on Rail Network Construction Campaigns for a 87% chance and an Average DC of 34 to complete and get us enough rail for the last Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting phase of this war.
- 3 Dice on Tokyo Harbor Reconstruction (New) for a 28% chance and an Average DC of 81 to complete this turn and a 71% chance and an Average DC of 61 to complete next turn because:

Ithillid said:

[ ] Allocate Resources to Reconstruction Commissions (New)
Rather than directly dictating from the top down the projects that require the highest priority, and surging resources to fix them, a more general reservation of resources to solve these problems can speed the repair of damages across the Initiative, rather than focusing potentially excessive amounts of energy on individual projects that may or may not be worth pursuing.
-[X] Maximal (30 resources per turn)

An outpouring of resources has gone to the various local commissions and committees that manage reconstruction. However, much of this funding, at least from the early reports, is actually not going into rebuilding immediate damages. Rather, much of it has gone to various forms of deferred upkeep, refugee management, and a number of other projects, most too small scale for the Treasury to bother managing directly. Most of this is due to GDI simply not needing much in the way of actual reconstruction, and instead having a significant problem with deferred maintenance, some of which has been offset since the end of the Third Tiberium War a decade ago. Other parts are problems where the Initiative and the Treasury have simply not gotten around to fixing them, like intersections that tend to produce traffic jams, undersized roads, and train stations with poor connections to other means of transit. While all of these projects will be useful small scale operations, their overall impact is going to be seen in the aggregate more than anything else.

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we are plugging the too small to notice holes with our Reconstruction Commissions and should still plug the holes big enough to be noticed by us so we can either get those 30 RpT back before reallocation or have those smaller problems fixed sooner so that the overall quality of our infrastructure rises. Either way this helps us with reallocation by either giving us back 30 and then 9 RpT sooner or by counting as a part of the already reallocated resources next reallocation by decreasing the need for more resources for post-war(s) reconstruction.

As a reminder I don't expect any action with an Average DC over 70 to complete the turn of the plan it is taken with.

- 1 Die on Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Development for a 70% chance and a DC of 36 to complete because it is a plan goal now.
- 2 Die on Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr for a 2/4 Median and no DC to complete because it is a plan goal now and an expensive one so it needs to be slow rolled as fast as possible.

- 3 Dice on Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) for a 74% chance and an Average DC of 40 to complete because that will combined with the Agriculture actions remove our need for more Food production till the end of the plan unless we get a lot more refugee surges in which case we'll need just a few Agriculture Dice.
- 2 Die on Bergen Superconductor Foundry for a 100% chance and an Average DC of 1 to complete Phase 1 and a 13% chance and an Average DC of 76 to complete Phase 2 because this bastard is expensive.

- 3 Dice on Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays for a 100% chance and an Average DC of 8 to complete Phase 3 and a 42% chance and an Average DC of 55 to complete Phase 4 and remove our need for more Food production til the end of the plan which means we need on average 16 Dice to complete the Agriculture plan goals. We have that without any free dice already.
- 1 Die on Freeze Dried Food Plants for a 66% chance and a DC of 35 to complete and get us some food and better stockpile action quality.

- 2 Die on Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Phase 10) for a 67% chance and an Average DC of 42 to complete and get us one last push so we can finish off that North-West American fight and then sit down to digest our gains.
- 2 Die on Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting for a 100% chance and an Average DC of 1 to complete Stage 6, 82% chance and an Average DC of 30 to complete Stage 7 and a 8% chance and an Average DC of 80 to complete Stage 8. Stage 8 needs Phase 6 of Fortress Towns completed which this plan does. I am not putting more dice here because of the possibility of overcompletion.
- 1 Die on Phase 5 of Tiberium Processing Refits for a 61% chance and a DC of 40 to complete them before we have to deal with whatever improvements Basic Tiberium Studies gets us.
- 1 Die each on the remaining Railgun Harvester Factories. Bissau has a 85% chance and a DC of 16 to complete while Porto has a 100% chance and a DC of 1 to complete.

