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[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

Less because I think the Twelve Stars Cyan needs to be distracted from protecting the Shishigui, more because I think he needs to be distracted from Ling Qi grabbing the stone and leaving with it.

We can probably trash the ritual by just dragging the stone through it while we lead the various enemy groups on a merry chase.
 
TehChron said:
To change this



To something more favorable. Given that the offer only came up after they agreed.



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Then what did they agree or not agree to upon getting to that point in the conversation?
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That they don't need to act at cross purposes or conflict but by context its pretty clear he's also not very interested in treating with them, like the White Sky.
 
Also the idea that it would be easier for him to defend them from an artillery strike than himself is, uh, rather baffling and goes against everything we know.
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
Thor's Twin said:
They agreed to an extent that they are not at cross purposes, but that is hardly an agreement of help and assistance. Nowhere in the text is an agreement to help the Shishigui or assist them.
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Where did that distinction arise in the update?

It's very obvious we arrived in mid discussion, and a discussion of the terms of aid seems to be the obvious subject being negotiated

So where does this confidence that the cyan would absolutely leave the Cloud tribe barbarians allied to the Shishigui out to dry coming from?

I'm taking this stance because it's the most obvious conclusion to make from the circumstances. Naturally I could be wrong, but I still don't see how you guys can justify this all too convenient conclusion you've come to.

Erebeal said:
Also the idea that it would be easier for him to defend them from an artillery strike than himself is, uh, rather baffling and goes against everything we know.
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I'd like to know who advocated it myself.

Since I only argued an artillery strike against him and his forces would keep him from assisting the Shishigui and their allies.
 
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Trying to steal the stone feels to me as trying to be too clever and overly risky given that we don't actually have a good idea of if we can even do it.

[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[x][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[x][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[x][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui

[x] Plan XCOM door breach:
 
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Most encounters are not to the death, when the day seems like it may be lost most will break and flee.

I 100% don't agree with overloading on the Shishigui. Sounds like we're underestimating the ability of the Cyan to handle starstone and begin to escape, and getting a Cyan suckerpunch on him at the start is a great incentive for him to start leaving even if he cannot secure the starstone.

I would prefer a plan in which we hit 12 star, shishigui and the mooks to trying to secure the starstone right off the bat. That said, I don't mind securing the starstone.

I'd rather Star Shenanigans win to XCOM. But I'd also prefer the mook mulching to the star securing. The mooks in this setting matter and the faster we can bring our green forces to bear the better

thief memery is also fine though I suppose.
 
TehChron said:
Where did that distinction arise in the update?

It's very obvious we arrived in mid discussion, and a discussion of the terms of aid seems to be the obvious subject being negotiated

So where does this confidence that the cyan would absolutely leave the Cloud tribe barbarians allied to the Shishigui out to dry coming from?

I'm taking this stance because it's the most obvious conclusion to make from the circumstances. Naturally I could be wrong, but I still don't see how you guys can justify this all too convenient conclusion you've come to.
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yrsillar said:
"Why then, should the people of the sky trust in one sort of lowlander over another?" Said the mightiest among them.
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I find it really hard to imagine an agreement of help and assistance had been reached and then questions of trust are asked. If the Twelve Star Confederation is asking for proof or arguments regarding trust, it seems clear that an alliance based on that trust has not been reached.

After all, an alliance based on trust can't be reached if that trust has not yet been established.

After this, there is no mentioning of help or assistance to the Shishigui, so no agreement on that front has been reached after questions of trust have been asked. So unless the argument is that an alliance has been reached before trust between the parties has been established, it seems fairly evident that no such agreement has yet been formed.
 
TehChron said:
Where did that distinction arise in the update?

It's very obvious we arrived in mid discussion, and a discussion of the terms of aid seems to be the obvious subject being negotiated

So where does this confidence that the cyan would absolutely leave the Cloud tribe barbarians allied to the Shishigui out to dry coming from?

I'm taking this stance because it's the most obvious conclusion to make from the circumstances. Naturally I could be wrong, but I still don't see how you guys can justify this all too convenient conclusion you've come to.
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Because its not particularly convenient? We want the starstone, but his self interest means that he's going to go for it if he gets the chance, so we are going to end up having to contest a Cyan for the Stone.

In my mind though the moves of the XCOM plan set up the field so that we have less to worry about and can actually focus him down from a decent position.

And if the terms of aid are being negotiated, then that means what aid if any hasn't actually been settled and by all indications I can read the Twelve Stars guy wasn't very enthused with helping them.

And my confidence that he's not going to help the Cloud Tribes allied with the Shishigui comes from factors I've laid out already: They're not his tribe and not the same faction even if they are the same culture group, spending power helping them means power not spent acting in his self interest of getting the starstone, and means less power put towards protecting his own peeps.

Seems simple enough calculus to me.
 
[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[x][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[x][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[x][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui

This fits what I want much better. Stealing a prism-grade material that actively disrupts our techniques feels like a fool's errand.
 
[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[x][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[x][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[x][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui

I'm not confident in Guan Zhi vs a cyan with backup if she doesn't get an alpha strike off on the dude for an advantage of some kind.
 
[X] Plan Strategic Support Stymieing
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Weaken or eliminate the forces on the rim before empowerment can begin


[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[x][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[x][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[x][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui

[] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans

I like the idea of a team-battle directly with CRX, a heist, and El Classico "LQ goes and beats up the chumps lol"

Thumping the shishigui without touching the 12 Stars sounds like a good way to miss the secondary objective.
Shredding the screening yellows to make sure reinforcements arrive at the stone as fast as possible sounds great.
Teamfight with CRX sounds great.
And a heist is fun, even if I think it's most-likely to go pear-shaped

EDIT: approval voting for all three was formatting weirdly.
 
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[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[x][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[x][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[x][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui
 
Thor's Twin said:
This
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yrsillar said:
The people of Y'lith'kai have common purpose with the people of the sky," the thing spoke, it's high pitched voice ill matched to the bass growls of the Cloud Tribe tongue. "As you are of the sky, we are of the depths. Never do our peoples need to be at cross purpose, unlike the plunderers, who contaminate, break and steal."

There were two other shishigui with him, hunched and crouching as was more common, they were only second Appraisal stage. The four barbarians with them were a step higher, and their mounts entered uneasily beneath the gaze of the other tribes raptors.

[White Sky Reaction]

The cyan cultivator glowered at the pair before turning back to the others. "The Twelve Star confederation agrees to an extent.
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So uh...?

Yeah, not seeing it. Still looks like he got convinced after the Shishigui made that speech of his to alleviate the guys suspicion to me even after the White sky rep called them demons straight out.

If he wanted nothing to do with them, solidarity with the White sky wouldve provided an excellent excuse to jump off into further criticism, rather than being placated by the Shishigui themselves
 
[X] Plan XCOM door breach

[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard

I really feel like going for a secondary objective right now is premature.
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

Anything else simply sacrifices any chance of getting the secondary objective secured. There is no one with better thieving skills that Ling Qi, and there's no better moment to steal it than as the first move while they get attacked by someone else.
 
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TehChron said:
Followed immediately by:

So uh...?

Yeah, not seeing it. Still looks like he got convinced after the Shishigui made that speech of his to alleviate the guys suspicion to me even after the White sky rep called them demons straight out.

If he wanted nothing to do with them, solidarity with the White sky wouldve provided an excellent excuse to jump off into further criticism, rather than being placated by the Shishigui themselves
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Yeah but that ain't an alliance. All it is is an agreement that they don't necessarily have to fight. At most a statement of neutrality.
 
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