Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard

My reasoning for this is fairly simple:
  1. Guan Zhi engages the peer-cyan and prevents them from interfering in the rest of the battle.
  2. By alpha striking the shishigui with her Qi-bleaching beam, CRX significantly lowers the chance of that rock going anywhere. A ten meter hunk of Qi-eating warpstone is going nowhere fast without magic to move it, and the Shishigui (evidently) are capable of doing so.
Trying to steal the thing ourselves at the outset of the battle is liable to go wrong in any manner of ways, not in the least because we have no reliable way of moving the damn thing. I'm not confident in our ability to spirit it away into the Dream, given the material's noted ability to eat through Qi constructs.

CRX has shown the ability to deny earth cultivators the ability to tunnel and burrow by stripping the 'groundness' from the ground. Couple that with engaging the Shishigui alongside Ling Qi, and I think that rock will stay just where it is. Everyone will have bigger things on their plate.
 
"I think so," Ling Qi said. She had been preparing for such missions for awhile now. She smiled wistfully. "I am the wind thief after all."
And boom, that's when her theme music kicks in.
Plan Warpstone Theft
Ha, it is basically warpstone isn't it?

[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

I think this is what I'm going for. The mission just got upgraded with a smash and grab, so let's not overcomplicate this. Match cyan with cyan, lob Renxiang at the Shishigui to stall them, and make off with the warpstone prize before anyone else gets any funny ideas about it.
 
I will say, starting a plan ignoring the strongest variable on the scene and hoping he won't take advantage is...how do I put this. Very naive at the least. Its sacrificing our second objective (something so important that it caused literally everyone to freak out and is part of why the 12 skies have not mobilized against the empire yet) at the very best success of the plan. Its relying on him literally leaving and doing nothing else right away, when the other side have shown the ability to get what his side wants if the claim is self interest would lead him to do so. It follows the idea that since he is planning to attack the empire later he will easily let them accomplish their objectives right now.

[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard

This plan isn't super special, and can be considered generally safer. I'm voting this more to not ignore the cyan, while still protecting the second objective and beat back our main enemy.
 
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CRX has shown the ability to deny earth cultivators the ability to tunnel and burrow by stripping the 'groundness' from the ground. Couple that with engaging the Shishigui alongside Ling Qi, and I think that rock will stay just where it is. Everyone will have bigger things on their plate.
If I was a patriotic Shishigui that knew he was going to die, my dying act would be securing the stone.
 
On the contrary, her having the best chance at achieving that objective is very relevant when deciding who to appoint it to.

Erebeal is alluding to yrsillar's statement on discord that Ling Qi has no idea what she's going to do to try to steal a giant qi-eating stone, one suggestion being to dreamport it, which she wog has no idea whether its going to work or not but is just part of her throw shit at wall and try strategy.

The point is it doesn't matter if Ling Qi is better than her allies at stealing in a vacuum if Ling Qi just doesn't know how to steal a giant qi-eating rock.
 
If I was a patriotic Shishigui that knew he was going to die, my dying act would be securing the stone.

Honestly? They'll have bigger things to worry about.

I have no doubt that the G7 shishigui could probably move the thing, even with CRX's Qi bleaching, but to do such a thing would not be trivial, or without cost whilst under attack.

Denying the means and ability to move the stone easily during battle means it's going nowhere in that time.
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
Erebeal is alluding to yrsillar's statement on discord that Ling Qi has no idea what she's going to do to try to steal a giant qi-eating stone, one suggestion being to dreamport it, which she wog has no idea whether its going to work or not but is just part of her throw shit at wall and try strategy.

The point is it doesn't matter if Ling Qi is better than her allies at stealing in a vacuum if Ling Qi just doesn't know how to steal a giant qi-eating rock.
The vote only says "secure," so it could be something like dropping Zhengui on it and bunkering down, or maybe LQ will try and Eagle-Yeet it.
 
It doesnt matter what degree.

