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Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)

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[X] Plan Oshha
-[X] Authority: Infiltration, Black Sheep: You can't imagine the People of the Thunder Plateau are happy to be under nomad bootheel. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)
-[X] Influence: Sell Food, Kus: Famine stalks the land in Kus. The admin chief says that with the population crash of the collapse, the farms are producing a considerable surplus that could be sold to the Kus. Which could help plug the funding hole until more reliable revenue streams are secured. The Spirit Chief, on the other hand, advises that the morally upright thing to do is sell the grain cheaply to save as many kusmen from starvation as possible. (100%. 1+1d2 Years. Other Effects)
--[X] Feed as many as possible. (+1 Influence, +.1 Treasury, ++Kus Opinion, -Khem Opinion, Possible -Khem Opinion)
-[X] Influence: Diplomatic Contact, Styrmyr: You are most displeased to find that the Styrmyr have decided to immediately conquer Greenshore upon the cessation of the Games. Still, Greenshore were rebels, so maybe the Styrmyr could prove reasonable? (???% 1 Year.)
-[X] Influence: Personal Stewards of Nature, Styrmyr: Demand that the Styrmyr return the lands of greenshore to your rule. (Narrative%?. 1 Year. +Influence. Casus Belli if failed)
-[X] Influence: Diplomatic Contact, Tarta: Who are Tarta and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
-[X] Influence: Sell Bombards, Behryvar: Does Behryvar want bombards? (75%. 1 Year. Profitable.)
-[X] Attend to a particular action personally. (Provides bonus to action)
--[X] Diplomatic Contact, Styrmyr
 
First, we need to throw a bone to the Khem, since they're otherwise almost certainly going to go down to 3-4 Opinion next year, and this may remove options to raise it in future. This almost certainly involves Against Cholera, Khem.

Second, everyone should Deploy Banner Companies to guard Txolla (since they're not going to be doing anything special this year--and possibly not next year either).

Amber Road Sacred Warding should be fixed, and Hung Sacred Warding should be started, say within the next turn or two. But, probably only once we've started appeasing the Revaunchists through our main actions.

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[X] Plan Stockpile Prestige For Negotiations
-[X] Authority: Against Cholera, Khem: Somewhere along the way the Khemetri lost the treatment for Cholera you gifted them so long ago. It should be fairly easy to send it over to them again. (80%. 1 Year. Possible +Khem Opinion)
-[X] Influence: Sell Food, Kus: Famine stalks the land in Kus. The admin chief says that with the population crash of the collapse, the farms are producing a considerable surplus that could be sold to the Kus. Which could help plug the funding hole until more reliable revenue streams are secured. The Spirit Chief, on the other hand, advises that the morally upright thing to do is sell the grain cheaply to save as many kusmen from starvation as possible. (100%. 1+1d2 Years. Other Effects)
--[X] Feed as many as possible. (+1 Influence, +.1 Treasury, ++Kus Opinion, -Khem Opinion, Possible -Khem Opinion)
-[X] Influence: Against Cholera, Pamplona: The people of Pamplona are without a treatment for cholera. Help them fight it. (85%. 1 Year. Possible + Pamplona Opinion)
-[X] Influence: Against Cholera, Vynta: The people of Vynta do not appear to know the way to treat and fight cholera. Spread it to them. (85%. 1 Year. Possible +Vynta Opinion.)
-[X] Influence: Against Cholera, Ruma: The people of Ruma lack your ability to treat the cholera. Teach them how. (85%. 1 Year. Possible +Ruma Opinion)
-[X] Influence: Found Banner Company: The storied mercenary companies of the Melkut Ymaryn were ancient institutions, that played important roles in both martial and diplomatic matters. Having a banner company at your beck and call, able to be loaned out to allies or against enemies, it is a powerful tool. An expensive one though. (100%. 3 Years. Expensive, -.5 Income, potentially profitable, may be taken more than once)
-[X] Relax with Family (-Stress)
-[X] Free: Deploy Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be deployed to a war zone of your choice.
--[X] Both to Txolla to guard against Black Sheep aggression

