La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

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You are forgetting that the Mediterranean fleet at Toulon was saved by Napoleon m, so we have a much better fleet to work with.
First we need to recruit Privaters to raid the northern sea, this way most of the "RN rapid response will be away leaving us with more time for part 2
Treaty of Westphalia outlawed the use of privateers, and we have a bad enough reputation within Europe already.

alinating more nations would not help us.
Second we NEED to take malta and the port of Nicosia, the RN have no other base than those + Gibraltar, if we take them and hold them they can't stay in the Mediterranean sea, attrition will force them to leave and if we station our fleet in the harbour of Nicosia we can weather the storm
There is but one problem with that.

Holding them. The RN will fight like mad basterds to make sure those islands and ports stay in their hands. Because they know if they lose them, The Rock is all they got.

And that would put them in an incredibly tense situation.
 
There's little to be done with the navy situation, this we should focus on the other issue: supplies. Purchase from the locals, forage from the countryside (what little there is), and steal from the enemy.
 
You are forgetting that the Mediterranean fleet at Toulon was saved by Napoleon m, so we have a much better fleet to work with.

Treaty of Westphalia outlawed the use of privateers, and we have a bad enough reputation within Europe already.

alinating more nations would not help us.

There is but one problem with that.

Holding them. The RN will fight like mad basterds to make sure those islands and ports stay in their hands. Because they know if they lose them, The Rock is all they got.

And that would put them in an incredibly tense situation.
So the Privater are out of job............ let recruit them as "Auxiliary" and "Officier Replacement", seriously they all have military training, they can't go back to their old job since sea shipping is fuck up and we have a real need of oficer and master of ship.

And yes they will fight like demons, but did you hear of our Saviour "The Delaware drift mine" (invented during the American revolution ) I know I am reaching but I would love to see the Royal Navy positioning themself for a shore bombardment and watch as the french dump barrel into the sea right after the high tide.

( if I remember well Spain really want to take back the Rock............)

(About the treaty of Westphalia I assume you are not talking about the original one, from 1648 ?)
 
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And yes they will fight like demons, but did you hear of our Saviour "The Delaware drift mine" (invented during the American revolution ) I know I am reaching but I would love to see the Royal Navy positioning themself for a shore bombardment and watch as the french dump barrel into the sea right after the high tide.

The problem is not going to be shore bombardment of defended army positions. OTL, the French artillery dealt with that easily with heated shots as seen at Quiberon. The danger is going to be the RN landing raiding parties at will to cut our lines of communications and logistics as long as they are within reach of the shore.
 
The problem is not going to be shore bombardment of defended army positions. OTL, the French artillery dealt with that easily with heated shots as seen at Quiberon. The danger is going to be the RN landing raiding parties at will to cut our lines of communications and logistics as long as they are within reach of the shore.
It was mostly daydreaming ^^
But for real yes that tactics could be really difficult to defend against at chypre, but I don't think we need to hold the whole island, we only need to control the main city (Nicosia) and the bay (8 h of march)
And for malta, I don't think that raiding parties is a threat since we only need the harbor/city (i think) which we can easily fortify.
 
I am here once again to talk about the title of the threadmark this time : 7.4 life will change. witch is also a bad translation (la vie volonté évolution= life will(as in willpower) evolution) a more correct translation would be: La vie changeras. this is the end of your impromptu french lesson tank you

Hmm, what have philosophers and intellectuals been thinking about us and the figure we represent? Just a random though.
I imagine Jeanne d'Arc comparison are numerous we are defending France from foreign invaders after all. the national myth around her should already be strong enough and tying us in it shouldn't be hard. we just have to hear voices and put the king back on the throne, and we'll be canonized before we know it!
 
We basically need to settle for just taking Egypt, be Egyptian Suchet and pray that we somehow win the naval war.
 
Your detachment of the Army of the Rhine, along with 40,000 troops will be transferred to Toulon, and you will be given an independent command, to secure our interests in Egypt and if you are successful, continued interests in India.

Reward: You have been promoted to Générale de Division. You have been given independent command of the Army of Egypt.
This is....better than the news I was expecting if this backfired.
I'm down for whatever.

So long as we go about things intelligently and have some luck, this might not go as badly as we think.
It seems someone in Government wants you as far as possible from France.
pretty much the farthest we can go while still having at least some reliable supply lines
Those are not reliable supply lines. Men will starve. The question is how many, and how many before an alternate line of supply is established, if one is established at all.
1. Secure the Mediterranean, Red Sea, and Nile ports to transport men, supplies, and equipment across Egypt.

2. Secure Naval Vessels to transport the army to French Held Territory in India.

3. Take over India, or at the very least, find ways to disrupt British rule in India by way of diplomacy, armed conflict and other types of warfare, as well as making favorable trade deals with indian powers to gain huge quantities of wealth..