- 3 Dice on Lunar Rare Metals Harvesting for a 97% chance and an Average DC of 19 to complete Phase 1 and a 22% chance and an Average DC of 64 to complete Phase 2. I'm expecting both phases to complete with this plan and if Phase 2 is not done we can throw 1 Die it's way next turn.
- 3 Dice and 1 Erewhon Die on Lunar Heavy Metals Mines for a 100% chance and an Average DC of 14 to complete Phase 3. Multiply 196 with 196 then divide with 108​ then multiply by a 100 to see the actual percentage of failure of this action if you are interested.

- 3 Dice on Automatic Medical Assistants for a 83% chance and an Average DC of 35 to complete this action because we will need that +5 Health next turn.
- 1 Die on Hallucinogen Development for a 88% chance and a DC of 18 to complete it and get us another + Health option. Hopefully. It might Just be a + Political Support/Mental Health action.
- 1 Die on Less Lethal Security Electrolaser Development (New) (Platform) for a 98% chance and a DC of 8 to complete. Better tasers. May get us +Health but I'm not counting on it. Gets us better security though.

- 3 Dice on Firehawk Wingmen Drones for a 57% chance and an Average DC of 48 to complete. We need these, but using 4 Dice is overkill when we have so many other things we need to finish in Military actions.
- 1 Die on Railgun Munitions Development for a 87% chance and a DC of 19 to complete because is a plan goal that may need as much work put into it as Shell Plants.
- 2 Die on Ablat Plating Deployment for a 70% chance and an Average DC of 40 to complete another plan goal and get Ground Forces what they need to start digging in after this offensive.
- 3 Dice on Nagoya Escort Carrier Yards for a 54% chance and an Average DC of 49 to complete because 4 Dice would be overkill and this is the closest shipyard to Bitang's operational zone which makes this the perfect time to build it while she is licking her wounds.
- 2 Die on Melbourne Shark Frigate Shipyards for a 82% chance and an Average DC of 31 to complete. Sadly can't do this with 1 Die with any reasonable expectation of it finishing with this plan.

- 3 Dice on Security Reviews in Bureaucracy before to make sure it's still clean before we start doing other actions in it.
- 1 Die in Interdepartmental Favors because no one has told me it is something other than RpT into other departments and picking up some more projects to do.

And then the leading plan that gets my approval vote:

[X] Plan Secure the Gains

Because securing our new harvesting space is a time sensitive matter that has to be done this turn. @Simon_Jester I want those Harvesting Tendrils as soon as possible, but I don't consider them possible this turn without a too high opportunity cost.

I think the opportunity cost for tendrils is in not doing them fast enough. The faster they are finished the longer we have the revenue to play with and the sooner every harvesting action we have improves.

dbRevned said:

welp 2 and 3 are probably dead even with our bonuses to defense.
5 im pretty sure lives, since I think we got those counter assassin teams a while back(gave +5 to counter assasination rolls I believe).
4/6 could live since they are only 6 points below with that +5.

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We only get that +5 on Treasury targets, we don't know who any of the targets were.

Phht said:

So 4 fairly definitely victories, 4 maybe draws/losses (depending on bonuses), 1 very close victory/draw (depending on bonuses), and overall war roll is a tie.

And good god, assassinations are a go this round. I wonder who we lost. Looks like (depending on any bonuses) 2 definite, 2 probable, 1 maybe, and 1 probable failed assassination?

