Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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"I was being serious," Meizhen added as she received her cup. "I… resolved such a conflict myself, not too long ago. You will be able to find your resolve and the Way forward, I am sure."

Ling Qi looked to her friend in surprise, but thinking about it… she had changed in recent months hadn't she? Grown more confident, more daring… friendlier, at least to a select few. "How about you, Lady Cai?" She asked cheerfully placing a cup in front of her liege. "Any advice on maintaining a perfect path?"
I don't know that I can comment on the main issue, but I found this interesting. Bai fear arts aren't really about fear, they're about presenting the face the Bai must present to the world. That they see that face as universally being one of terror is almost incidental to the art itself, a mere quirk of the creator's worldview. Meizhen meanwhile has been filling her aura up with the power of friendship via earth arts. Of course they're going to conflict.
 
That's not Truth; it's a comforting lie. It won't be only a single art.
This sums it up nicely, I think.

The further down the road, the more conceptual it becomes, and at some point, a divergence or crack you hadn't noticed becomes a death blow to your cultivation. See our stylish Elder: everyone was making plans around him getting to White as if it were a certain thing, and now he is a cripple, in as much as a Prism cultivator can be one.

What just dawned on me is, surely the Duchess must realize that it's impossible to exactly copy another cultivator? A Dao is, ultimately, utterly personal.

So, is Renxiang growing into her own something she accounted for, and molded her so the probable ways in which she'd grow are desirable, or is she actually trying to buckle the rule by making a real Mini-Me?
 
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Our spirits were being adorable, especially with the naked greed for pretty things that Hanyi displayed! We need more spirit tea parties, maybe get Cai's sword in it too one of these days.
 
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I feel like trying to tell a comforting lie to Cai Renxiang might lead us to develop internally another snarl, contradicting the insight of Argent Mirror and our "prioritize the wellbeing of your Family" insight (Meizhen mentioning AM in this update is likely a hint towards us keping it in mind as we ponder this choice).

I mean none of the votes presented are lies.

The first is encouraging it as something natural that will happen while the second is more confrontational and paints it as something that would of course happen.
 
I feel like the second shouldn't be a conflict. CRX was never meant to be a clone of her mother, and indeed she points out that she has ambitions for doing (some) things different than her mother - so of course she can't follow the same Way. Divergences are not merely inevitable, but necessary.
It's a conflict in the sense that a sudden realization that Grandma is kinda racist is, where it's something you never thought of about someone you know and care about that has far reaching implications that you don't really like. There's a reason Meizhen was suggesting Ling Qi was perhaps taking the tenets of the Argent Mirror a little too seriously, and it's not because taking an objective view of your self reflections is a super comfortable thing to do.

Interestingly, this is pretty much the exact reason people liked slotting Argent Mirror, because it was felt that honest self reflection meant we were more likely to catch cultivation issues early before they became intractable.
 
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Ok so moratorium's been over for like an hour?

[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.

I also kinda wanna ask these two how many cases there's been of the kid of a White becoming White themselves.
 
....Did Ling Qi cause a cultivation snarl on Meizhen by rejecting her heartfelt confession?
uh, Meizhen was having a snarl from that combined with her embrace of Earth. Both of which were re-orientations sparked by her interactions with us. The epilogue of Forge talked about Meizhen straightening out the snarl from that. If she's referencing that instead of, I duno, some snarl we didn't notice between then and now? Maybe about Fear.

CRX on the other hand is having a problem knowing that CRX believes she was made to cover her mother's blindspots but there's no confirmation of this and it doesn't seem like she recognizes that Shenhua could make mistakes. I fully believe that Shenhua is fallible and it's possible that CRX-as-blindspot-spotter isn't intended and was the result of Shenhua's mistake that harmed her child and the path the child was on. We know that the puppet coat is more than willing to override CRX's free will, but Shenhua also provided CRX with the saber that can slice that influence.