[] Plan Prepare For Negotiations
-[] Authority: Infiltration, Styrmyr: You can't imagine the People of Greenshore are happy to be under the occupation of the Styrmyr. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)
-[] Influence: Sell Food, Kus: Famine stalks the land in Kus. The admin chief says that with the population crash of the collapse, the farms are producing a considerable surplus that could be sold to the Kus. Which could help plug the funding hole until more reliable revenue streams are secured. The Spirit Chief, on the other hand, advises that the morally upright thing to do is sell the grain cheaply to save as many kusmen from starvation as possible. (100%. 1+1d2 Years. Other Effects)
--[] Feed as many as possible. (+1 Influence, +.1 Treasury, ++Kus Opinion, -Khem Opinion, Possible -Khem Opinion)
-[] Influence: Against Cholera, Khem: Somewhere along the way the Khemetri lost the treatment for Cholera you gifted them so long ago. It should be fairly easy to send it over to them again. (80%. 1 Year. Possible +Khem Opinion)
-[] Influence: Against Cholera, Pamplona: The people of Pamplona are without a treatment for cholera. Help them fight it. (85%. 1 Year. Possible + Pamplona Opinion)
-[] Influence: Against Cholera, Vynta: The people of Vynta do not appear to know the way to treat and fight cholera. Spread it to them. (85%. 1 Year. Possible +Vynta Opinion.)
-[] Influence: Against Cholera, Ruma: The people of Ruma lack your ability to treat the cholera. Teach them how. (85%. 1 Year. Possible +Ruma Opinion)
-[] Relax with Family (-Stress)
-[] Free: Deploy Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be deployed to a war zone of your choice.
--[] Both to Txolla to guard against Black Sheep aggression

This stockpiles prestige and collects Stymyr intelligence (and opens up possible intrigue synergies) in preparation for the negotiations next turn. To appease the Revaunchists, we have 4x Against Cholera and Found Banner Company. feeding Kus?

@Aranfan: Does "Feed as many as possible" count as a prestige project for the Revaunchists?

(If not, I'm going to replace the least certain Infiltrate Stymyr with Found Banner Company and put Authority on Against Cholera, Khem.)

(This isn't exactly the best time for a Found Banner Company, effectively losing 0.5 income on tax year 1610 to satisfy the Revaunchists. If you want to risk not doing so, that's also a plan.)

Preliminary plan for next turn, given this: Tarta, Personal Stewards of Nature + Diplo Stymyr, Diplo Stymyr's rival to put the extra pressure on, Infiltrate Black Sheep
 
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noliar said:
*The monsoon sea trade to Kus has been shipping high value goods in relatively small volumes, not vast amounts of staple foods. In normal times the extra thousand kilometers across oceanic seas compared to Saffron sea trade makes the latter unprofitable. We and Khem both sell food to the not!Arabs but they're a tiny market close by. The fleet of big ships that let Khem be a big grain exporter are on the Saffron sea.
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Assuming wind conditions are the same, 30 days seem like nothing to me. Actually, the wind map shows that the Monsoon Sea should actually be great if we sail in the winter, cutting down transit of time to Kus, which is all that matters.

It depends on the timing of the harvest compared to when we actually ship the grains.
 
[x] Plan Noliar - humanitarian flex
-[x] Authority: Infiltration, Styrmyr: You can't imagine the People of Greenshore are happy to be under the occupation of the Styrmyr. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)
-[x] Infuence: Sell Food, Kus: Famine stalks the land in Kus. The admin chief says that with the population crash of the collapse, the farms are producing a considerable surplus that could be sold to the Kus. Which could help plug the funding hole until more reliable revenue streams are secured. The Spirit Chief, on the other hand, advises that the morally upright thing to do is sell the grain cheaply to save as many kusmen from starvation as possible. (100%. 1+1d2 Years. Other Effects)
--[x] Feed as many as possible. (+1 Influence, +.1 Treasury, ++Kus Opinion, -Khem Opinion, Possible -Khem Opinion)
-[x] Infuence: Personal Stewards of Nature, Styrmyr: Demand that the Styrmyr return the lands of greenshore to your rule. (Narrative%?. 1 Year. +Influence. Casus Belli if failed)
-[x] Infuence: Against Cholera, Khem: Somewhere along the way the Khemetri lost the treatment for Cholera you gifted them so long ago. It should be fairly easy to send it over to them again. (80%. 1 Year. Possible +Khem Opinion)
-[x] Infuence: Against Cholera, Vynta: The people of Vynta do not appear to know the way to treat and fight cholera. Spread it to them. (85%. 1 Year. Possible +Vynta Opinion.)
-[x] Infuence: Against Cholera, Pamplona: The people of Pamplona are without a treatment for cholera. Help them fight it. (85%. 1 Year. Possible + Pamplona Opinion)
-[x] Infuence: Against Cholera, Rexum Germanum: The Doych are without protection against the ravages of cholera. You could give it to them. (85%. 1 year. +Rexum Germanum Opinion)
-[x] Free: Deploy Banner Companies: Station Iron Flowers in Tinshore and Heaven's Hawk in Txolla
-[x] Personal: Overwork
 
Kiba said:
That is what Oshha planning to do.
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Unless we desire to start making moves against Western Wall instead Styrmyr this turn, we will have to due to the time constraints on retaking Thunder Plateau. It might not be a good idea to go for Thunder Plateau first and honestly, I want to retake Western Wall before we go after the Black Sheep. Unfortunately, the time limits on retaking Thunder Plateau means that waiting until after retake Western Wall is a worse idea than trying to take Thunder Plateau before Western Wall.
 