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IIRC, assassinations require a certain ratio of victory to kill the targets, so here's my estimate:
Target 1: fine (78 - 61, GDI win by 17)
Target 2: DED (16-70, NOD win by 54)
Target 3: Also DED (8-50, NOD win by 42)
Target 4: severely wounded, if not dead (59-70, NOD win by 11)
Target 5: Probably okay, might be injured (51-55, NOD win by 4)
Target 6: severely wounded, if not dead (60-71, NOD win by 11)

For the battles: (ignoring modifiers)
Battle Roll 1:
89 24 GDI win by 65
Battle Roll 2:
44 75 NOD win by 31
Battle Roll 3:
89 32 GDI win by 57
Battle Roll 4:
17 5 GDI win by 12
Battle Roll 5:
57 86 NOD win by 29
Battle Roll 6:
72 28 GDI win by 44
Battle Roll 7:
45 81 NOD win by 36
Battle Roll 8:
37 69 NOD win by 32
Battle Roll 9:
79 22 GDI win by 57
Battle Roll 10:
92 92 Tie - modifiers decide. Likely to be either very bloody, or pretty much nothing. Or, possibly something where there are asymmetrical objectives, so both GDI and NOD can have a win.

KnightDisciple said:

To Peace.

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Liar.

You crave violence just as much as I do.

[X] Plan Secure the Gains

Nod only won by <20% on Targets 4 and 6. Although that is before modifiers.
They might be wounded, but they are probably otherwise fine.
IIRC, there are multiple steps per category, including whether the agents escape or die after inflicting the damage.

Battle Rolls:

+65 GDI Win
-31 NOD Win
+57 GDI Win
+12 Narrow GDI Win?
-29 NOD Win
+44 GDI Win
-36 NOD Win
-32 NOD Win
+57 GDI Win
0 Narrow ???

We have 4-5 GDI Wins, 4 NOD Wins, and one depends-on-the-modifiers. I believe the last Battle Roll is always the overall progress, so a near-tie isn't so bad there... if it wasn't 92 vs 92, which might mean a lot of big impressive things happened even if the overall progress was low.

On the whole, though, it might be an even exchange? Not much taken or lost? I think we'll have to wait and see.

Assassination Rolls:
+17 GDI Win
-54 NOD Win
-42 NOD Win
-11 Narrow survival or narrow death
-4 Narrow survival?
-11 Narrow survival or narrow death

We have two certain deaths, and two-three uncertain conflicts. At best, that's two deaths and three injuries. At worst, it's five deaths. NOD really did us in with the assassinations this turn.

[X] Plan Mad Science Inbound- Tentacles and Phasers on Stun

It looks like the gdi wins were all by higher margins than the nod wins, except for the one narrow win.

So gdi Is winning harder than nod is winning.

That's good news I suppose.

GDI wins assassinations so long as the end result has GDI at at least half of Nod's result.
Every assassination roll where GDI rolls 50 or higher GDI wins, unless Nod stacks bonuses.

Note that 'win' for GDI in this case means 'target not dead'.

Enerael said:

I don't think I ever called it a waste, I very much want to do them both, I am just opposed to doing it now due to the Resource cost and a bunch of critical projects or low hanging fruit we could be doing instead.

I know. Reminds of me of hover tech btw, which has been let to lie idle for a few turns now.

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Hover tech suffered from the fact that it competes for dice with Nuuk (which we needed for Capital Goods) and the huge amount of fusion power we've needed to roll out to power all the war factories we're building. I actually have high hopes that we'll build Suzuka in 2061, because it's relatively cheap per-die and we have wiggle room unless the industrial lasers project turns out to be a LOT bigger than I expect, big enough to make it retroactively a trap option.

I didn't have time to answer this post before going to sleep yesterday. I recall reading that they are very self sufficient and should not have any problems for I think years? Sure those shuttles would be useful, but no action we have wont be.

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Shuttles are one of the few actions we have that specifically help BZ-18, which is exceptionally important if we take it as given that some combination of {Krukov, Afghan Nuke Warlord whose name I forget, Nod India} is going to commit to sieging down BZ-18 at all costs in the coming years.