1. The Mediterranean would be hell to secure, the Red Sea is more doable, the Nile literally comes with the territory, if we can take it.

2. Insane, we should table that immediately until we have a reason to think it's possible.

3. Impossible without dice magic.
That is what your government wants. You, however, can have different goals, including straight up abandoning the campaign and doing something else,
force around 100,000 and see what you can do."

I have some fanciful ideas, but honestly we'll just have to see what we're dealing with when we make landfall.

Because that many men will be starving in a month if things don't go incredibly well.


Can we get an idea of what the children themselves would prefer?
I second this. I want to bring them with us because I don't trust France not to have some shenanigans go on.
de Lisle for logistics.

I agree.

Then we can think of fortifying the Sinai line and afterward pushing to the west
I'm seeing a lot of people talk about Libya and Tunisia like they're somehow safer or more sustainable than Egypt when it's the complete opposites.

If we have an easy opportunity to hit them, sure we should take them on in the Eastern Mediterranean, but it's not worth the time, money, and blood otherwise.
if we don't involve ourselves in religious controversy and don't try to set up any tax on the locals we should have a good headstart on the Ottoman.

After we're done eating them out of house and home it won't matter what else we've done to them.

Or, go north from Egypt into Greece

The Ottomans are not free real estate.

They will absolutely destroy us if we try something like that.
 
[X]Lisle and Academy
-[X]Captain Claude Joseph Rouget de Lisle: When you looked for a man to keep the Army fed, the weapons working, and a place to sleep, you turned to de Lisle. He was a master Engineer, a man who could make a loaf of bread last a week among twenty men with his expert rationing. He is not a man who will question your orders and provide a second opinion, something you desperately need. It is quite a shame that he is also a composer in his spare time, with a horrific singing voice. (Will automatically promote de Lisle to Colonel.)
-[X]Send them to the Academy: Louis has expressed a desire to become an officer, if not out loud, then in his actions learning from your men. Charlotte will follow him, care for him, and to learn from the Academies best. (This will send them to the Military School in Brienne, A School Napoleon recommended in a letter.)
 
[X] Chamans & Academy
-[X]Colonel Antoine Marie Chamans: The Man had been arguably your second in command throughout your first battles. An expert administrator, a competent officer in all fields of fighting, though his strength lied in artillery, and a man who more often than not, quelled the more brash heads of de Lisle and Severin when they both proposed plans that would not accurately and effectively use what you had. He is also a man you know can keep secrets, and that was worth almost as much as cannon on a hill.
-[X]Send them to the Academy: Louis has expressed a desire to become an officer, if not out loud, then in his actions learning from your men. Charlotte will follow him, care for him, and to learn from the Academies best. (This will send them to the Military School in Brienne, A School Napoleon recommended in a letter.)
 
There's little to be done with the navy situation, this we should focus on the other issue: supplies. Purchase from the locals, forage from the countryside (what little there is), and steal from the enemy.
Well there are also British supply bases all over the Mediteranian. and said supplies are vital to the Royal navy.
So the Privater are out of job............ let recruit them as "Auxiliary" and "Officier Replacement", seriously they all have military training, they can't go back to their old job since sea shipping is fuck up and we have a real need of oficer and master of ship.
Well... there is but one problem with that.

How much money are we willing to shill out for those men. Cause they are expensive and have fickle loyalty.
(About the treaty of Westphalia I assume you are not talking about the original one, from 1648 ?)
I think another one, but it could be as well.
The problem is not going to be shore bombardment of defended army positions. OTL, the French artillery dealt with that easily with heated shots as seen at Quiberon. The danger is going to be the RN landing raiding parties at will to cut our lines of communications and logistics as long as they are within reach of the shore.
And then there was a problem we can't just fortify against.

I am here once again to talk about the title of the threadmark this time : 7.4 life will change. witch is also a bad translation (la vie volonté évolution= life will(as in willpower) evolution) a more correct translation would be: La vie changeras. this is the end of your impromptu french lesson tank you
Yeah, I just googled it.
I imagine Jeanne d'Arc comparison are numerous we are defending France from foreign invaders after all. the national myth around her should already be strong enough and tying us in it shouldn't be hard. we just have to hear voices and put the king back on the throne, and we'll be canonized before we know it!
Eh... I really don't recommend going all Jeanne on everyone.

That story ends badly.
We basically need to settle for just taking Egypt, be Egyptian Suchet and pray that we somehow win the naval war.
Yeah, no way we can be an Egyptian Suchet... not unless we actually roll nat 100's every time we interact with the locals.
This is....better than the news I was expecting if this backfired.
I'm down for whatever.

