Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
There is a delay. But eventually yes.
Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)
There is a delay. But eventually yes.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Huuuuuh. Okay, that makes me feel it's probably better to focus & rotate between provinces.
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Something like this?
[] Plan Oli Intensified
-[] Authority: Reestablish Administrative Control, Hathytta
-[] Authority: Deepen Diplomacy, Khemetri
-[] Influence: Praise the Sun
-[] Influence: Survey Homevalley Province
--[] 4 dice
-[] Attend to a particular action personally.
--[] Control the Hills, Diplomatic
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- Location
- Minnesota
Four dice on one survey is probably overkill. I'd suggest either two surveys with 2 dice each or one survey with 3 dice and another diplomacy action.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Oli
It isn't my preferred plan, but I was asleep when the update got posted so oh well.
Then I would recommend getting tougher skin if you felt an honest answer to a question and calling them out on their bad behaviour was rude and properly reading posts if you consider bad faith debating, trying to make others do your own work and outright lying about what someone else is saying to be 'no good reason' in your own words.
It isn't my preferred plan, but I was asleep when the update got posted so oh well.
Then I would recommend getting tougher skin if you felt an honest answer to a question and calling them out on their bad behaviour was rude and properly reading posts if you consider bad faith debating, trying to make others do your own work and outright lying about what someone else is saying to be 'no good reason' in your own words.
[X] Plan Oli
Blaming the KMT
KIng Phillip facepalmed, his headache rapidly grew. Trelli was a fucking disaster. Within the span of two years, the possession that he captured since half a decade ago was simply gone.
"Are you sure that it was the Khems that sent those warships?" he asked.
"Positive, my King," the messenger nervously replied. "No Ymaryn warships."
Philip screamed, knocking figures off the map table. "The weak womanly Ymaryn shouldn't had been able to take our city! They must have sent a woman to seduce the Khemetri king!"
It was a sore spot. The Hellas didn't like the Khems, and the Khems didn't like them, and yet the Hellen cities was somewhat reliant on the grains of the Khemetri especially in time of distress.
Now he will be forced to play nice with the Khems, or else...
"Are you sure that it was the Khems that sent those warships?" he asked.
"Positive, my King," the messenger nervously replied. "No Ymaryn warships."
Philip screamed, knocking figures off the map table. "The weak womanly Ymaryn shouldn't had been able to take our city! They must have sent a woman to seduce the Khemetri king!"
It was a sore spot. The Hellas didn't like the Khems, and the Khems didn't like them, and yet the Hellen cities was somewhat reliant on the grains of the Khemetri especially in time of distress.
Now he will be forced to play nice with the Khems, or else...
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- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The Hellas League has fought the Khem enough to be able to recognise their warships on their own merits. They wouldn't need to figure out that they weren't Ymaryn warships as they would be able to just recognise the Khem warships as belonging to their long time rival.
Alright. Criticism accepted.
No way. We don't have the money, and our fleet strength hadn't improved.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
And it would also mean admitting that they got beaten by the weak and womanly Ymaryn and not by the current top dog of their region.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
How might you change it? @Donkey Hote and I have been going back and forth about focusing in on 1-2 areas to survey
[] Plan Oli Intensified
-[] Authority: Reestablish Administrative Control, Hathytta
-[] Authority: Deepen Diplomacy, Khemetri
-[] Influence: Praise the Sun
--[] 2 dice
-[] Influence: Survey Homevalley Province
--[] 3 dice
-[] Attend to a particular action personally.
--[] Control the Hills, Diplomatic
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Georgia has coal deposits. No idea about Txolla. If MoS is in around Azerjabani, we might have luck in finding metal ores to mine.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I would save sending the demand to Tinshore until we finish our current campaign to finish retaking the lost Hathytta land due to our revanchism and instead used that authority on diplo with the Khem. The Influence previously on the Khem diplo would either go to double-down on a survey or doing the mystic action except you are already doing the latter so it would be doubling down on a survey.
Edit: In regards to the survey, I would rather put two Influence on Surveying our home province and another two on Surveying the MoS. Save doing Txolla until we got some more influence to devote to it on another turn.
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
It came up in the discord, but it's important for the thread so I'll repeat it here.
Y'all are on a time limit for retaking the Thunder Plateau. It is flatly ungovernable from the Core pre-railroad. Ergo, if you can't take enough of it that it can govern and defend itself before the last generation that has loyalty to the idea of the Melkut Ymaryn dies, then you won't be able to keep the Plateau. Because you'd cease to be the King liberating the People from barbarians, and instead be foreign conquerors yourself.
Y'all are on a time limit for retaking the Thunder Plateau. It is flatly ungovernable from the Core pre-railroad. Ergo, if you can't take enough of it that it can govern and defend itself before the last generation that has loyalty to the idea of the Melkut Ymaryn dies, then you won't be able to keep the Plateau. Because you'd cease to be the King liberating the People from barbarians, and instead be foreign conquerors yourself.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
We are currently using the army to reconquer our empire.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Could throw out some sort of timeline for how long we have so we at least have a rough idea? How long is a generation from now in this context? Ten years? Twenty years? A mere five?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
You have approximately 40 years from "Emergency: The Cities Must Be Fed".