Personally I suspect that the siege will peter out over time. Krukov's going to be too busy trying to shore up his position after Steel Vanguard. Nod India has to get across the Himalayas to even get at BZ-18 and is thus painfully overextended trying to hurt them efficiently. Afghan Nuke Warlord hasn't lasted all these decades by getting into fights that might draw him a lot of aggro if he happens to win, and he's almost certainly been greatly weakened by the loss in support from the Caravanserai and the conversion of just about all of Iran into Red Zone.

But I want us to be totally prepared for me to be wrong about this... and Suborbital Shuttles is on the very short list of projects we have that would have an obvious way to help address that problem. Aside from "wait for Karachi," of course, which could plausibly be another three years down the line, which is a long time to wait while under siege with Nod trying to dream up superweapons to huck at you.

We have time to do it though, we should be doing what gives us the greatest expected return per die/Rs until like two turns before the end of the plan I say, as we can reliably and without overspending know it out in one go then. Unless of course we have spare Rs, in which case we can send them that way, but my plan at least didn't.

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Getting Anadyr done sooner rather than later does have real advantages. For instance, there may be a project enabled by Anadyr that we very much want to pursue... but will be unable to afford in 2062. Getting Anadyr out of the way in 2061Q2 or so could give us a lot of advantages that will be beneficial going into the Fourth Plan.

Also, with very expensive but mandatory projects like Anadyr, I REALLY don't want to be in the position of having to roll extra dice in 2061Q4 to be sure they complete. If I have to drop a couple of extra Free dice on Enterprise to give it a 99% chance of completion on schedule or something, I can work with it; that's supportable within the budget. If I have to drop an extra die on Anadyr for the same purpose, it's a big pain in the butt.

Railgun Harvesters are so cost inefficient that just mining the red zone and being more vulnerable to sabotage should have us come out on top income wise by my estimation.

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Eh. A railgun harvester factory pays for itself in two turns (if you roll well) or four turns (if you roll poorly). This is consistent with the overall cost patterns for most Tiberium projects. For instance, a vein mine typically requires 2-3 dice, or 40-60 R, to build; it returns 20-30 RpT, so it pays off in about two turns. Red Zone Containment Lines take 2-3 dice, or 50-75 R, to build; they return 10-15 RpT, so they pay off in about five turns.

What railgun harvesters are, is dice-costly and Energy-costly, in that you're activating a Tib die for just +5 RpT and some narrative benefits about Nod raiding getting knocked back on its heels. But Resource-wise, they're not a bad investment at all compared to other Tiberium projects, that is to say, they're quite good.

I am not against security sweeps, I am all for doing one per turn, but they haven't turned up anything in ages that I recall and we have been repeatedly postponing those two important looking bureaucracy actions. I should not have called them nothing though.

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Personally, I want to get those two particular sweeps done, then specifically do those Bureaucracy actions. The Heavy Industry sweep is to specifically look for Nod moles and agents in an area where we're about to do something very advanced and important that could give us a big advantage... If Nod doesn't just steal the tech and laugh all the way to the bank. The Bureaucracy sweep is because Nod really is capable of infiltrating us and if they're infiltrating the guys who handle all the departments' paperwork, things could get messy.

I actually did a crudely preliminary draft for 2061Q1 already... and it's got the economic census in it. I want to hold off on the civil satisfaction survey until closer to reallocation time, because the war and refugee situations settling down a bit will help give us better data there, and having information that's current as of the 2061Q4 reapportionment will help us pick Plan goals that we can rely on to keep the political situation happy.

Phalfpipe said:

Deal with blue zone siege and the massive insurgency first

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One die on Suborbital Shuttles doesn't "deal with" the BZ-18 siege; we need to be able to fund more dice to get that done- which is one advantage of doing a serious income surge. And the handful of extra Tiberium dice spent on Yellow Zone Harvesting and Green Zone Intensification don't "deal with" the massive insurgency; subduing that will take several turns if not several years either way. We can't go on prioritizing those issues over all other things (like the civilian economy and tech development) forever.

HousePet said:

Tendrils aren't about the resource increase. They are about the increased efficiency of future mining. If we just wanted money to go up, Vein Mining is cheaper.

