I'll focus on this as the other subject is something I'm afraid we'll need to simply disagree on. The issue to me is that the upgrade to Guardian's and Weaponmasters will focus solely on them and only them - yes we will always have them, but Sith or Force related threats will always be present as well in some shape or form. It's a bonus to everyone against a constant threat, where Brianna is focused solely on a single type of class. I'd prefer we make all our people more effective against them.
Go with your gut, but I'd say to vote narratively honestly. I'm voting for Atton because I want him to have the position as a matter of character growth as well as the benefits it has mechanically.
The thing is that said threat, while being theoretically ever-present, isn't always going to sow up in every encounter - it's a much more chance-based bonus. We might get Sith today... or we might not. With Brianna we know with certainty that a guardian, if we deploy them, is always better than they would otherwise be, regardless of the situation. It's two different types of niche, certainly, but I think Brianna's is more broadly applicable and consequently more reliable.
). There's no obvious mechanics for it, but as a result narratively I think Brianna would be far more at home in this environment than Atton. I'm a bit hesitant on this supplementary argument though simply because I don't recall if Voik's explicitly stated this will be within the Battlemaster's purview in this quest.
Yes.
Eh. Atton was also drilled extensively througout the wars; being a soldier does that. Not to mention he has Echani training himself. Atton is diverse in what he offers; Brianna is far more single-focused in her lessons, which is why I think it makes perfect sense her mechanical offering is solely based on combat for Guardians. I think he'll adapt to the situation of being an instructor, which is partially what I mean by character growthThe thing is that said threat, while being theoretically ever-present, isn't always going to sow up in every encounter - it's a much more chance-based bonus. We might get Sith today... or we might not. With Brianna we know with certainty that a guardian, if we deploy them, is always better than they would otherwise be, regardless of the situation. It's two different types of niche, certainly, but I think Brianna's is more broadly applicable and consequently more reliable.
On a new note that I hadn't even initially considered since I got my case for Brianna out as fast as possible in a panic - lightsaber instruction. The Battlemaster oversees that and sets curriculum (at least in the EU so Voik feel free to correct me if his won't be the case here). Atton can teach, yes, but he's not a disciplined teacher, he's an informal teacher. Brianna by contrast lived and breathed drills in her upbringing, and even taught Meetra in formal (to her people anyways) ways (and also some improper ways but so did Atton
It'll undercut my argument to see her get more of a bonus, but if you'd like sure. I'd also make the argument however that Atton has more to teach than just anti-Sith training; he possesses Echani training as well, his mind defenses are useful for the common soldier, and he has extensive training in psychological warfare that can't exactly be interpreted in game mechanics.
Don't fret too much - it happens. If only I could reveal the amount of tweaking me and Lauri do in JPQ to try and keep the votes decently balanced.
I'm unlikely to change it in the middle of the vote, because that would feel sort of unfair. More just for when/if you vote for a scoutmaster, I'll attempt to keep from repeating that mistake.
Makes sense. I have my eye on Visas for scoutmaster. I would say Mira, but Mira seems more suited for recruitment. Her shtick as a bounty hunter was always based non-lethally, and I think she's a shoo in to hunt/search for force sensitives. Meanwhile Visas was a Sith Assassin, and she manages to find Meetra without much trouble at all.
Scoutmaster is recruitment, as well as searching for enclaves (Depending on how you develop your infrastructure doctrine).
Did I get that backwards again? I know it got discussed, chances are I got things mixed up in my head.
Nah, it's basically a title I invented because they never actually gave a title for the person in charge of that, at all.
Perhaps, but a lot of his skills aren't purely fighting - he has security skills, investigative skills, piloting skills - he's a bit more of a master of none apart from his anti-Sith focus, so while he knows a bit of Echani and is pretty slick with blasters, he was trained to be a specialist so he'll be training a lot of specialists - and there's a reason specialists aren't usually the core main body. Brianna, again, has studied Revan as well as Yusanis; she is highly trained with an array of weapons, fighting forms and strategies and pretty much exclusively those things. Echani is her staple, but it's not the limit.
Real quick, I was trying to find reference to Brianna's extensive study of Revan as well as Yusanis, and I'm struggling to find the information. I'm assuming it comes from in game quotes that I just don't remember; can you by chance source me it?
That would probably be Caretaker of Knowledge I think.
I'll see if I can find a clip on ye olde youtube, but as I remember it, in the Telos academy when talking with her she says she's looked at Revan's actions and strategies in the war, mostly in the context of her analysing it with Echani "combat-is-saying-things" POV.
We're not looking for a master of instruction upon all aspects of study though - it's a master of battle, combat. Were it to set the curriculum for all initiates, then yes Atton would be one of the single best options, but we're after a master of battle specifically. And being better against Sith doesn't mean we'll do horribly if we don't have that specialty.
Not formally in the EU, though there have been characters who've served the function - but if Voik finds it worthwhile I'm sure one could be created.
Not really - that's more of an achival and education role.
Caretaker of Knowledge helps coordinate Jedi Shadows as they search for Sith artifacts, but they're not a spy-spy, no.
I asked the QM about that earlier and got this.
The first part was in regard to Scoutmasters; as I recall though, Jedi Shadow's were the equivalent to spymasters and covert ops. With them falling under the Caretaker of Knowledge, wouldn't that mean the role is under them?
Not... especially? Like, she's honourable within the duels, but we don't really see much to indicate all bets aren't off otherwise. And for that matter given the Handmaidens were training to fight potential Jedi is they went dark, I'd argue she most likely knows a fair few dirty tricks.
I'd also argue that if Brianna does, Atton knows far more. I often make the mistake of basing one's feat off their demeanor and it's easy to compare/mistake Echani for the honorbound types like Mandalorians, so I'll take back what I said about Brianna being an honorable fighter, since I can't find credible sources on the matter. I would still say that Atton, simply by virtue of how he was trained and his experiences, would be her better in such things.
