Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

I hope Ling Qi mentions how interesting it would be to see Weilu blend with Imperial settlements. Wink wink, nudge nudge, come hither, gimme traditional Emerald Seas civil development practices and some of those misty maze like warding schemes. If the Meng Reformers are interested in developing and modernizing the old ways then where better to showcase it's viability than in a young fief under the direct supervision of the Cai heir.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

We have the rare chance to build a connection to a powerful person, both personally and politically. Those are the kind of option the sect road would have thrown at us a lot more than the white sky road. We should take the chance.
And if we somehow manage to get some Meng resources for the development of our liminal carving ... that can boost our fumbling early steps quite a bit.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

I'm wary of the capital and the attention it could bring that early, bot for LQ and Hanyi. Slow and steady win the race, and more support from the Meng cannot disserve us.
 
Well no, for me it's voting to not use our Junior Sister and her hard earned success as a pawn in thinly veiled political ploy. Much less without her input in the matter at all. I care much more about Hanyi than I do about Meng Diu's asperations for reform. You may have different priorities.
You say that like it is an option.
She is our little sister, politics is her life now.
To go to capital is to snub Meng Diu, not badly, we are not making her an enemy, but enough that it will take work to make her friend later.

You say this like it's so easy and so assured. I've tried to explain repeatedly why I don't personally think that it's so cut and dry. Talking down to me like I'm dim isn't going to magically make me see how this is 100% going to be perfect for Hanyi, who again is my main priority in this vote. Lets just agree to disagree so you can stop quoting me to lecture me ad nauseam about a vote you are winning in a landslide, lol.
No easier or more assured than going to capital.
Capital is not easy or without risks either.
Allowing Hanyi have a personal career is a major political move, doing so in the capital is going to bring notice, good and bad.

It was not my intent to lecture, but to discuss that choices offered, and i disagree that going to the capital is necessarily Hanyi's best interest, or that picking the Meng option is using her as a pawn.
But i'm willing to drop it if you don't want to talk about it.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
Meng Diu nodded slightly turning back toward the flower arrangement. "One in four of those whose voices matter, but success in our ventures grants legitimacy. Most can be convinced. We are not exempt from the charge that is in the air. The knowledge that the world is turning. Some oppose us, turning even further inward, but this path is not yet set in stone."

Meng Clan: 0
--Weilu Conservatives(50%): -1
--Weilu Reactionaries(25%): -2
--Weilu Reformers(25%): 2
"I understand," Ling Qi said slowly. In reaching out, those who wished to keep up with the world on their own terms hoped to gain further legitimacy for their movement. In this she, or rather Cai renxiang could be a rallying point. Look at us, their actions could say. The ways of our ancestors may still change the path of the province. "I will keep that in mind."

Ahhh... and this, I think, is the first place that we've been given a chance (or at least so obvious a chance) to influence not only the reaction numbers but the percentages.

[x] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

Potential for better long-term gains. Hany popularity progresses just fine on its own, and is better as a support for other things than as an end to itself.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

Meng lands are usually blocked off, so who knows when we'll get another oportunity to network there? We can always send Hanyi to the capital later, it's not like we aren't a direct retainer of a direct retainer of the Duchess.
 
[x] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

Not the time to cash in yet and get a boost of popularity I think. Let's build things up a bit more.
 
One more note to remember when considering the Hanyi's career or politics dichotomy.
Hanyi's career is intensively political.
Wether spirits like Hanyi or Zhengui count as people in their own right is very much at the heart of Imperial/Weilu divide.
And one benefit in starting smaller scale among the Meng, is that anyone trying to argue that Hanyi is not a person is going to be looked on very poorly, even by the people who don't like us.
In the capital, spirit personhood is going to be lot more controversial.
Not a major problem, but still something that might come up.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[x] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

helps our supporters in the Emerald Seas, helps the common people, and helps our little sister, everyone wins.
 
The Cataclysm slumbers
The Cataclysm Slumbers

Ozone, with its sweet pungent smell, assaulted Kestiln's nostrils as he stumbled forward onto the ground. Smiling, he twisted so that he could face the sky and the swaying canopy of leaves above him.

"I did it," he whispered to himself, "it wasn't a fluke."