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Tendrils are close to vein mining for "money go up." I've repeatedly suggested vein mining dice spam as a plausible alternative if people are interested. If anyone had suggested slamming out 3-4 phases of vein mines this turn, I'd probably have approval-voted that plan.

There are differences between the two options- vein mining is a little more pure resource return on investment but burns Capital Goods, while tendrils burns STUs but has some statistical advantages for the future as you say.

And I expect the other Departments would be very disappointed by your talk of gaming the system. They have armed forces to resupply, and a huge wave of refugees in need of aid.

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I'm not even talking about "gaming the system," I'm talking about "get ready to do a shitload of extra tiberium mining early in 2062. If you look back, you will notice me suggesting things that the other departments would love to hear. Stuff like "hey, let's try to deliberately over-achieve on our Income target for the Four Year Plan so that there'll be more money to go around!"

sunrise said:

I am seeing this:
[ ] Advanced Alloys Development (New) (Tech)
While STUs are rare, using extremely small amounts as additives to existing steel, aluminum, and other structural elements has noticeable impacts on the process, producing alloys that are lighter, stronger, and more efficient than existing ones. While widespread deployment will be noticeably expensive, it will cut costs across the board in other ways.
(Progress 0/120: 15 resources per die)

in far fewer plans then i expected as it reads as a reduction of progress needed for all projects costing STU's
alloys that are lighter, stronger, and more efficient than existing ones also seem like a good upgrade for our military and space construction where weight to preformace matters a lot.

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I'm not seeing this as a reduction of progress for projects costing STUs. I'm seeing this as "creating options to use STU-containing materials in things."

The problem is that we're starting to push up against the line where we run low on STUs and don't have a very efficient way of getting a lot more, so I'm a bit cautious about that project. Expect it to show up sooner or later, but there's so goddamn much to do that it's unrealistic to expect people to put every new research project you think is sexy into their plans the very first turn it becomes available.

Oledoms said:

To be fair though, @Simon_Jester 's plan is really good, the primary reason for the dislike seems to be Tokyo which does not benefit GDI much ...

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Again, I'm going to respectfully push back on this. Tokyo reconstruction dice do three good things:

1) They increase general perception that Treasury is very active about repairing war damage. This was one of the things people complained about under the Granger Treasury, and while we had our reasons, we don't have those reasons anymore.

2) They greatly narrow the window of vulnerability during which Nod naval activity in the Pacific can exploit the weakness of our fleet basing situation. This is important because while we hope Bintang's fleet is too beaten up to do anything for at least 18-24 months, we cannot possibly know that, and some components of Bintang's fleet (like her submarines and submarine-Kelpie-carriers) got out of the recent battle entirely intact.

3) They result in the overall war damage being repaired sooner, which hopefully means we get back the reconstruction fund money, which would be great because I'd hate to still be budgeting 30 RpT to reconstruction projects through 2062.

Hazard said:

Also, why is any plan putting dice on Tokyo?

Never mind enough dice to one turn it?

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See above.

What happened in Tokyo is literally the reason we massively funded the Reconstruction Commissions, so we didn't need to put dice on it. If we wanted to micromanage reconstruction efforts we should defund the RCs and just waste dice we could use far more efficiently on trying to get things fixed up.

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The Reconstruction Commission didn't cost us dice.

It was a very efficient way to handle small projects like the Puerto Madryn and Western Europe reconstructions, projects where spending even a single Heavy Industry die would be overkill. But in the 2060Q3 plan, we put dice on Indianapolis for good strategic reasons- because that repair was urgent, relevant to the military situation, and larger in scale such that the Reconstruction Commission would take too long to finish.

The Tokyo repairs are the same thing.

The RC is very good for ensuring that the dozen little projects around the world that are all too petty to be worth our attention get handled smoothly in the background.