The likliehood of them being aligned means that they're not just gonna stand back and let us kill the Shishigui unanswered right in front of them

I dont get why I have to explain this

Its genuinely baffling to me
You have yet to prove they are aligned. Looking at the update all I am willing to say is that they agree to talk. I am genuinely baffled by why you think they are aligned now.

I also strongly disagree with your take that it's bad tactics to try an eliminate an enemy faction before the fighting begins. You say that the cyan could protect the Shishigui, but there is no proof I can see for that to be the case.

Since we don't know the cyans abilities let's say there are two possibilities. He can either protect against the attack, or he can't. Since we don't know the probability of either one let's just assign both 50%. (This is different from survive, cyans seem hardy so I don't think an alpha strike will get rid of him.) If he can't protect the Shishigui then removing an entire enemy force from he field before they act is pretty good.

However, the possibility exists that he can protect from the alpha strike. That create two more options. Either he will protect others, or he won't. Even though you insist he will protect the Shishigui, which I question given his attitude towards them, we don't actually know how he will act. Even if we assigned a 90% chance that he is willing to protect the Shishigui, the outcome of him being able to protect and being willing to protect is less likely than the combined outcomes of him being unable to protect and being able to protect but unwilling.

The chance to remove players from the board is valuable as it lessens confusion and allows a greater focus on the remaining players.
 
[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard

Yeah, I see this one a better idea.

I care about the Bardbarian less than Ling Qi cares about Hong Ling, but Capture/Kill remains the actual primary objective.
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

I want to steal a star.
 
I'm pretty sure you'd have to look hard to find any such degree under that definition that doesnt include "leaving you to die from a hostile force that I could help you overcome were I to lend my assiatance" as part of said assistance
Again, that assumes a basic level of assistance having been agreed to. Which I'm disagreeing with.

Look, we both seem to agree that this is the part of the Shishigui statement that the Twelve Star Confederation is somewhat in agreement.

"The people of Y'lith'kai have common purpose with the people of the sky," the thing spoke, it's high pitched voice ill matched to the bass growls of the Cloud Tribe tongue. "As you are of the sky, we are of the depths. Never do our peoples need to be at cross purpose, unlike the plunderers, who contaminate, break and steal."

And this is the statement that the Twelve Star Confederation said
The cyan cultivator glowered at the pair before turning back to the others. "The Twelve Star confederation agrees to an extent. Your strike was foolish.It is too soon, even if you succeeded. Great Khan Galidan is still organizing his strength, and while the First is acclimated the Third and Seventh are not yet ready for war."

So the question then becomes, to what extent do the Twelve Star Confederation agree with the Shishigui? Given their comments, it can't be argued that they fully agree with the Shishigui.

Now the Shishigui statement has three parts.
  1. Shishigui have common purpose with the Cloud Nomads
  2. Shishigui and Sky Nomads do not need to be at cross purposes
  3. The Empire are at cross purposes with either/both the Cloud Nomads and/or the Shishigui
The Twelve Star Confederation seems to agree with the Shishigui with at least one of these and possibly two of these, but disagree with at least one of these. However, if the Cloud Nomads agree with the Shishigui that they have a common purpose, then disagreeing with the Shishigui that they do not need to be at cross-purposes is internally inconsistent. It makes little sense to agree that they have a common purpose but disagree that they need not be at cross-purpose. This means that if the Cloud Nomads agree that the Shishigui have a common purpose with the Cloud Nomads, then to be internally consistent they would have to agree that they need not be at cross-purpose. This means that the only statement left to disagree on is that The Empire is at cross-purpose with them. Given their own intentions to attack the Empire, disagreeing that the Empire at cross-purpose seems extremely unlikely to the point of faintly ridiculous.

However, agreeing that they need not be at cross-purposes does not necessitate that they have a common purpose with the Shishigui. Agreeing to leave each other alone is a perfectly acceptable outcome from agreeing that they need not be at cross-purposes but disagreeing about common purpose. Additionally, even if the cloud nomads agreed that they need not be at cross-purposes and that they have a common purpose, the only statement left to disagree on is that The Empire is at cross-purpose with them, which still is just as unlikely due to reasons discussed above.