Taking only a moment to gather his strength, he sat up to dust off his red and black doublet while gathering his bearings. Trees spread around him, thick enough so that he could see nothing else, but not enough to stop light from creeping through the canopy. Every breath he took carried with it the scents of loam and tree, and the wind carried upon it the chittering and chirping of smaller woodland creatures. Opening up his senses to the mana of the world, he felt the swirling green mana of the forest, and something else. In the distance, to the south, he could feel a steady pulse of green and red mana, like the heartbeat of a giant beast. Grinning, he flipped out his shadik knives for inspection. Finding none of them the worse for wear he slipped them back into their sheaths and began walking south.

Each step brought him closer to that pulsing source of power. Each skip further into the unknown. Every so often, as the trees parted in just the right way, he could see a looming mountain jut up from the forest's canopy. Larger than even then his old home, the Citadel, this monolithic formation scraped past the clouds which swirled around it. Jet black and spiked in peculiar ways, it was an odd rock formation. Kestiln also thought he saw a winding section similar to a large serpent in certain sections of the mountain, which just added to the mystery. Was it a titanic creature, like those that had been hunted to extinction on the first plane he had inadvertently traveled to? Was it a sacred site to this plane's religion? Carved and worked on by master artisans ever since its discovery, like his home had been? Was it something else, something wholly unique to this plane?

As the hours passed, the curiosity grew. It was larger by orders of magnitude than the mythologically titanic creatures of Plensdar, and the location was too unnatural to be a normal geological feature like his home. Which left something different, something outside of his knowledge and experiences. As he set down camp in the shade of this mountain, eating some freshly caught and cooked squirrel, he saw in the fading twilight veins of crimson dimly pulse between the jagged peaks he was traveling towards. In time with the pulses of mana he could feel.

The next day was largely the same, and the day after that. He walked towards the mountain of power to the south, taking detours to grab food and water from the areas he passed. Always the mountain grew bigger, the pulse of power stronger. Those were not the only changes though, the forest he walked through changed as well. It grew darker, thicker, and a white cool mist began to cling to the ground. It was, somewhat to his surprise then, that he suddenly the forest cleared away to reveal a low stone fence with a gate barring his path. Mist swirled past the gate, hiding everything beyond the fence in a white expanse of swirling clouds. More surprising were the two entities with polearms guarding the gate. Stout and muscled, with what appeared to be a turtle shell on their backs, they glared at Kestlin's approach.

"Good day my friends!" Kestlin began, "May I have the names of the fine gentleman guarding this gate?"

Each of the guards furrowed their brows and quirked their heads. They responded with a rumbling noise, something similar to the groans of stone under stress.

"Well… this is problematic."

One of the guards gave a sharp nod to the other and disappeared into the mists while the other shifted to cover the gate himself. Nodding to himself, Kestlin dropped to the ground and took a seat, carefully keeping himself from engaging in the habit of playing with his blades while waiting. Fortunately, it was not an overly long wait before the disappearing guard reappeared escorting someone else. Taking the shape of a human serpent, it spoke to the guards in a sibilant hiss before stepping past the gate and sitting down in front of him.

"So, are you the translator?"

Responding with a hiss, the creature made a beckoning motion with its hands.

"You want me to keep talking?"

Another hiss and the same motion came from the serpent.

Grinning, Kestlin began to speak of the wonders of his home. The towering pillars that an artisan must carve before being deemed a master, the works of smiths which meld shadow into metal, painters who capture glorious sunsets on canvas. Of the mountains that covered his homeland and the caves that carved through them. It took about an hour of regaling his host with the beauty and wonder of his home before a raised hand stopped him.

"Can you understand this?" The creature asked, with only a hint of a hiss on the last word.

"Yes! Wonderful. My name is Kestlin, my I have the honor of knowing yours?

"Kestlin? A good name. My name is Scholar Langar. What brings you to the Misted Garden?"

"Well, my good Langar, I was traveling through the forest to the north looking for inspiration when I sensed something to the south. Being the inquisitive sort that I am, I could not help but investigate to satisfy my curiosity!"

Tilting his head, Langar took a movement to respond, "My apologies for being circuitous before. I do wish to know what caused you to walk to this plane?"
Kestlin's grin became a tad sharper, "Would you believe happenstance?"

"Yes."

"Then it was happenstance."

"Well then," began Langar with a stretching smile, "welcome to the Misted Garden Kestlin, he who came here by happenstance. Are you here to visit or to continue traveling?"