Tokyo is probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest, surviving urban center(s) in all of GDI's territory. Damage to Tokyo on this scale is not a minor project, and merits actual attention from the Treasury at the global level. This isn't just some random suburb asking for help with potholes.

Derpmind said:

"Make a profit" does not matter anymore. We are not resource limited. We're dice limited. More Resources no longer means more actions being done. We've gotten to the point during this Four-Year-Plan where we've flipped the game. We have Plans right now that can afford to do said "Expensive Stuff". Just because we can't activate literally every single most expensive project simultaneously doesn't mean we don't have enough to do those projects anyways! At some point, more resources ceases to make a sizeable impact, and we're well past then already.

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Having the extra 100 or so RpT makes a major difference in how much expensive stuff we can do this coming year.

The realistic minimum average cost per die to activate our dice is something like 15 R/die, because we have so many 20 R/die mandatory projects that even if we're very careful to scrimp elsewhere, averaging below 15 R/die is effectively impossible.

We have 54 dice, counting Erewhon. The minimum to activate all dice is thus something in the neighborhood of 810 R, probably a little over because it's hard to balance out the fact that we have 6-7 dice of mandatory Orbital and several dice of mandatory 20 R/die Military every turn.

So our budget for things that we might call "expensive projects," things like Bergen and Red Zone operations and Anadyr and portals and research gachas and suborbital shuttles and naval laser refits?

When we're at 1010 RpT, our 'extras' budget is about 200 RpT. Which doesn't stretch very far when you count all the stuff I just listed.

Boosting that budget to 1110 RpT means a lot more of that expensive stuff can get done, because now you have 300 RpT of discretionary spending- a lot more wiggle room.

Planquests are all about balancing between competing needs. Right now, even with the forward advance largely ending, the military's needs are still sky-high. And the Treasury's need for more RpT isn't anything more than 'mild'. We're still going to go over 1,000 RpT at the end of this turn. And as soon as next turn, we're very likely to do the Harvester Tendrils for their long-term economic benefits. I know more Resources makes our Numbers Go Up, but when doing so comes at the expense of helping the war effort wind down gracefully (or rather, to avoid a messy belly-flop,) then it looks to me like putting abstract numbers over the actual narrative of what's happening on the ground. It's not our job to make profits. It's our job to manage the economy. And right now, the economy would very much like not being punched in the face.

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The economy would also like to see enough GDP growth to compensate for the fact that we are now per about 100 million more capita, with corresponding strain on the everything.

We're trying to improve standard of living alongside everything else. That's partly a matter of just making Housing/Food/Consumer Goods/Health numbers go up, but I'm pretty sure it also objectively makes a difference whether we have 300 RpT of quarterly income per hundred million citizens or 400 RpT.

Doing more tiberium mining isn't just a matter of making a spreadsheet happy. It's the cornerstone of our whole economy, and improvements there cash out everywhere else- and they will do so soon, with reapportionment coming up.

Hazard said:

The strike on Tokyo also focused on military manufacturing and basing, the damage to the infrastructure of the city is minimal and easily fixed.

Look, I'm not opposed to putting 1 die on Tokyo Reconstruction. I consider it unnecessary, but I can see why it seems like a good idea. Frankly, I'd rather force the military to diversify its basing options so they expand or establish naval bases on Kyushu or Shikoku, instead of Tokyo getting hammered apparently being enough to pull a notable amount of military basing away from Japan until basing in Tokyo is rebuild

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unfortunately, we don't have a button to push to allow us to do that, so we're stuck playing the hand we're dealt.

TheFourthman said:

We need to do the underground Tiberium stuff sooner rather then later. Because it's Tiberium under our living areas. Also we have no idea when or if a TCN will become available. I'd prefer not to have a mutation and have that stuff pop up.

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You can expect me to put vein mining on a large scale in a Plan some time in 2061. I don't know when. If it doesn't win or if I feel compelled to change my mind, you can definitely expect it on the docket for 2062. Because I don't disagree with you even as I'm juggling many things.