It seems likely, then, that the only thing we can be sure of is that the Cloud Nomads would agree that the Empire is at cross-purposes with either/both the Shishigui and/or the Cloud Nomads. Which leaves either 1 or 2 to be the point of disagreement. However, we have already discussed how agreeing with statement 1 pretty much necessitates agreeing with statement 2, but agreeing with statement 2 does not necessitate agreement with statement 1.

This leaves the most likely points of agreement to be agreeing on statement 2 and 3, or simply agreeing with only statement 3. And if the Cloud Nomads do not agree with statement 1, then it becomes difficult to make an argument that an agreement of assistance has been reached.

There is, of course, the more holistic approach where parts of the different statements are disagreed to. But if even part of Statement 1 is disagreed with, an agreement of assistance has not been accepted.
 
picklepikklToday at 2:32 PM @Yrsillar if you can say, what sorts of things would LQ do to "secure the starstone"
YrsillarToday at 2:32 PM you have a few options
YrsillarToday at 2:32 PM like dream porting or whatnot
KatreusToday at 2:32 PM i thought it disrupts qi constructs. how do we dream port it
YrsillarToday at 2:33 PM Ling qi will try stuff and see what works p. much
YrsillarToday at 2:33 PM I just gave an example on one she'll probably try

Maybe. But she's going to spend valuable time while her allies are fighting peer competition to try to move a qi-eating rock. If the shishigui are taken out, no one's going to be able to run off with the rock easily.
 
On the contrary, her having the best chance at achieving that objective is very relevant when deciding who to appoint it to.

We don't need to appoint it to anyone right now. The situation can easily go awry if we focus on stealing the starstone. We don't know how high our chances are of being able to steal it. If we do manage to steal it, we'll become the top priority target for the Twelve Star barbs and the shishigui. This is not ideal considering that there are many people here significantly stronger than us. Our goal is not to take the stone and bail - obtaining the stone is a secondary objective. In my opinion, the dangers here are too significant to make prioritizing such an objective right now worthwhile.
 
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Maybe. But she's going to spend valuable time while her allies are fighting peer competition to try to move a qi-eating rock. If the shishigui are taken out, no one's going to be able to run off with the rock easily.
Do we know that it eats qi? I thought it only disrupted qi formations?
 
Personally, I don't like the XCOM plan because can Ling Qi even tell the differences between the three factions among the lesser cultivators? It looks like everyone pooled together their lesser realm cultivators as guards, and I'd really rather not have a fight against two faction turn into a three faction fight if Ling Qi accidentally hits the third faction's lesser realms.

She flitted over the rim of the caldera, right beneath the hooves of the warriors who guarded it, and saw into the caldera below. Flitting round the rim were more than a hundred second realms, and a scattering of early green riders overseeing them, six in all by her count.

I don't think she can tell the difference. She makes no notes of divisions within the lesser realms.
 
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Do we know that it eats qi? I thought it only disrupted qi formations?
It's a space rock. I wouldnt surprised if it grew horrifying space limbs and tried to walk away.

But honestly, if it disrupts Qi formations it makes sense that it would also disrupt other types of qi, like our arts. I don't know how something could only disrupt Qi formations and not just disrupt Qi in general.
 
I thought it only disrupted qi formations?
It disrupts qi constructs, like what Ling Qi uses to fight:

"Ogodei was said to use it in his arrows. It's properties in inducing rapid entropy in qi constructs are well recorded, but for a mere fourth realm to be using such a large piece is…"
Ling Qi, the ridiculous twit had turned herself into a control cultivator, and she seemed like she was actually doing it on purpose now. Between her and her spirits, she was a mobile hardpoint, the sort of officer you hinged battle formations around. That was a bad matchup for duelists like the two of them. In a duel, you wanted a disruptor type to destabilize their constructs and set up, slipping the knife in when a gap came up.

I'm really not happy that that thing is anywhere near where Ling Qi would be fighting.
 
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