"I could hardly pass up a chance to visit such a peculiar place!"

"Then I shall be your guide and the first to welcome you to the Misted Garden. Home of the Scholars and the Guardians. Resting place of the Living Mountain, the Dreaming Cataclysm, the Lords of the High Garden."


A/N: This omake is brought to you by MGTA and the idea of Zhengui being a planeswalker of massive size where he wakes up every so often and planeswalks to another plane, trying to get back to the world which he accidentally left when his spark ignited. While he dreams, guardians cultivate and protect the area around him while Scholars try to figure out how to get Zhengui back. When he wakes he engages his spark which causes a cataclysm in the plane he is leaving.
 
While I don't think either of these choices is really slow boating Hanyi's career, I think we should consider actually doing so going forwards.

Not enough to sabotage her or oppose her desires, but enough to let her develop them more. She might be a spirit, but she's also still a kid; she'll change and grow a lot in the next few years.

The earlier and greater the growth of her music career the higher the pressure and the lower the flexibility of her path becomes.

I expect that if we asked her about it she'd say she knows what she's doing and what she wants, but I don't think she really has the life experience to accurately project what she will want in a decade.

Ling Qi is effectively her parent, so it's our job to thread the needle of supporting her growth as a person without allowing her to rush headlong into something she'll regret.

I mean, think of all the child actors and singers who get crushed by roughly similar situations in real life. Hanyi has a family that actually cares about her, so she's much better off, but it could still get bad if we aren't careful.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

Ask about Western Fens and Foundation differences maybe?
 
I was planning on doing a breakdown of either option to point out some of the contours of the decision I think have been missed in the conversation since the update, but I've already stayed up way too late. So I'll just vote and add a few comments.

[X] Promotion in the capital (High boost to Hanyi popularity, no change in reformer support)

I think this choice is a bit awkwardly premature. Making a choice concerning the capital would have made more sense after we got the Diao information, since that's our most likely source for cultural and political context concerning the central region the capital sits at the north end of. We're unarmed approaching things in this order, and it's irritating. The other way that it's premature is that we're engaging in a choice over the direction of Hanyi's career without having had any followup on the sabotage investigation quest launched from her performance mini-arc.

We're making a pretty significant choice centered around Hanyi's music career, but the choice is unanchored to the actual narrative progression of her career or player knowledge about the regions at play. It's not surprising this is a one-sided stomp of a vote, there's no information to even speculate on the effects or benefits of picking the capital, because we know jack all about it. Ling Qi asserts that it "could do a great deal for her" but as voters we have zero context to what that could be, even what broad kind of benefit Ling Qi is even talking about. What's the purpose of Hanyi's career for us, even? This is a question that has fundamentally never been answered, or even adequately framed to the narrative as a question.

As for my actual reason for my vote, it's none of that. I'm voting for the capital because it's the funniest followup to the sabotage attempt possible. Take that, whoever tried to mess with us, now Hanyi's performing at the capital. This is a vote for unmitigated spite.
 
What's the purpose of Hanyi's career for us, even? This is a question that has fundamentally never been answered, or even adequately framed to the narrative as a question.

Hanyi's career for us is a way to give her an opportunity to express herself and grow up. The same way that building up and being future "king" of our fief will be for Zhengui. Do we even need anything else? Whatever political benefits we manage to wrangle out of it are secondary imo.

That said, I do believe that this career should be about Hanyi's benefit firstly. Therefore, she should get into capital on her own merits, not because someone wanted to butter Ling Qi up.

[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
Hanyi's career for us is a way to give her an opportunity to express herself and grow up. The same way that building up and being future "king" of our fief will be for Zhengui. Do we even need anything else? Whatever political benefits we manage to wrangle out of it are secondary imo.

That said, I do believe that this career should be about Hanyi's benefit firstly. Therefore, she should get into capital on her own merits, not because someone wanted to butter Ling Qi up.

[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
This view of Hanyi's career's goal/purpose is probably the dominant one among voters, and I find it perfectly fine.

The problem is it doesn't match the framing of Ling Qi's internal narrative preceding the vote options. There's some other there there, but its contours are frustratingly fuzzy for us. I'm not a fan of that when the rationale Ling Qi is operating under is the driving conceptualization behind one or more vote options. It means the chief goal behind a vote option is also effectively invisible. Bad way to do a vote. Harumph.
 
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