Shenhua's unique way that catapulted her to White might not be reproducible in her direct lineage, instead only usable by individuals that are close in spirit to her own. It's incredibly self-sincere and self-expressive, which means that if you (the individual) are not in-line with Shenhua's other views on Order and Justice you're just not going to be compatible. There is a risk here that the Way Correct path is a downgrade to our SL because we're a subordinate. A useful, but painful one and we'll never be able to give her the comforting lies and denial-of-self that would have saved her from her mother's early trauma.

The comforting route is keeping the SL for sure but it's not being what we *literally just said we would be* and that sucks. Because we don't have the social arts or skills to pull this off. We're going to remind Meizhen of how bullheaded and hurtful we can be and how shitty that is, and at worst she'll be right that we aren't close enough to CRX as her subordinate to be that hurtful and recover that relationship.

I duno. I would write in: Panic and Withdraw if I thought that would be any better, but it wouldn't be. Ugh.

[X]Offer Encouragement. It was only a single art, and everyone knew that a cultivator could not perfectly copy another. Like Ling Qi's own problem, it was only a bump in the path.

we've got no social arts, no Six bandage over that fact, and I would rather be snarled than hurt others being too incompetent to not hurt them. We can circle back to this when we have the social ability to communicate with our Traumatized Ducal Liege without hurting her badly in the process. Take the punishment for the sake of others, and throw out the old math cabal numbers. We need to do social arts (especially the safe expression of self kind) real bad. This feels a lot like the social comeuppance we deserve for not taking that aspect seriously at all.
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.

It feels more right to me. Encourage her to think and analyse instead of just pushing forward, not she, not even her mother are ideal after all. Moreover if it's Shenhua I'd expect her arts to be mono focused in their meaning, wich means that this would happen again in a future so long as RenRen has the same mindset. It definitely not a single road bump, not with mother like hers.
 
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[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
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[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
[X]Offer Encouragement. It was only a single art, and everyone knew that a cultivator could not perfectly copy another. Like Ling Qi's own problem, it was only a bump in the path.

Anyways I'm leery of pushing again after doing so earlier and getting away with it, while also getting what we wanted.

The thing with her sister, losing control of her body to Liming, the issue of the art and all the other factors while also being on a public setting (which it is, last time only Sixiang was present and barely at that) makes me think encouragement is decent for now
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.

i expect this is going to not go well based on out lack of social skills. However trying to copy anyone is limiting. Cultivation is inherently about defining 'You' to the point the world accepts it a fact. We just had an argument about ignoring the truth.
 
[x] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.

In the end, I'm more comfortable advocating self-reflection than I am trying to assuage our boss's growing concerns with what amount to platitudes
 
[X]Offer Encouragement. It was only a single art, and everyone knew that a cultivator could not perfectly copy another. Like Ling Qi's own problem, it was only a bump in the path.

No idea what's objectively better. So just picking the safer option.
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
y'all are callous as hell. We can bring this up again with her in like, a month when we have PMR? Or when we get MSS in two months? The only people that care about time limit are Shenhua and the math cabal.

Seriously. Meizhen *just* warned us, we've been warned about Social Arts for a long time, we've just gotten lucky with our brazen disrespect and Meizhen told us it was lucky. Like. Can we just wait a month before we try and bring it up? CRX might find it on her own, do we give a damn about how she feels or are we more concerned with "doing the right thing (for us, and her. She'll see. We know what's right)" or do we actually feel like "one person's feelings, alone, do not make a family".

Our SL 4 just told us we're pretty hurtful and incompetent with social, and were lucky to get away with what we did. She warned us that not everyone would recover from the way we selfishly trample on people's feelings just so that our personal conscious is unburdened. Remember when Meizhen was demoted from SL 4 to SL 3 after we fucked up our rejection?

Take the hit for the month or two thread. I don't think we'll recover the SL with CRX in a similar way to Cui being pretty permanently low-SL with us. Trampling her vulnerable feelings with our honesty is a retraumatizing of what her mother did to her. It's real wrong chat. Come on.
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
 
[X]Offer Encouragement. It was only a single art, and everyone knew that a cultivator could not perfectly copy another. Like Ling Qi's own problem, it was only a bump in the path.
 
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