Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
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- Washington
The oldest old tribes were brought in before there even was an empire.
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
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- New York
...The culture option is literally supporting annexation of the tribes in question. Which also happen to be the furthest away from the empire. It's closer to the opposite of what the thread actually seemed to want, especially since at present we're more on the defensive.
Approval-voting.
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
[X] To appeal to profit. If there is another force out there civilizing the southernmost tribes, perhaps there is gain to be had? (+Bao, +Diao approval, -Wang approval)
Approval-voting.
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
[X] To appeal to profit. If there is another force out there civilizing the southernmost tribes, perhaps there is gain to be had? (+Bao, +Diao approval, -Wang approval)
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- At the end of the world
[X] To appeal to profit. If there is another force out there civilizing the southernmost tribes, perhaps there is gain to be had? (+Bao, +Diao approval, -Wang approval)
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
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[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
The options are:
1. We should wait to attack them until we are at peace.
2. We should (forcibly) civilize them
3. We should loot them of anything remotely valuable.
Ling Qi is an imperialist who needs to create mental exceptions in her head to consider certain groups of foreigners "people". None of the approaches are nice.
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- NY
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
Exactly. I see this vote as a decision to color ourselves a certain way at court.
Appealing to pragmatism implies sympathies for the anti-barbarian / kill-em-all faction, in opposition to the integrationalists, who think some barb civs can be worked with and slowly brought into the fold. The third way is profit, and not entirely sure why the Diao have sympathies here. Perhaps they have a good working relationship with the Bao? Anyways, profit seems the 'safest' choice, but feels the least sincere.
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Functionally speaking, we would be waiting to attack them never. There's the war first of all and i doubt actual peace w/ Cloud Tribes would be achieved. There might b a ceasefire but no way would they let Empire folks pass through their lands. Even if it was possible, the lands that far south are supposed to be incredibly inhospitable. Basically a land of eternal winter. The Empire wouldn't be able to set up a sustainable warfront and supply train (i know cultivators dont eat but there are still other supplies for medical stuff and weaponry and shelter).
The military option might be officially referring to them as enemies but its carefully not mentioning how they could never feasibly attack them anyway.
Same goes for forcibly annexing them actually...same logistical problems.
Even a looting party is still costly and very much a reach when they don't know if there's anything worth looting. Also I thought it meant opening trade w/ the Ice people anyway.
The military option is the one that costs the Empire, and Emerald Seas more specifically, not much at all.
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I think it's a mistake to assume our words are going to sway the court in any direction. This is our debut. How we present ourselves now is how people will know we work going forward. I highly doubt that the words of a green are going to influence the overall direction the court will take.
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Yeah. I could see LQ being a proponent of options that are in truth not realistic or feasible appearing as... naive and shortsighted? Probs my bias but I could see the practical, military types in the room viewing her that way.
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
I really don't like the way the Profit option talks mostly about an external group acting to civilize the barbarians. It smacks of basically dismissing White Sky as just barbarians and going to look for the power behind the throne that's actually a civilization - which is the kind of thing that doesn't really have any positive effect on the issues with the Cloud Nomads in general and might actually be counterproductive in dealing with the White Sky peoples directly.
In essence, it seems like it's the worst of both worlds in terms of our foreign diplomacy - I don't think currying favor with the more isolationist factions of the Emerald Seas court is worth that, especially since the Diao and Bao already have preexisting opinions/biases about us that this decision is relatively unlikely to outweigh.
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
I really don't like the way the Profit option talks mostly about an external group acting to civilize the barbarians. It smacks of basically dismissing White Sky as just barbarians and going to look for the power behind the throne that's actually a civilization - which is the kind of thing that doesn't really have any positive effect on the issues with the Cloud Nomads in general and might actually be counterproductive in dealing with the White Sky peoples directly.
In essence, it seems like it's the worst of both worlds in terms of our foreign diplomacy - I don't think currying favor with the more isolationist factions of the Emerald Seas court is worth that, especially since the Diao and Bao already have preexisting opinions/biases about us that this decision is relatively unlikely to outweigh.