Which seems like a long time, but you need to be able to sustain a mass levy to have a chance at taking the thunder plateau.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Plan Oli Intensified
I have some thoughts on Tinshore/Greenshore diplomacy. While there was no way asking the Hellenes to leave Trelli was gong to be more than a pre-war formality, finding a way to regain these territories with minimal fighting is desirable for us and their populations. It also takes years off the time before we can go after Western Wall if we can base out of an unsmashed Greenshore, thus minimising cultural divergeance. I think we can find a way to move those actions from a nominal 1% to a plausible success meaning success number.
As a show of force we want to be pretty open about it as we improve our material position in case of a fight. Finish the Trelli campaign and keep the regulars in the area, building up the logistics infrastructure to use western Trelli as a staging area. Resume shipbuilding so we can move levies west much faster than overland and support a coastal campaign. The idea is to make it obvious that we're ready whenever we choose, we would win, they don't have much chance of even bogging us down and we're getting stronger faster than they can hope to.
To prepare the ground we want engage in some intrigue and backchannel diplomacy. We were integrated for a long time, that means we have nobles and merchants in our core territory with friends and family over there. Get some trustworthy people reaching out to those contacts, float the idea of reintegration informally, find the factions that might go for it, the diehards who need to be dealt with and who might serve as acceptable scapegoats for the treachery. Spread news of the resumption of industry, warding and trade networks, of the king talking the hillfolk down instead of just crushing them - all the little things that might move rejoining into the positive column. Also send in military spies just in case.
We shouldn't send the formal demands until this prep work has been done. When we do, we should send to both of them. This sets up a prisoner's dilemma. However difficult it is for both to hold out, it's even more hopeless for the one that says no if the other says yes and our reprisals will be that much more concentrated upon them. If they had the mutual trust to keep up a unified defiance in the face of that they'd probably be a single state.
As a show of force we want to be pretty open about it as we improve our material position in case of a fight. Finish the Trelli campaign and keep the regulars in the area, building up the logistics infrastructure to use western Trelli as a staging area. Resume shipbuilding so we can move levies west much faster than overland and support a coastal campaign. The idea is to make it obvious that we're ready whenever we choose, we would win, they don't have much chance of even bogging us down and we're getting stronger faster than they can hope to.
To prepare the ground we want engage in some intrigue and backchannel diplomacy. We were integrated for a long time, that means we have nobles and merchants in our core territory with friends and family over there. Get some trustworthy people reaching out to those contacts, float the idea of reintegration informally, find the factions that might go for it, the diehards who need to be dealt with and who might serve as acceptable scapegoats for the treachery. Spread news of the resumption of industry, warding and trade networks, of the king talking the hillfolk down instead of just crushing them - all the little things that might move rejoining into the positive column. Also send in military spies just in case.
We shouldn't send the formal demands until this prep work has been done. When we do, we should send to both of them. This sets up a prisoner's dilemma. However difficult it is for both to hold out, it's even more hopeless for the one that says no if the other says yes and our reprisals will be that much more concentrated upon them. If they had the mutual trust to keep up a unified defiance in the face of that they'd probably be a single state.
I was talking about future options. Right now, we only have a tentative loyalty from Hathattya.
[X] Plan Oli Intensified
What would help is an iron wagonways, the precursor to the railroad. Wikipedia said that for wooden rails said horses quadruple their carrying capacities. We might or might not have such system in place at our docks or likely in our mines.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
Okay, we currently got Treasury at 2/10 and Income at -2. Income should increase to -1.5 next year with a de facto income of -0.5 due to Trelli. We are also looking at another +1 to Treasure from both the Hills and Hathytta, putting us at a solid 3.5/10 Treasury barring any other changes.
This is not enough to to raise the mass levy yet.
Assuming that the Cities Must Be Fed is the year before the first one date puts it at 1588. Approximately 40 years can have five taken off to be on the safer side so that means we got until 1623 to retake the Thunder Plateau and we can knock that down to 1620 to give us some more leeway. I certainly think we should wait to finish rolling out gunpowder weapons, which should be done by 1603 if we don't suffer any setbacks.
@Aranfan Does the Mass Levy work like the City Levy? At face value between looking at the action listed and the mechanics in the Rules info post, we just need to pay one-off payment of 4 from our Treasury when we initially take the action just as we have had to pay 1 from Treasury for City Levy.
Is this meant to be Plan Oli and not Plan Oli Intensified?
This is not enough to to raise the mass levy yet.
Assuming that the Cities Must Be Fed is the year before the first one date puts it at 1588. Approximately 40 years can have five taken off to be on the safer side so that means we got until 1623 to retake the Thunder Plateau and we can knock that down to 1620 to give us some more leeway. I certainly think we should wait to finish rolling out gunpowder weapons, which should be done by 1603 if we don't suffer any setbacks.
@Aranfan Does the Mass Levy work like the City Levy? At face value between looking at the action listed and the mechanics in the Rules info post, we just need to pay one-off payment of 4 from our Treasury when we initially take the action just as we have had to pay 1 from Treasury for City Levy.
Is this meant to be Plan Oli and not Plan Oli Intensified?