Since people seem to like the idea, I've decided to also make my own preferred plan for pressuring Stymyr (without first stockpiling prestige).

This is similar basis to the other anti-Stymyr plans, but I don't like several of their points:
  1. Plan Oshha allows Khem--our neighboring power--to go down to 3-4 Opinion uncontested, which may end up removing Opinion-raising actions with which to recover. So, throw them a bone, and give them the Cholera cure (maybe shaming their would-be price-gougers in the process). Khemetri has mostly retreated to work on internal reforms, and are unlikely to further spread the cure before next turn, when we'll follow up.
  2. Plan Oshha and "Plan Two Problems, Dual Preparation" put no Authority on Diplomatic Contact, Stymyr--which is the one most likely to benefit from sending our best diplomats.

    We're already pressuring Stymyr with Personal Stewards of Nature to cause dissent, and diploing Stymyr's war enemy so they can compete for better offers; let's complete the pressure by sending the Ymaryn's best diplomats to take advantage.

    (Since Authority is on the diplomats, there's also less pressure to attend personally, so less Stress.)
  3. Instead, both plans put Authority on Infiltrating the Black Sheep. However, this is not an immediate necessity due to stationing our Banner Companies to guard Txolla (I'm not sure why both plans aren't doing it, since said Companies are just twiddling their thumbs this year).

    Moreover, the Black Sheep's wiiiiide border and more nomadic and sparse population should make that roll much easier than the earlier Stymyr infiltration, so there's much less point putting Authority on it.
  4. Plan Oshha's gun sale to Behryvar. While tempting, it's likely to predispose the Tarta against us, whereas we want them open in these three-way negotiations.


[X] Plan Pressure Stymyr, Throw Khem A Bone
-[X] Authority: Diplomatic Contact, Styrmyr: You are most displeased to find that the Styrmyr have decided to immediately conquer Greenshore upon the cessation of the Games. Still, Greenshore were rebels, so maybe the Styrmyr could prove reasonable? (???% 1 Year.)
-[X] Influence: Personal Stewards of Nature, Styrmyr: Demand that the Styrmyr return the lands of greenshore to your rule. (Narrative%?. 1 Year. +Influence. Casus Belli if failed)
-[X] Influence: Diplomatic Contact, Tarta: Who are Tarta and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
-[X] Influence: Sell Food, Kus: Famine stalks the land in Kus. The admin chief says that with the population crash of the collapse, the farms are producing a considerable surplus that could be sold to the Kus. Which could help plug the funding hole until more reliable revenue streams are secured. The Spirit Chief, on the other hand, advises that the morally upright thing to do is sell the grain cheaply to save as many kusmen from starvation as possible. (100%. 1+1d2 Years. Other Effects)
--[X] Feed as many as possible. (+1 Influence, +.1 Treasury, ++Kus Opinion, -Khem Opinion, Possible -Khem Opinion)
-[X] Influence: Against Cholera, Khem: Somewhere along the way the Khemetri lost the treatment for Cholera you gifted them so long ago. It should be fairly easy to send it over to them again. (80%. 1 Year. Possible +Khem Opinion)
-[X] Influence: Infiltration, Black Sheep: You can't imagine the People of the Thunder Plateau are happy to be under nomad bootheel. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)
-[X] Relax with Family (-Stress)
-[X] Free: Deploy Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be deployed to a war zone of your choice.
--[X] Txolla to guard against Black Sheep aggression

I don't like this as much as my main plan to stockpile prestige and then do the same thing (since that's only all the more pressure on the Stymyr). If you like that idea, check out my previous plan:

[X] Plan Stockpile Prestige For Negotiations

from the above post.
 
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noncannon said:
  1. Plan Oshha allows Khem--our nearby power--to go down to 3-4 Opinion uncontested, which may end up removeing Opinion-raising actions with which to recover. S
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It is only 1 to 2 not 3 to 4.
Aranfan said:
-[] Feed as many as possible. (+1 Influence, +.1 Treasury, ++Kus Opinion, -Khem Opinion, Possible -Khem Opinion)
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Fouredged Sword said:
I thonk the plan is Greenshore and then Blacksheep and then finally Western Wall. The idea is to have KoTH prestiege as we finish our reconquests and kill revanchism in it's tracks.
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The original plan was to do things in the order of Trelli, Tinshore, Greenshore, Western Wall and finally Thunder Plateau, but when we found out about the time limit on Thunder Plateau which means we need to retake it by some point in the 1620s if we want to be able to hold it afterwards. Combined with how the Mass Levy will take six years to retake Thunder Plateau if things go well, we need to get started in the earlier half of the 1610s if we want to have a good chance of retaking Thunder Plateau long term.
 
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Khem's current opinion is 5. They will definitely lose an opinion from our Feeding as many as possible, and possibly another, leaving 3-4.
 
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