So long as we go about things intelligently and have some luck, this might not go as badly as we think.
You are in an impossible situation... How is that a good thing?

I mean, sure we can possibly make it work, but it's still a very long shot.
Those are not reliable supply lines. Men will starve. The question is how many, and how many before an alternate line of supply is established, if one is established at all.
Well there are a few ideas... just not very good ones.
1. The Mediterranean would be hell to secure, the Red Sea is more doable, the Nile literally comes with the territory, if we can take it.
I mean, that depends on what you want... what your government wants is completely different.
2. Insane, we should table that immediately until we have a reason to think it's possible.
I mean... there are red sea pirates whom the Egyptians need dealt with.

Take that as what you will.
3. Impossible without dice magic.
Looks at the quest so far.

Looks at America Rolls.

I mean... we've seen some dice magic.

You just need it on your own side.
I have some fanciful ideas, but honestly we'll just have to see what we're dealing with when we make landfall.
Mind sharing a few of them?
Because that many men will be starving in a month if things don't go incredibly well.
1 Quarter. You have exactly 1 quarter to secure supplies or start forging off the land.
I second this. I want to bring them with us because I don't trust France not to have some shenanigans go on.
Well... it also opens up interesting possiblities.

And dangers.
The Ottomans are not free real estate.
ARE YOU SURE? :V
 
[X] Chamans & Academy

Best option for an second in command in my opinion(most well rounded and has an calm personality) and best to send the kids off to school because it's too dangerous to have them come with us to Egypt and while I wouldn't mind having Napoleon marry our character one day. I also don't trust the children near him so we can't send them to Brian and it's be stupid to send them to any surviving family they'd just smuggle them out of the country and cause a whole host of issues for France down the line. So sending them to the academy is for the best they'll get an amazing education there won't be in any danger and be out of public eye for the most part allowing them to grow in relative safety.
 
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Mind sharing a few of them?

If we're can take Egypt, we immediately push North into the levant. Syria and Palestine have good land and if we're going to be eating off of other people's plates, we should have a few plates to choose from so we don't pick them all dry.

If things are stable, we could have our men repairing/building irrigation networks, policing the most important roads... basically the idea is that once we set ourselves up and we're actually safe do so, we start digging in and preparing for a long haul.

Even if we're to follow the Directorates mission, cracking India would take a long time. If we're doing what we can to stay alive indefinitely, it might be even longer.

So we should get to work early building up the lands we're occupying so we can hold them down long term.

Some other posters were talking about repeating Napoleon's smash, grab Rosetta Stone, and leave strategy. Which I think is a bit defeatist.

This is why I think De Lisle should be the Chief of Staff. We'll need a man who can count and move grain, manage labour projects, keep the roads clear.

A numbers man.



Yes. We're not invincible and the Ottomans can in fact, kill something other than themselves.
I'm not saying it would be competent, quick or decisive, but they can absolutely make problems that we can't fix or get around.

1 Quarter. You have exactly 1 quarter to secure supplies or start forging off the land.

Jesus Christ.

Well... it also opens up interesting possiblities.

And dangers.

Better that than adding more inconsistency to their lives.
 
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just as an alternate vote:

[X]De Lisle and ROAD TRIP
-[X]Captain Claude Joseph Rouget de Lisle: When you looked for a man to keep the Army fed, the weapons working, and a place to sleep, you turned to de Lisle. He was a master Engineer, a man who could make a loaf of bread last a week among twenty men with his expert rationing. He is not a man who will question your orders and provide a second opinion, something you desperately need. It is quite a shame that he is also a composer in his spare time, with a horrific singing voice. (Will automatically promote de Lisle to Colonel.)
-[X]Take Them With You: You will not allow them to be pawns within France. It would be safer to take them with you and keep them under your watch. (You will take them with you to Egypt.)
 
The warm weather will be good for their constitutions! As long as they don't get the plague that is. At least they won't have to face intrigues alone at home. It will be good for them to learn about other cultures, religions and places. They can go to school later when we're there.
 
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[X]De Lisle and ROAD TRIP

Edit: BTW, there is a slight problem with the Academy issue (beside that fact that it does nothing to protect the Children and that there is nothing for Charlotte to learn and no place for her to live; it was strictly for low nobility boys). The propose Brienne military school no longer exist. It was disbanded - and the building demolished - in 1790, before the PoD. I assume the vote is for another military school, but I don't know any operating at this time OTL (Polytechnique and St Cyr were created later, La Fleche was closed in 1793, Ecole militaire closed in 1787 and the buildings looted during the revolution...); also, IIRC, the teachers were usually nobles -or clergy in some cases-, so there might be a problem there also.
 
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Wait. What if we use the invasion to hit Naples/Sicily instead and dally around with the excuse of setting up a jumping point towards Egypt?
 
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